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Moleculor -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/29/2004 3:58:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sfgrrl quote: ORIGINAL: Moleculor I happen to know from first hand experience that AOL is not and does not help in any way. I had a nice list of 30-40 harrassing messages and comments sent to me, complete with time, date, and IP address, sent them to AOL, and was told flat out that they would do nothing. I don't suppose that you were responding in kind to those harassing messages, were you? Based on your posts here, you don't appear to be the kind of person that would ignore such "attention". I would be surprised if you weren't giving as good as you got. With that in mind, I'm hardly surprised that AOL wouldn't help you. They generally don't get involved in pissing matches between end users (nor should they) unless the law is being broken. My only response for a year straight was ban and delete. In the past three years, I think I've responded to him MAYBE once, but only after banning the IP he was posting from again. Unfortunately, his IPs are both dynamic and he apparently uses various internet access points, so I've got somewhere around 3k IPs banned. quote: Now, if your ISP contacted them on your behalf after determining it was not such a pissing match, the outcome might have been different. My ISP? What would my ISP have to do with an AOL user?

BeachMystress -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/29/2004 4:31:14 PM)
Remember, there are all types of people in this world. A lot of them feel free to behave badly online because they think they are "anonymous." The might of cowards... sighs Unless you have some reason to believe that this person truly has access to personal information about you, do not worry. If you do believe they may pose a credible threat, contacting the authorities in both your town and theirs may be a good idea. Print out copies of the complete email, including headers and be willing to fax it to the authorities. Now if the only contact was through collarme, I find it very unlikely that the person could pose a true threat. In that case, forward all contacts with this person to the Mods and let them deal with it. I'm not going to tell you to just ignore it. I spent several years with a stalker who started online. He showed up at my doorstep twice, the second time needing the police to remove him, Luckily, my local police force is a little to the right of Attila the Hun and he moved his harassment back to online rather than deal with them again. I finally figured out how to dissuade him and have been stalker free for 9 months. Yeay! Take appropriate action, but don't get overly alarmed about it yet. Threats are easy. Most people are too lazy to back them up.

stef -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/29/2004 4:31:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moleculor My only response for a year straight was ban and delete. In the past three years, I think I've responded to him MAYBE once, but only after banning the IP he was posting from again. Unfortunately, his IPs are both dynamic and he apparently uses various internet access points, so I've got somewhere around 3k IPs banned. Someone has been harassing you for THREE YEARS and you weren't doing anything to antagonize him? Why is my bullshit detector making that deafening clanging noise? quote: My ISP? What would my ISP have to do with an AOL user? sigh When a user of ISP "X" is being harassed/threatened/whatever by a user of ISP "Z", it is in the best interests of ISP "X" to intervene on behalf of their user and if the complaints are valid, they almost always will (unless your ISP sucks). When ISP "X" contacts ISP "Z" and informs them one of their customers is doing bad things and supplies corresponding corroborating information, it carries A LOT more weight than complaints coming from an end user and the probability of any action being taken against the user of ISP "Z", is considerably greater. ~stef

sub4hire -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/29/2004 5:01:23 PM)
quote: When a user of ISP "X" is being harassed/threatened/whatever by a user of ISP "Z", it is in the best interests of ISP "X" to intervene on behalf of their user and if the complaints are valid, they almost always will (unless your ISP sucks). When ISP "X" contacts ISP "Z" and informs them one of their customers is doing bad things and supplies corresponding corroborating information, it carries A LOT more weight than complaints coming from an end user and the probability of any action being taken against the user of ISP "Z", is considerably greater. True, about ten years ago I got a virus. Someone hacked my account and sent out a crapload of bulk e-mails. I was blocked from sending e-mail to MANY different places. All because I spammed them. So, assuming I had actually been threatening someone. I can only imagine the ramifications of such an offense. AOL keeps your records of the entire time you are a member. Every e-mail. Every IM....every piece of any type of correspondance you've ever done. It could easily be investigated if need be. The only thing I believe they may not keep are photos. Although I may be mistaken.

cynnacent1 -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/29/2004 5:19:55 PM)
The last person who threatened me online had his domain pulled ( i had saved emails with full headers intact that listed his domain as the source/sender ), and privilege of services provided through his ISP ( i had saved emails with full headers intact that listed his ISP email account as the source/sender ), revoked. Game over. That was just my initial warning to him, which led him to take me a bit more seriously. That was all it took. [;)] ¸,ø¤º°cynnacent°º¤ø,¸ (proudly owned by, and devoted to INSIDEYOURMIND)

XXXPlayfulXXX -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/29/2004 8:31:31 PM)
The threat was credible, I contacted the Washington State Police yesterday with the direction of a friend who knew who to contact for "sex" crimes. Using the picture on the net, she was able to identify the person who threatened her, and it was real, she had received email from him in a private box, not related to this site in any way. The authorities are now handling it. I am not spending any more time on the matter, but thank those of you who posted constructive suggestions. For those who questioned the reason for posting, part of it was to get an idea for how widespread the problem was, part of it was to provide a quiet warming for others who had been contacted by the same "dom" and at least to date the mods have not responded to J's request for support (as of a few hours ago, shes a bit tied up at the moment). For those who responded and said "what threat" the original email from the "dom" from washington was not posted and the emails sent to her personal address were not posted, way too graphic for this site, this is more of a "family community", the statements were more of a sadistic disgusting nature. I also ask that you spend a moment and consider doing what you can to help the people in south asia this morning, my firms are donating time to the international red cross and unicef in addition to helping raise emergency donation on their behalfs. If anyone reading this can get their employers to make corporate donations, or they want to do something contact those organizations. Again thank you for your responses

Moleculor -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 6:20:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sfgrrl quote: ORIGINAL: Moleculor My only response for a year straight was ban and delete. In the past three years, I think I've responded to him MAYBE once, but only after banning the IP he was posting from again. Unfortunately, his IPs are both dynamic and he apparently uses various internet access points, so I've got somewhere around 3k IPs banned. Someone has been harassing you for THREE YEARS and you weren't doing anything to antagonize him? Why is my bullshit detector making that deafening clanging noise? I don't know. Maybe it's broken? Thing is, I'm fairly certain that I DO know the guy from some other site, the problem is that the method through which he's harrassing me is quite anonymous. I could shut it down entirely, but that would be letting him win. I just keep banning IP addresses. The problem used to be a daily thing, now it's monthly. shrug I'm very patient. quote: quote: My ISP? What would my ISP have to do with an AOL user? sigh When a user of ISP "X" is being harassed/threatened/whatever by a user of ISP "Z", it is in the best interests of ISP "X" to intervene on behalf of their user and if the complaints are valid, they almost always will (unless your ISP sucks). When ISP "X" contacts ISP "Z" and informs them one of their customers is doing bad things and supplies corresponding corroborating information, it carries A LOT more weight than complaints coming from an end user and the probability of any action being taken against the user of ISP "Z", is considerably greater. Wish I'd known that three years ago. Oh well. shrug

RealityFix -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 7:01:58 AM)
People seem to think they can play games ,and not get caught on the net. Unfortunately for them,this is a machine network, and records do get kept-even if you try to hide your origionating addy and bounce mail through other servers. End users don't have a lot of power to prevent or track this,but as had been mentioned,isps and police networks do. Even the best hackers and virus writers get caught,and spammers too. It's better to just get those who DO have tools available to track and punish harassment, involved as soon as there is a credible threat- there isn't an isp I know of (outside of "spam mills" hosts) that doesn't have an abuse reporting address. All you have to do is contact support, and they will forward conmplaints to that department. Cyber harassment DOES carry legal penalties,so take heart-this net is FAR from anonymous to professionals. Harassers can try to cover thier tracks,but any decent sniffer program is going to trace them to a billing name and address for thier main isp,and then it's all over for the harasser but the crying, when the cops come knocking. Prison has really poor net access. I've even seen assholes be tracked down, and thier names and ACTUAL home addresses posted on the net, so thier victims could take action against them-at which time,the tables turned. What goes around,comes around.

slvtoplayfulman -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 9:11:34 PM)
well 4 days later not even a response from support, but I spent 3 hours today with a federall investigator. I am sure the xxx man from Washington knows already but this was not the first complaint. The worst part of all of this is that the police think this man represents the whole d's community because this is all they ever hear of, the bad stuff, the bad people. They were very respectful in the conversation and I was amazed how they could track where emails came from, not only from my email but on hosted systems too, it was pretty interesting. what is also amazing is that I am still getting emails from girls who xxx has convinced that he is a master all over the country, mind control he must have down, or these girls really have no brains of their own. Just a little common sense would lead them to ask questions of the general community, maybe get references or something. well starting tommorow I will be volunteering at the red cross office near my sister's home and away from Boston. Oh and for those reading who have sent my man notes about him not being a good master because he cant control me, you should all look in the mirror. My man trained me to use my mind, use my common sense, he sent me to college, and most of all no matter what he protects me, whether I am with him fulltime or not, you could all learn something from him, he is and always has been a gentleman and whether or not he and I stay together or I decide that I have to live someplace else in order to keep growing, I know he will always be there for me. Well I am may not be on again to post for awhile, so by all, and for those nice people, thank you for your notes.

bottominwa -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 9:38:34 PM)
This girl has watched this thread develop she was also harrassed by someone and threatened via the collar me system...the person in question threatened to out Master to the DOD as sexual deviant since We make no attempt to hide We were affiliated with the Army....then he made some reference to a girl needing to lock her doors because there are many middle eastern militants in the Washington area. So she handled this like she has been taught to handle any attacker. Do not show weakness...perceived weakness usually is like blood to a wolf's nose. she wrote a harsh email back then contacted the collar me moderators. she never heard back from the moderators but said "dom" stopped emailing her, so either her own defensive posture or the Mods took care of it... it happens..but you can't live your life in fear. Predators smell fear... sabrina King House of King

GoddessJules -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 9:46:29 PM)
But I guess what inquiring minds want to know. . .is why do some people (Like you, Gloria, and Perverse) when harrassed don't create a drama filled thread about it and then there are others (who shall remain nameless) that do? And THEN it isn't the person who got harrassed that posts the thread. . .but someone who is a former someone to someone else that posts on their behalf. . .kinda hard to take it seriously, eh? J

sub4hire -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 9:51:19 PM)
quote: But I guess what inquiring minds want to know. . .is why do some people (Like you, Gloria, and Perverse) when harrassed don't create a drama filled thread about it and then there are others (who shall remain nameless) that do? You answered the question with your question. You don't start drama because we don't seek the attention. Or crave it the way some do. Same reason. Say I was feeling depressed. Am I going to come onto the boards and infect everyone here to get them to feel sorry for me? Or am I going to handle it myself? Some people just crave attention and want to be in the spotlight. Other's do not. If you notice everytime there is a popularity contest here. I do not participate. Doesn't mean I don't respect other's opinions. I just don't need the attention. Hopefully that make's sense.

GoddessJules -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 9:58:53 PM)
quote: Hopefully that make's sense. Makes sense. . .but you know. . .I think there is something more to it than just creating drama (I think the drama is just a by-product) I think there there is some flawed logic working its magic in their head and they think they are 1) helping people out or 2) think they they have a handle on some internet knowledge we don't have so they are being gracious enough to share it. J

sub4hire -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 10:16:26 PM)
Well I guess there is a day everyday that someone new finds the internet. It has been so long ago for me. I cannot even remember back that far. If we were new, then it would help us. Perhaps open our eyes to predators out there. Or, perhaps they are new? Never knew there were stalkers and think they are sharing something new with us? It would be great if there were a way to create a net bible so to speak. Something you could read before ever signing on that first time. Brief you about virus's, predators and spam amoung other things. Oh yeah, we can't forget identity theft. Although the reason why I don't cry out is because I have no need to. I don't need sympathy from anyone. After all I am my doms sub. He cherishs the fact I am strong and can handle myself.

bottominwa -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/30/2004 10:24:35 PM)
The reason why this girl didn't start some thread on being stalked or threatened was that she has been taught when being pursued by a predator do not show weakness. Coming onto the boards and flailing about that one was just threatened shows weakness, it in many ways gives the attacker exactly what they are looking for...reaction. Reactionary tactics never work. Also coming on here could solve nothing anyhow what could any of You do at the computer that could stop the hacker the Mods could not do without this girl drawing attention to one's self while being attacked. If you draw attention to yourself when you're being attacked...the predators swarm around you, they come from every direction in a girl's experience. Anyhooha one as a female, and she will go out on a limb to say an attractive female lol...goes nowhere without the possibility of being attacked...and if she came on collar me everyday saying "some guy looked at me nasty" sooner than later no one would listen to her...so she'll save her breath for a real attack..no wolf crying here. sabrina King House of King

ModeratorThree -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/31/2004 4:11:39 AM)
Since the matter was brought to the public board, I will address it here as well. The matter was looked into, and there was no "threating" email through the CollarMe system, at least on the part of the supposed perp. CollarMe takes abuse seriously, and does investigate complaints. I wanted to make that very clear here. Most of the long time members are aware of that already, I am just clairifying. It is annoying to hear others cry wolf then try to gain sympathies from the community as if the Mods/Admin here do nothing. We do investigate, if there is cause for action it is taken, there was none in this case against the supposed guilty party. Mod3

INSIDEYOURMIND -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/31/2004 4:15:19 AM)
Well said Mod Three. Again, this is just another example of a recent trend in threads where people are looking for sympathy. I feel threatened, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

perverseangelic -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (12/31/2004 11:38:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sub4hire You answered the question with your question. You don't start drama because we don't seek the attention. Or crave it the way some do. Same reason. Say I was feeling depressed. Am I going to come onto the boards and infect everyone here to get them to feel sorry for me? Or am I going to handle it myself? Some people just crave attention and want to be in the spotlight. Other's do not. \ Oh heck, I love being in the spotlight. I love attention. I like people paying attention to me. ....But I'd prefer getting positive attention for good things. I'd rather have one person bring up my name as someone who took care of herself than the entire board get dragged into a discussion because I portrayed myself as unable to handle my own affairs. Yup, I'll admit I'm an attention whore, but I already had enough negative attention to last a lifetime. Also, a second to what bottominwa said, and another round of applause to the Mods.

MasterTiny -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (1/2/2005 9:17:46 AM)
as the party accused of making the threatening emails i am impressed with the responses here. the advice given to her was good indeed. i was contacted by the moderators and they even told me they found no evidence that i was abusive to her in any way. if this person wishes to persue legal action, i welcome it as i have kept the email i originally sent to slvtoplayfulman, the response she sent me and both emails i sent to xxxplayfulxxx... so i have the proof of who has been abusive and the proof that i was not only polite but very corgial in all three emails i sent. i have pasted my original email to her and her reply below. i will not further silly attempt at mud slinging any further but i do have the right to defend myself so if any of you are interested feel free to keep reading and see for yourselves who the abusive one is. "she" originally emailed someone under my care and told her it was important she reply. that sub has recently had a bad parting from her previous matter and as such she wishes all emails to be sent to me and if their appropriate (i.e. not from him) i will forward them to her. this is the email i sent to slvtoplayfulman in response to her emailing my charge: ----------- lil one, a lil lady who is currently under my care tells me you have msged her. i believe her profile clearly states that she wishes you to contact me first before contacting her directly. if you wish further coorespondance with her you're welcome to do it through me but i do have to ask you not to bother her directly anymore. if what you have to say to her is appropriate i will certainly pass it along to her. now, there are a lot of doms here pissed at me because i won't let their abusive asses near my girls. if you're acting on behalf of one of them or are one of them with a fake profile (it happens often) please don't waste your time. nighttree knows me and my pet personally... in any case, if you wish please feel free to contact me. so long as your not playin some silly game i'll pass it along to her. blessed be lil one and my regards to your master, Master Tiny ----------------- real abusive eh? well you all tell me... was i threatening in anyway? this one is what i received back from her. afterwhich she blocked me so i couldn't have sent her any threats if i had wanted to. ----------------- If you ever threaten me again, my master will show up in Pasco Washington, buy the company you work for and fire you, then he will take your home, your car and everything else you hold dear. If your girl had any sense she would have replied to me because I wanted to ask her a question but she is too dumb and you are a jackass. --------------------------- wow, and i'm the abusive, threatening one? as you can all see she was not only threatening but insulting as well. whatya think? was this a justified response to what i sent her? after that i sent two emails to her "master" showing him both these emails... which he deleted without bothering to read them... (if anyone is truely interested i can show those as well)... since then i got another email from yet a third party threatening legal action. hhhhmmm... like i said, if anyone thinks they have grounds for legal action i welcome them to try. i'm more than happy to show a judge the emails which are still sitting in my inbox. all i need do is request to have internet access in the court room, log on to the site, bring up my email and let the judge read the mail for himself which will clearly show, beyond a doubt who sent what emails and the contents thereof. also, just so everyone is aware, except for the one email my charge did send to her, all other emails sent to either of them are from people who i have no control over. i can not tell anyone what to do that isn't under my care... they'll have to prosecute them separately. <smirk> to all of you who responded to her with your advice to seek help from the moderators and the police... kudos... good advice. to the site admin... thank you for checking it out thoroughly and determining the proper course of action. and to anyone who wishes to seek legal action against me... you aren't the first to try, you won't be the last... my guess is you're bluffing but if not please feel free to do so... i'm waiting. a few final thoughts... how exactly did i get this person's private email address like "she" told the site admin? perhaps if we had been involved in some way but did since she freely admits my first email to her was threatening and abusive did she just then freely give me her private email address? isn't it odd how everyone to email me with their threats and abuse over this ridiculous drivel had blocked me so i couldn't respond to them? and isn't it also a bit strange that this person that i supposedly threatened no longer has a profile here? ok, i'm done wasting everyone's time... i don't expect anyone to waste their time further to respond to this but i did feel i deserved the right to defend myself. have a wonderful day everyone and blessed be, Tiny

bottominwa -> RE: What do you do When Threatened on this System? (1/2/2005 9:48:19 AM)
This girl just wants to make sure E/everyone know sit was not Master Tiny whom she was referring to who has threatening her house. Master Tiny is always kind and courteous ot new girls on collar me. Just wanted to clarify...this girl didn't name names because quite frankly she forgot the name lmao...something like MasterDom or somethign real cool like that ....lmao sabrina King House of King

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