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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/22/2006 10:06:49 PM   
Daddy4UdderSlut


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Well, the vast majority of the scientific community actually agrees with Al Gore, so you can ridecule him all you like, but they don't.


As a minor clarification, Al Gore agrees with the majority of the scientific community, not the other way around. They are, alas, the ones doing the work here -- he is publicizing their efforts (for which I say good job and thanks!)

As a second minor clarification, they ridicule him. Almost everybody with a sense of humor does. It's fun -- try it sometime.

*LOL*

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/22/2006 10:26:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Walmart isn't bringing money back to America in any real sense of the word, they are employing Chinese to sell Chinese goods.  Nowhere in that equation is middle America making any money.

Same goes for financial services, do you really believe China is going to let those services come here?  They brought in factories to make passenger planes, opening up service offices takes a roll of carpet, a broadband connection, and a desk.  Trust me, that money isn't comming here.

The Chinese aren't planning on being a second rate power for very much longer.  They are just biding their time till their domestic economy can swallow much of their output and that is when they will be aggressive militarily because they can tell us to take our markets and shove them, won't matter much anyway because we don't have any money to spend and what we do have left will be facing hyper inflation.

As for Japan, it was a perfect example.  They have not and will not REALLY open their markets, or at least not any that we might actually be competitive in. 

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/22/2006 11:15:19 PM   
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Pot - you call your Kettle!



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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 12:33:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Daddy4UdderSlut

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Utter,

Why bother arguing, they are like the ones who believed the earth was flat and the sun revolved around us.  I just post a counter for the intelligent readers who might wonder and move on.

It just makes me sick.  You have people with no education, no experience, and no knowledge in an area, and yet they pretend to be expert about it.  Only on the internet.


Al Gore says that he has been trying to get his message out for thirty years. Thirty years ago we were being warned about the coming Ice Age. Global cooling. Were you also one of the scientists who believed in that as well? And I sure don't remember Al Gore talking about global warming then. I guess he was too busy inventing the internet. 

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 5:43:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Al Gore never said he "invented" the Internet.  But he did create
it by sponsoring the law making ARAPNAT public.

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 6:03:30 AM   
Chaingang


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Status: offline 		Good lord, who cares about Al Gore? I sure as fuck don't.

Try to pay attention, children - Mr. Bush is the current puppet in the oval office.

Focus, focus...!

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 7:15:51 AM   
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Caitlyn,

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No offense intended, but ideas like this are worthless, until they include how to acually accomplish "dream world" solutions in the real world we live in.


I take it the world you live in believes China bought Boeings instead of Aerobush because they were a better deal rather than as a buy off of the US?  I bet in your world, Bush is a tried and true Texan and has nothing in common with John Kerry?

Do you actually believe the words that politicians say?  Do you really believe Muslims "hate us because of our freedoms"?  Is that the real world you live in?  Do you watch FOX and just nod your head at the amazing way they  uncover the real truth?

Sorry, but in my world politicians usually say one thing and mean another and sell wars for one reason and start them for completely different ones.  The biggest difference is the best of them win wars by either never firing a shot or having someone else do the fighting and dying.


I believe in a world where people understand that they will never get their point across by talking down to people.
 
Pointing out that "nice ideas" are of very little value, unless they are accompanied by a way to make them happen ... has nothing to do with Boeing, Muslims, FOX or President Bush.
 
We are actually on the same side on most issues, from what I have seen. You are just so amazingly combattive on this board, that you invent an enemy in anyone that doesn't defacto agree with you.
 
You are in essence, exactly like President Bush. He invented an enemy in Iraq, out of someone with contrary views. You invent enemies here, out of anyone with contrary views.

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 8:02:53 AM   
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Anyone can make an agenda. Getting that agenda past the opposition is another story.

No offense intended, but ideas like this are worthless, until they include how to acually accomplish "dream world" solutions in the real world we live in.


By this logic, the likes of you, me, and crappydom should never discusss politics. I would argue that ideas are NEVER worthless.

The first step of every person is to develop his ideas, improve his knowledge of the world, and expose himself to scrutinty and peer review.

Unlike you, crappydom and I actually live in the real world outside the "ivory towers" of acadamia --- and let me tell you, its not so easy to find any forum for meaningful discussion here.

This persistent line of thought you have that unempowered criticism is worthless is off target. I would suggest your POV here is a boilerplate, mix and stir formula for dismissal of another's views, and I think the dismissal of ideas (without productive engagment) as "worthless" or "dream worldy" is more damaging then actually having man-on-the-street ideas.

What crappydom misses, IMO, is the STRONG evidence that using the military as an arm of socio-political change in the far off reaches of the world is a project doomed to failure. Dimplomacy, foreign aid, coalition building, et. al. are all probably more effective.

In the age of guerilla warfare, military imperialism ain't what it used to be.

This is actually the unspoken truth America has learned, and its a decisive victory for rogue nations like IRAN and North Korea who now feel emboldned with the US bogged down in an untenable occupation. Its also a victory for terrorists, who now understand that their tactics not only disrupt opponents, but also bait opponents into overreacting and overreaching. (As in Lebanon for example.)

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 9:14:57 AM   
caitlyn


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Status: offline 		When CrappyDom actually discusses politics, I enjoy his posts a great deal. When he calls people idiots, sick, whatever, and talks down to everyone that doesn't agree with him ... I do tend to dismiss him.
 
You may be right about no idea being worthless. Perhaps my choice of words was very poor (For those of you that have never done it, that's called admitting you made a mistake. ).
 
What I should have said, was that ideas without a plan for making them happen, are not fully formed, and possibly of less value than those that can actually be accomplished.
 
I'm not sure I get your point about dismissing people. I rarely agree with Mercnbeth, popeye or Estring (who seem, to the right), but don't dismiss them, or the things they say. I rarely agree with Lashra or julianne (who seem, to the left) but don't dismiss them, or the things they say. None of these people mentioned, call others names, talk down to people, or misquote them. I don't really fully understand your point, so can't comment on it ... other than to say that if a person doesn't want to be dismissed, perhaps they shouldn't call people names, talk down to people, or misquote them.
 
Perhaps silly thinking from the "Ivory Tower."

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 9:25:23 AM   
CrappyDom


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Status: offline 		Caitlyn,

I dismiss people who have a shallow understanding of history, politics, and or logic.  When they lack all three I do not hesitate to point it out.

Cloudboy,

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What crappydom misses, IMO, is the STRONG evidence that using the military as an arm of socio-political change in the far off reaches of the world is a project doomed to failure. Dimplomacy, foreign aid, coalition building, et. al. are all probably more effective.


First off, my op was about what I would do if I was a COMPETENT neocon as opposed to an innept one.  It wasn't meant as an outline of what I would have done.

The military is a tool, as is diplomacy and like all tools are only as effective as the user.  The reason I would not have chosen to invade Iraq would be the same one Bush's father gave for abandoning the Kurds and Shia to slaughter because the risk of allowing the Shia to run Iraq was too great. 

That said, insurgencies can be defeated, but they require the use of proper tactics, something we are failing utterly to do in Iraq.  The Brits and other commonwealth countries have probably the most effective record in dealing with insurgencies, in fact the Aussies who fought with us in Vietnam succedded in ridding their areas of Vietcong, something we in general failed to do.  The Brits put down many insurgencies, including a large one in Malaysia.

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 12:21:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have seen you make the argument against others (Meatcleaver for example) --- that idle criticism is bullshit. The implication is that ideas without a credible action plan are worthless.

I do not agree. I think ideas and the discussion of them is always helpful and relevant, even if the ideas stand no chance for public or personal implementation.

I do get, tho, that you are trying to militate against naysayers, critics, and the general assholeness of the sideline idiots who think playing in the real game is easy.

Anyhow, I did parachute in out of nowhere -- and my point is that the man-on-street with an opinion is important notwithstanding the fact that he doesn't have the ear of President, a pipeline to his Senator, or a coalition that will back him. His voice is in the marketplace of ideas, and the more vibrant that marketplace is, the better chance folks will have a chance to score the truth there.

Lastly, I did not know Crappy was so condescending. I'm not so sure taking on the BUSH kool-aid drinkers amounts to condescension, but, what do I know of what is really happening.

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Crappy: if.....I was a COMPETENT neocon


You would dance on the PENTAGON,
And spank Caitlyn on the bun
While uniting the Middle East into one.

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 12:52:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		All this Bush hate seems to be misdirected.... it should be targeted at Dick Cheney who couldn't even shoot the right Bush.

It was all set up... far away fron Dealy Plaza this time.... the shotgun was ready.... and Cheney shot a fucking lawyer instead!!!

Everyone wonders why it took so long to get a statement from Cheney after the shooting... it was prepared in advance, but had to be totally re-written after Cheney dropped the ball and shot the wrong guy.



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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 1:52:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you have nothing else to do but masturbate, make yet another Bush bashing post.  Great idea.  How to look like a misguided idiot with an inane agenda in two easy steps:

1)  Continually bash a President (any President) without having any facts straight at all.
2)  Go to step 1)

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 2:20:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would appear that just barely enough fellow misguided idiots/masturbation authorities voted for their poster child would it not?

Apparently those who voted for the poster child find themselves in much need of defending their poorest of choices, but so often voting along party lines for the company idiot usually results in the same knee-deep doggy poo.

You seem to act as though Bush invented being an idiot.... not so, he merely followed in his father's "big oil" footsteps.


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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 2:28:16 PM   
SirKenin


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Status: offline 		hehe.  Well, I can honestly say I never voted for Bush.  Somehow I do not think a Canadian is allowed to vote in US elections.

However, I must add that voters turned out in record numbers in support of Bush, so that must say something for the guy.

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 2:29:37 PM   
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I have seen you make the argument against others (Meatcleaver for example) --- that idle criticism is bullshit. The implication is that ideas without a credible action plan are worthless.


If you want to know why President Bush will not admit to a mistake ... look no further. I admitted to having spoken in error, and even offered a correction ... and yet you still bring the same issue up here, as if that had never happen.

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 3:40:04 PM   
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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 3:40:25 PM   
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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 5:45:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing good that Bush did was to keep us out of that "UN" money scam called "KYOTO."

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RE: Why Bush is an idiot - 8/23/2006 6:15:24 PM   
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I was just piling on, I suppose.

I think this criticism of mine has been brewing for a little while, hence its repetition. The dumb limrick was offered in the spirit of jovial levity, tho.

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