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Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 9:43:16 AM   
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Imagine if instead of impeaching a president faced with the growing Muslim threat, Al Queda, Osama, and the twin nuclear threats of Iran and North Korea, the Republican's hadn't distracted him over a now clearly meaningless and inconsequential issue.

So instead of screaming "wag the dog" every time Clinton tried to deal with any of these issues they had instead done what the demand of liberals, we stand by rather than act treasonous (your words, not mine).

Of course the Republicans never see very far into the future.  Imagine if they had supported Roosevelt before WII, we would have had a stronger military but all they wanted to do was gut the military.  Which by the way Cheney was the biggest cheerleader of and did far more damage than you imagine Clinton doing but casting facts before Republicans is, well you know.

So thanks Republicans for once again screwing over America with your pettyness and shortsightedness. 
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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 10:22:40 AM   
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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 10:52:34 AM   
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Democrats and republicans are indeed the same regime, and it is we who need the regime change the worst. Iran and N Korea have no plans to attack the US, and IMO they have as much right as Israel to have nukes.

I think it is very unfunny that the only country in the world that has ever used nuclear weapons is the one trying to dictate which countries may have nuclear weapons and which may not.

If you stop thinking right and left, and start thinking us and them, you see a much bigger, and uglier picture. There is a class of people on this Earth who are so super rich they could buy and sell Bill Gates with their mad money, not even scratch their fortunes. People are largely unaware of this. People refer to Bill Gates as the "richest Man in the world" but he is far from it. If Gates is still a US citien he is probably the richest in that category, but in some parts of the world, people have servants making more than him.

I have heard people say that the national debt is money the government owes to itself, that is utter bullshit. It is owed to foreign interests. Now just think where it came from. Bill gates would go broke in a few weeks supporting this shit.

These super rich folk buy and sell politicians all over the world with ease. When you see bombs falling, they fall on people who could not be bought. It really is that simple.

When the right or left, or Dems or Reps are elected there is a minor change in the distribution of the wealth they steal from us, but the theft goes on and on just the same. This is how they survive.

One good thing about all this, they are eventually going to take it all, and when that finally happens it will be they who have nothing. We might go back to dealing in salt or barter, they don't have any skills or any real merit of any kind. That's when the tables are turned. Until they can't pay their goons enough, all we can do is sit by and wait.

They have all been bought and paid for. If you don't believe that, I will come back with a few questions you can ask yourself and you might see the big picture. They are all scum.

You know what's really going to happen ? We are going to die having lived all our lives under the yoke of these motherfuckers. Our country has been gone for about a century now. The ideals of the founding fathers are gone. Welcome to the land of the fee and the home of the slave.

And if you want to say 'love it or leave it' screw that, get over here and help change it for the better. Leaving it is what the European immigrants did and it didn't do a bit of good, plus the fact that there is no longer anywhere to go. This is our final stand. there is no retreat. If We The People cannot effect a change in the US, it ain't happening.

In effect, the real difference between right and left is whether you push the turn signal switch up or down.

T

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 11:45:41 AM   
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That rant is publishable Terry!

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 7:40:26 PM   
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That's t-e-r-m-y. Thank you for the compliment. At least that's how I see it. My eyes are not the best, so I must focus, so when I first looked at your reply I thought it said 'punishable'. LOL. It probably is in some states.

I'll ask one of those questions now, to all.

If I have never had a car accident, why should I have to pay for insurance ?

This is a two pronged question,

If I do not go to doctors, why do I (or someone on my behalf) have to pay for medical insurance ?

When car insurance was not mandatory many drove without it. That means if you cause a wreck YOU must pay for it or lose your license. That means when you get stopped for speeding it is not $100, it is almost ten times that. In that way they forced you to pay. Actually I don't really have a problem with it.

Before medical insurance was almost universal, one had some personal responsibility for their health. They ate their meat before their pudding at the very least. They knew if they got into a fight and had to get all stitched up there would be a bill coming in the mail.

This was personal responsibility for one's own actions. It is not only gone, it seems as if they are trying to make it illegal. Why would someone do that ?

Now the answer:

Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand, when they take away a responsibility they are really taking away a right. I have a right to drive, and a responsibility not to do it when drunk. I have the right to have a gun, but the responsibility to not use it unnecessarily. I also have the responsibility to keep it from accidentally falling into the wrong hands, same with a car. They give tickets to people who leave their cars running anattended in store parking lots. I am all for that. Stoopid ass, what if a 14 year old punk comes along, takes it for a joyride and kills a bunch of people ?

And people do this just to keep the rap music going ! And they can't even hear it in the store. I'll tell you folks this, I am pret near a sociopath, and I SERIOUSLY considered stealing this guy's car. Not to damage it, I would park it about ten blocks away, then lock it up. He can have it back, I don't want it, but I really wanted to teach him a lesson. The only reason he left it running was to inundate the parking lot with his music.

I dogged him as he got into the car. I was waiting for him to say some ghetto shit like "What you lookin at ?", and if he did, I had the answer.

"Somebody stoopid enough to leave there shit vulnerable to be able to play music they can't hear in the store anyway".

I know people who have gone out to the parking lot with a baseball bat and destroyed people's car stereos as they played. I wouldn't do that, but I have my moments when I get proactive. Ask any of my friends, most of whom are almost as craxy as I am.

Responsibilities come with rights, any form of insurance, in the purest form it was meant to help in times of a disaster or something, but it has the side effect of removing certain types of responsibility. This is the trap, a trap most of us have fallen into.

It matters not what the law says, fact is still fact. What it boils down to is that any form of insurance actually transfers a certain part of the responsibility for your actions to another. With this is a commensurate portion of your rights.

The worst abuse of this doctrine is apparent in the family courts. Parents are prohibited from spanking children, mostly, yet are to be held responsible for their actions. What a crock. If your kid fucks up my kid's jet ski I expect a check. I don't care if it comes from your pocket or you claim in on insurance, but if the kid did it out of recklessness or spite, in other words NOT INNOCENT I will surely have other comments.

Ever wonder why there are fewer slander cases being brought these days ? The defendernts would keep winning !

T

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 7:52:43 PM   
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Im sorry Termy...oops

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 7:53:07 PM   
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If you can't tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans, you aren't paying attention.

Yes the rich get their way, yes the little guy gets fucked, but it wasn't liberals who not only invaded the wrong country but emptied the treasury doing it all while encouraging borrowing on an unprecedented level and dropping taxes on the rich and letting the middle class pick up the tab.

Jimmy Carter put in place a program to achieve energy independence, Raygun and the Republicans dismantled it.

Democrats aren't saints but they are far closer to it than most Republicans will ever get.

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 10:00:54 PM   
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quote:

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That's t-e-r-m-y. Thank you for the compliment. At least that's how I see it. My eyes are not the best, so I must focus, so when I first looked at your reply I thought it said 'punishable'. LOL. It probably is in some states.

I'll ask one of those questions now, to all.

If I have never had a car accident, why should I have to pay for insurance ?

This is a two pronged question,

If I do not go to doctors, why do I (or someone on my behalf) have to pay for medical insurance ?

When car insurance was not mandatory many drove without it. That means if you cause a wreck YOU must pay for it or lose your license. That means when you get stopped for speeding it is not $100, it is almost ten times that. In that way they forced you to pay. Actually I don't really have a problem with it.

Before medical insurance was almost universal, one had some personal responsibility for their health. They ate their meat before their pudding at the very least. They knew if they got into a fight and had to get all stitched up there would be a bill coming in the mail.

This was personal responsibility for one's own actions. It is not only gone, it seems as if they are trying to make it illegal. Why would someone do that ?

Now the answer:

Rights and responsibilities go hand in hand, when they take away a responsibility they are really taking away a right. I have a right to drive, and a responsibility not to do it when drunk. I have the right to have a gun, but the responsibility to not use it unnecessarily. I also have the responsibility to keep it from accidentally falling into the wrong hands, same with a car. They give tickets to people who leave their cars running anattended in store parking lots. I am all for that. Stoopid ass, what if a 14 year old punk comes along, takes it for a joyride and kills a bunch of people ?

And people do this just to keep the rap music going ! And they can't even hear it in the store. I'll tell you folks this, I am pret near a sociopath, and I SERIOUSLY considered stealing this guy's car. Not to damage it, I would park it about ten blocks away, then lock it up. He can have it back, I don't want it, but I really wanted to teach him a lesson. The only reason he left it running was to inundate the parking lot with his music.

I dogged him as he got into the car. I was waiting for him to say some ghetto shit like "What you lookin at ?", and if he did, I had the answer.

"Somebody stoopid enough to leave there shit vulnerable to be able to play music they can't hear in the store anyway".

I know people who have gone out to the parking lot with a baseball bat and destroyed people's car stereos as they played. I wouldn't do that, but I have my moments when I get proactive. Ask any of my friends, most of whom are almost as craxy as I am.

Responsibilities come with rights, any form of insurance, in the purest form it was meant to help in times of a disaster or something, but it has the side effect of removing certain types of responsibility. This is the trap, a trap most of us have fallen into.

It matters not what the law says, fact is still fact. What it boils down to is that any form of insurance actually transfers a certain part of the responsibility for your actions to another. With this is a commensurate portion of your rights.

The worst abuse of this doctrine is apparent in the family courts. Parents are prohibited from spanking children, mostly, yet are to be held responsible for their actions. What a crock. If your kid fucks up my kid's jet ski I expect a check. I don't care if it comes from your pocket or you claim in on insurance, but if the kid did it out of recklessness or spite, in other words NOT INNOCENT I will surely have other comments.

Ever wonder why there are fewer slander cases being brought these days ? The defendernts would keep winning !

T


Your post went so many directions that seem so disconnected, that I don't see what your point even is....


If you are driving, and choose to have no insurance... and you hit me (your fault) while you are flat broke.... why should I have to pay for your damage.  What if you injure me beyond recognition?  I pay for that too?   Sure, it maybe your responsibility, but the laws protect me from your possibly not having a handy $50,000 to pay for the bodily damage you caused me.    You have a choice.... you don't have to have auto insurance- just don't drive.

Medical insurance isn't only to take care of you after you intentionally damage your body, but also to allow for tests and screenings, check-ups, etc.  to help prevent people from becoming ill.   Some illnesses, including cancer can attack any one of us... regardless of how well you take care of yourself. 

Personal responsibility can exist in having the insurance to back you up when you need it, as well as preventing you from having to use it.  Insurance has nothing to do with accountability.  You think people actually think 'hey I will have no regard for my health at all, because I have insurance to pay my medical bills in case I have a massive heart attack'?

If I knew a bunch of people who were quick to take a baseball bat to someone else's vehicle or the belongings in it for playing loud music, I would associate myself with different people.  I guess that's my personal responsibility. 

Weren't you declaring war to not have your right to smoke in public places taken away? Yet you think it's fine  to seriously consider stealing a car, or for others to destroy personal property because someone plays a car stereo too loud? 

You have the right to have a gun, and to not use it unnecessarily... but the scary thing is...  that someone who isn't using a baseball bat rationally will pull out a gun and use it irrationally also. 

What does spanking have to do with accountability?  First of all, hitting another human being against his will is abuse, battery, assault.... unless you are a child... then it's discipline and it's generally okay.  A 200 pound man hitting a 30 pound child is your answer to keep him from later damaging someone's property?  Parents shouldn't have a kid, if the only way they can keep him in line is to beat him.

I think less violence and criminal behavior in general is a good start.... but your post mentions more (theft, guns, baseball bats, spanking), as if the amount of crime and violence we presently have among us isn't too much.






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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 10:34:58 PM   
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There are too many people. I would like to get in my flivver and drive about 5 miles to see my neighbor. I wish we didn't NEED interstates, cities, airlines.

You can go your own way, but this jet set deal is not right. Traveling cross country is supposed to be something you do ONCE.

One thing BTW, if I have not damged YOUR car, why do I need insurance ? Why do I have to foot the bill for drug research and let the rest of the world have it at cost ? Why ?

I have coined the term 'dependising'. I hope to never depend on modern medicine to survive. I am not a cash cow nor a guinea pig. I don't want anything from them, except in those rare cases when I need to be put back together. For diseases I'd be on Google, but I don't have any diseases. What now ? Find some, get checked every Tuesday or something ?

I have my own thoughts and opinions by which I live. I live with the benefits as well as the consequences. I would not take health insurance if it was totally free. I simply do not want it.

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 11:34:39 PM   
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I have coined the term 'dependising'. I hope to never depend on modern medicine to survive. I am not a cash cow nor a guinea pig. I don't want anything from them, except in those rare cases when I need to be put back together. For diseases I'd be on Google, but I don't have any diseases. What now ? Find some, get checked every Tuesday or something ?


T


"If given long enough the survival rate for everyone goes down to zero" - Fight Club

As for some of the other comments on this board, I am not a democrat or a republican. I do not see much difference between the two parties because they are both controlled by special interests. I am much more radical in my political thought than most people, Im ok with that and realize that I am a small minority and will probably always be, not because my ideas are inferior, but because my ideas (and others too) are not congruent with the power elite.

It makes me angry that we invade countries and bomb people.

I could give a rat's ass about a debate between republican versus democrat, because both are preaching something opposed to the core of my being.. I may vote for democrats, but I am not one.

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 11:39:01 PM   
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quote:

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There are too many people. I would like to get in my flivver and drive about 5 miles to see my neighbor. I wish we didn't NEED interstates, cities, airlines.

You can go your own way, but this jet set deal is not right. Traveling cross country is supposed to be something you do ONCE.

One thing BTW, if I have not damged YOUR car, why do I need insurance ? Why do I have to foot the bill for drug research and let the rest of the world have it at cost ? Why ?

I have coined the term 'dependising'. I hope to never depend on modern medicine to survive. I am not a cash cow nor a guinea pig. I don't want anything from them, except in those rare cases when I need to be put back together. For diseases I'd be on Google, but I don't have any diseases. What now ? Find some, get checked every Tuesday or something ?

I have my own thoughts and opinions by which I live. I live with the benefits as well as the consequences. I would not take health insurance if it was totally free. I simply do not want it.

T


I don't understand quite what you mean, or what direction you are coming from... but that's fine.

Regarding health insurance... sure, don't have it.  Personally, if you don't want it, I don't think you should have to pay for it... you are only screwing yourself in that instance... it's your right... I just would find it hypocritical if you made your way to the E.R. for a major complication that you didn't have the money to pay for. Something tells me, you would voice your right to not be denied medical care then.

Auto insurance you don't need if you don't drive.  If you do drive, then your lack of insurance could easily harm someone else.  How can you guarantee you won't paralyze (or worse) someone while driving... and how can you prove that if  you do, that you will pay  thousands of dollars for their medical costs.... you can't make that promise, unless you are insured.  It's not the car or the life in it, it's the responsibility you have to repair it if you damage/injure it.  A major medical bill for someone you hurt, or damage to a $30,000 vehicle isn't a little thing.... and most people could not afford to pay that kind of damage... and others could suffer greatly because of it, so the law makes sure you will. have a large sum of money available....you don't want car insurance, opt to take the bus. 

Agreed, there are too many people... and I pay through the nose for things I don't want  Hell, I am helping to fund a war I am against, and to help pay for large companies to pollute the environment, destroy habitats, and fight against global warming.... and I have no choice but to pay for it.  If I want to live in this society, that's what I have to put up with... or I may leave (which I may indeed do if another Bush-like person finds his way into the White House in '08).

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 11:54:46 PM   
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If you can't tell the difference between Democrats and Republicans, you aren't paying attention.


I had a really hard time distinguishing between Bill Clinton and a Republican or Tipper Gore and a Republican, but I digress...


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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/21/2006 11:56:37 PM   
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You can tell that Clinton wasn't a Republican by looking at the Supreme Court justices he nominated.

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 12:13:43 AM   
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At the time I voted based on the issue of choice, but I still wasn't that happy about my decision. I think I am next voting for anyone that opposes the war. I wonder if I will have options beyond a slow withdrawal. Either way, Iraq is pregnant - with recently radicalized would-be terrorists.

Thank you, Mr. Bush!

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 12:17:57 AM   
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Democrats and republicans are indeed the same regime, and it is we who need the regime change the worst. Iran and N Korea have no plans to attack the US, and IMO they have as much right as Israel to have nukes.


You're on the money brother.....let no one change your mind.

Repost :

An overwhelming majority of the American voting bloc is caught up, trapped, and being pitted against each other in many different types of competing loyalty scenarios that exist in what I consider to be a phony paradigm.

Both parties are merely nuanced versions of each other, in which case the opposites mirror the other.

While a fair percentage of the membership in each of the parties definitely identifies with it's very foundation and core values, the ruling elite in each party are neither Democrat nor Republican, but instead are globalists and of a ''global'' mindset.

I  have a burned DVD of Hiliary Clinton giving a speech on CSPAN where she makes Dick Cheney seem like a pacifist in conjunction with her position on Iran

And Al Gore is/was a leading proponet to tap every phone in America

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=20577


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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 1:35:58 AM   
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i miss the good old days where blowjobs in the white house were a big fat hairy deal.

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 8:34:37 AM   
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I think a concept many here miss completely is the difference between talk and action.

Hillary talks tough about Iran because she wants to look tough but isn't in a position where she will be required to put her money where her mouth is.  Same goes for the President of Iran, he speaks of "wiping Israel off the map" and actually has the ability to do so, even without nuclear weapons.  He hasn't done so and won't, it is tough talk that is cheap.

Hillary's position on Iraq is pretty carefully crafted to appear tough, anti-terror, but for doing it all better than Bush.  She is crafting a middle of the road position, exactly what Bill did. 

It is like talking with fake Doms, they all talk about how sensative they are but in reality they just want you on your knees sucking their cock.  You have to learn to listen to who they are talking to and what they are doing with the words they have chosen and relate those back to their actual actions.

Bush has been thumping his chest with Iran but hasn't done anything, why?  Well, he has to appear macho to the right wing idiots, he can't actually do anything because he has destroyed out military and knows the generals will revolt if he tries anything.  He hopes he can provoke Iran into striking us first and then the generals will have to let Bush have his way.

Its so simple really...

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 10:29:18 AM   
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Much of the disatisfaction that people express in America about our elected representatives, is that they end up not representing us at all, but representing those who will finance their campaigns to allow them to stay in office.  I don't think that many new politicians go into politics thinking that they will be at the beck and call of special interest.  But not long after they are elected, they learn that in order to be in that office for any length of time, to actually accomplish anything, they are going to have to raise money for their next campaign.  And the amount of money is so high, that they have to spend A LOT of their time raising money.  They soon learn that in order to raise that money, they will have to "sell out" many times, make deals, compromise, go against the best interest of their constituents so that they can just stay there long enough.  It is an insidious cycle that very few elected officials can avoid, unfortunately. 

Not only that, but it prevents well-qualified, but unconnected potential candidates from having a snowballs chance in hell at winning an election.  That is why you see a lot of the same ol faces for decades.  That  incumbency provides such a reliable safety net for the incumbent, that newcomers have to work twice as hard, raise twice as much money to ever hope to defeat them. 

In my humble opinion, publically funded elections are the answer.   Here is how it would work.

Lets say CrappyDom wanted to break away from his current profession and go into politics.  Lets say he wanted to run for state representative.  He's not known by anybody except his friends, family and co-workers, so he is going to have to do some door knocking to get his positions out in his local community.  He would have to raise small donations from at least 500 people (more people in larger areas)  Small donations would be donations that would not exceed $50 each but could be as little as $10.  This would be for the purpose of showing that he is at least a viable candidate and has some support.  Once he has gained the signatures and small donations from the 500 people, he could then apply for public funding of his candidacy.  Right now this does exist in some states (Arizona, Maine) on a purely voluntary basis.  If it was voluntary and both candidates running (Or all three candidates, or four) then the government would provide the funding (equal amounts) to all the candidates to run their campaigns.  The candidates would be banned from collecting any further private donations.  If one candidate chose to go with public funding, and the other candidate chose to go with private donations, then the government would provide matchings funds to the "clean candidate" that the privately funded candidate had in his war chest.  The clean candidate would be able to use his lack of special interest money as an effective qualification in his campaign, as compared to his well-connected, corporate funded opponent. 

A second aspect, would be with regard to television and radio advertising.  Currently, even though the air waves allegedly are owned by the people, they are actually sold to the highest bidder, again.....a very well financed candidate could easily drown out the message of a more modestly financed candidate.  I feel that equal amounts of free air time should be provided to each candidate. 

The result would be that the playing field would be somewhat more level, and the CrappyDom's new goal would be to appease and satisfy greater numbers of people (the majority of his constituents), rather than a few very wealthy, very powerful entities that normally would have bought him off.  It would become less about money. 

A lot of people say that the American people would never stand for their money going to finance politician's campaigns.  They might be willing if they realized the dollars that they would save by legislation that would represent their best interest.  Do you really think that because you personally are not providing a check made out to a candidates campaign that you are NOT paying a very heavy price for his legislation??

In case you were wondering how you might be able to voice your opinion about getting corporate and special interest money out of our elections, you have had a way to do so for many years now.  It is that little box on your tax return that asks if you want $3 (or $5 or $10) to go towards the financing of campaigns.  This does not increase your taxes by that amount, or decrease you refund.  You are just designating that the $3, $5 or $10 that you have already paid in taxes be utilized for that purpose.

Have you ever checked that box?


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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 12:58:06 PM   
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all i know is that i don't feel as good about my country as i once did.

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RE: Since the right loves blame games, here's another - 8/22/2006 1:02:50 PM   
LaTigresse


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quote:

ORIGINAL: followtheleader

all i know is that i don't feel as good about my country as i once did.


ditto


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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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