WhipTheHip
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The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is my favorite poem.
And those her ribs through which the Sun
Did peer, as through a grate?
And is that Woman all her crew?
Is that a DEATH? and are there two?
Is DEATH that woman's mate?
Her lips were red, her looks were free,
Her locks were yellow as gold :
Her skin was white as leprosy,
The Night-mare LIFE-IN-DEATH was she,
Who thicks man's blood with cold.
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
While I don't deny that your scenario is true- miscommunication is rampant in
the scene and subs often find that their rosy ideal of pain is actually viciously
off the mark.
That is why I insist on having everything to be done put down in writing,
and talk it over so their can be no misunderstanding. It is natural for subs
or bottoms to be willing accept any level of pain without actually knowing
what they are accepting that is why I believe intensity should slowly
build incrementally from session to session. If you start out at full
volume, there is no place to go, aside from the fact that you will never
see that sub or bottom again. I don't know how I would have started
out had I not heard so many subs relate horror stories about bad
scenes.
> The error here IMO is the dom not having the foresight to realize that
> when you take someone from the "fun pain" place you've enjoyed into
> the "OK that's REALLY painful" place, that you're likely to get different
> reactions.
Hence, the need to go very slowly and ratchet things up slowly from
session to session. I dislike playing with safe words, and have never
had a complaint. I know most subs don't play without a safe word,
and I, of course, respect their wishes.
> For me, I simply accept it as part of my service- scenes aren't all
> about getting me flying or in subspace or making me smile.
I've read enough of your posts to know that you are my ideal kind
of sub, and to know that I am probably someone you would least
like to play with.
> Sometimes a scene is just another service- they want to hurt
> me and my body is available to be hurt. I don't like pain, I don't
> like being hurt.
I remember you saying this. I think as a sub you are
exceptional. I would love to have a sub like you, but realize
most subs are just willing to accept pleasurable pain.
And I am not going to pressure someone into accepting
something they don't really want.
I can't be a sub, but I can be a bottom. I always fantasized
having a bottom like you, whipping the shit out of you, then
when you are pissed and angry letting you whip the shit of
out me. I always feel guilty for getting enjoyment from
floggging females.
Some part of me feels it is only fair to allow the tables
to be turned. I have a very keen sense of justice and
fair play. So, though I don't like pain and have little
tolerance for it, I feel I deserve to get what I enjoy
dishing out.
> Afterwards, I am crying and pissed and vulnerable
> and just darn mad that the person who caused so
> much pain
This is the only type of female I would reverse roles
with. I have zero interest in FemDoms. The thing
is I know most females like you can't bring themselves
to physically hurt anyone, and can't direct this anger
outward. They fear what they would do. And they fear
what kind of person it would make them. Finally, they
fear directing their anger outward, because for so long
they could only direct their anger inward.
> And usually they force me to their side and let me
> calm down after awhile and the pain fades and I'm glad
I thank you for telling me this, because when I am pushed
away, I fear trying to get close to the person who is
angry, because I know they don't want me near them,
and I don't want to pressure them to accept something
they don't really want.
> I served them as well as I did and let them get their
> sadistic fun.
I don't think they make many females like you.
> In the past when I would scene with a guy who used
> the "I can make you enjoy the pain" line on me, it
> was fun watching his surprise at my honest and very
> stark reactions.
The thing is I can make a lot of females enjoy a
certain kind of erotic pain. When I am doing them
I am imagining I am causing them real pain, and
I like them to pretend I am causing them real pain.
But I would love to have a female that consented
to being raped and enduring real pain.
On the flip side, I wonder if there are any bottoms
who fantasize getting revenge and turning the tables
on a top who whipped them raw. I think one real
scene as a bottom would cure me of this fantasy
for life. But I always wanted to give one female a
chance at revenge for using her body for my sadistic
fun, and for using her body as a sex toy. I really
feel a lot of guilt for my sexual cravings.
Or I fantasize about playing the role of someone
who traumatized a female sometime in her past,
and allowing her to exact revenge on that person,
by doing to me what she would want to do him.
I am not dangerous because I am not controlled
by my sexual cravings. Since I was a little kid, I
have almost always followed a rather strict moral
code, and acted in a most principled fashion. I
have a lot of integrity, and a buring desire to do
what is right, and to be compassionate. I have
yet to meet a human who is as committed
as I am to caring for others and comforting others.
This is not to say they don't exist. It is just I
have never met one, and I have looked hard.
If I found one other person like myself, there
is a very good chance the two of us would
have a major impact on humanity. Perhaps
this is an overblown statement, but I don't
think so. And I have a lot of respect for the law.
On the other hand, I realize there is part of me
that is not very different from the kind of person
most females fear and hate. I think to myself,
if I was female, especially a female who had
been hurt, I would want to make someone like
me feel a lot of pain. If I was a female, it
would feel good to be able to take that anger
out. So, part of me is drawn to this scenerio,
and part of me fears it for good reason.
> If a dom wants to be a sadist, he needs to
> understand what he's asking for.
Yes, but I am a sadist who wants to be a
Dom, but a sadist with a lot of guilt.
I always thought a revenge movie should
be made for females who had been hurt.
Havng talked to many of them, I know
what they would like to see.
According to Paul MacLean people have
three brains an archipallium, a paleomammalian
brain, and a neopallium.
--Michael
In the movie "The Shadow," in a previous life, the Shadow had been a mass-murderer.
In the television series, Xena had once been a mass murderer. In many television
shows and movies, people often split into an evil one and a good one. Then you have
Dr. Jeckell and Mr. Hyde. I think the general idea is people have good side and
an evil side. And often the strength of the good side is matched to the strength of
the evil side. I once knew a PhD code breaker. He said, people like you either
become famous for doing good, or famous for doing bad. As a child I was given
excpetional love, and exceptional moral teaching. Were this not the case, I could
very easily have become almost any kind of criminal. And very, very easily become
a sexual offender. For this reason, and others, I have a great deal of understanding
for all human beings. There is no greatness in being a natural ascetic. Without
temptation people are just who they are. You don't have to be moral, if you don't
crave anything immoral. The most moral humans are those who crave things
that are immoral, but conquer their evil desires and exercise self-discipline.
< Message edited by WhipTheHip -- 8/15/2006 11:48:54 AM >
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