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Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 2:35:13 PM

Chaingang

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"Bush Now Says What He Wouldn’t Say Before War: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11"
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/08/21/bush-on-911/
(link has video)

Full transcript:

BUSH: The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East.

QUESTION: What did Iraq have to do with it?

BUSH: What did Iraq have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing. Except it’s part of — and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.

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This shouldn't be important, but in fact it is!

When will we finally attack the Swiss? Damn, those Swiss are getting kinda uppity - I think it's time we shoved their faces into the shit. Oh, and those Frenchies too - they really rub me the wrong way. And I think the Spaniards have a beating coming to them too...

We've got to show these people we are the boss.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 3:12:58 PM

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The problem is that Bush supporters are never going to hear this (and probably don't give a fuck anyway). Millions of Americans believe that Iraq must have had something to do with 9/11, and always will believe it.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 3:15:40 PM

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On Feb 8, 2003 however;

"One of the greatest dangers we face is that weapons of mass destruction might be passed to terrorists who would not hesitte to use those weapons. Saddam Hussein has long standing, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraq intelligence and Al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with Al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided Al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an Al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior Al Qaeda terrorist planner"

I almost got uppity and asked 'which time was he lying' but the answer is clear. He was lying both times.

T

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 3:19:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

BUSH: and nobody has suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq was a — Iraq — the lesson of September 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken. Nobody’s ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq.

I'm not sure, but I don't think he's lying. He's just saying no one ever said Iraq ordered the attack, which could quite well be true. He did not answer the question though.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 3:21:45 PM

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We'll see if Bush settles on this now. I have seen him flip back and forth between saying Saddam caused 9/11...

To my knowledge, Cheney and Rice still say this. They are both in my opinion bolder than the President, in what they are willing to say to achieve their personal goals.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 3:23:36 PM

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He does a great Porky Pig impersonation, doesn't he.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 5:50:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

On Feb 8, 2003 however;

"One of the greatest dangers we face is that weapons of mass destruction might be passed to terrorists who would not hesitte to use those weapons. Saddam Hussein has long standing, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraq intelligence and Al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with Al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided Al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an Al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases. We also know that Iraq is harboring a terrorist network headed by a senior Al Qaeda terrorist planner"

I almost got uppity and asked 'which time was he lying' but the answer is clear. He was lying both times.

T

Wow, what amazing bullshit, considering Saddam and BinLaden pretty much mutually hated each other.

And.... are you saying there are still idiots out there who think the two are tied together?

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 6:09:08 PM

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Mutual hatred has never stopped folks from alliances to destroy someone they both hate worse.

I've never heard a specific charge from any of the administration saying Iraq was responsible for 9/11, I have heard that under Saddam they may have provided training support and (MIGHT IN THE FUTURE) provide WMD technology.

Those who do make the huge leap from providing training locations for airliner operations (hyjacking training), the most frequently claimed support, to being responsible for 9/11, are making the same mistake so many want to when they want to blame the gun manufacturers for the outcome of an armed robbery. Blame for a specific incident cannot be extended forever.
One has to limit the blame somewhere closer than 3 or 4 times removed from the event. (BTW the airliner training even if proven true cannot be directly traced to 9/11 to my knowledge.

You can certainly make decissions though on the potential for future cooperations between groups who have cooperated in the past.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 6:39:29 PM

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It's true that the administration never *precisely* said that Saddam carried out the 9/11 attacks, or ordered them...

But what they did is to imply, frequently, that he was at least indirectly responsible. The polls that I have seen reported indicate that some 40-something percent of Americans *still* believe that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attacks - a quick search produced this:

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A New York Times/CBS poll this week shows that 45 percent of Americans believe Mr. Hussein was "personally involved" in Sept. 11, about the same figure as a month ago.

Roughly the same percentage of Americans believe another BS idea - that most or at least some of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqis.

Americans didn't get these fanciful ideas from nowhere. They got them from statements by Mr Bush & Mr Cheney, along with Ms Rice. Here is a choice one from Mr. Cheney:

quote:

"If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

... (NBC, Meet the Press, 11/14/03)

Yep, I wonder how the Americans got these strange ideas???

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 6:39:55 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

He does a great Porky Pig impersonation, doesn't he.

LMAO..... I just finished The Bush Dyslexicon, it was an interesting read even if it was a few years old, I am glad Sinergy gave it to me to read.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 6:43:52 PM

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Personally, I think Bush and many others should be tried for mass murder.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 6:48:54 PM

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It's been suggested once or twice, but him and Cheney, they don't kill easy, see?

Think about it you got time.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 8:20:47 PM

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On this single issue, I don't think they lied although they knew they were being manipulative. They consistently mentioned Iraq, terrorists, and 9/11 in the same breath. Since most Republicans are idiots, they fell for it hook line and sinker. Which is why most FOX listeners are the ones who bought it.

Sad and pathetic, but true.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 9:07:42 PM

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Some will be deluded into thinking they were totally responsible others will be deluded that they had no ties at all.

As with most things the truth tends to be in the middle ground.

Responsible for 9/11? No
Provided indirect aid? I'll buy that.
Had no ties at all? As deluded as those who believe they were responsible.
But then again I was sold on the idea of going in long before they got around to adding in ties to terrorists as a reason to go in.
Not because I was blood thirsty but because I was of the opinion that another 15 years of games was going to be as harmfull to US interests as any result of going in.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 9:16:29 PM

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While there may have been cells hiding in Iraq, from my understanding, no Saddam did not have ties with that organization.

Oh Wait!! I found the proof! The link between Saddam and Osama!!

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 9:16:31 PM

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So, this guy walks into another country 12 years prior to the invasion of this country under false pretenses.

We didnt wipe him off the face of the earth then, but we got the ass up because he killed a hunthou or so?

God save us from the intelligent. I wish that every american, or really north american, actually had to read (only at the vary least to graduate elementary school) to be able to compute current events in other than multiples of four ---would be world changing.

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/21/2006 10:21:46 PM

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Archer,

I drafted a long winded response tearing apart the Saddam-9/11 connection but decided it wasn't worth it.

The mess we see in Iraq today was something many saw quite clearly long before we invaded, including the prediction of ascendency of Iran, even I saw it. So, what do you think of your opinion now that

quote:

that another 15 years of games was going to be as harmfull to US interests as any result of going in.

A contained non fundamentalist regime in Iraq with Iran still a pariah in the ME along with an intact US military sounds rather good at this point. So are you still glad we invaded or do you see it as the blunder it is?

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/22/2006 1:29:27 AM

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but at least we all feel so much safer right????

crappy... you say blunder i say homicidal, maniacal megalomania....

tomato.... tomoto

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/22/2006 2:34:57 AM

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"Some will be deluded into thinking they were totally responsible others will be deluded that they had no ties at all.

As with most things the truth tends to be in the middle ground."

...the unanswered question here is who did the deluding? If the administration then how can it be described as government for the people, by the people etc.....?

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RE: Iraq Had ‘Nothing’ To Do With 9/11 - 8/22/2006 3:17:26 AM

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It never was government for the people by the people in the first place, Americans have always been sold a lie. The founding fathers were consolidating their own position in the war of independence, they were the mirror image of parliamentarians in London. There has been enough history written about it and the American Empire has mirrored the British Empire. What more is there to say?

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