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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 9:36:18 PM

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I will share that I have precognitive dreams, which I have had all my life. I pushed them away and dismissed them as "coincidence" because I just could not get my intellect to agree with my intuition. I had an interest in these things, but refused to believe that I had this "gift" (at times it seemed like a curse). I then had a dream while napping one day, I will not relate the specifics of the dream, but it was very disturbing though and it stuck with me heavily all afternoon. A friend messaged me on the computer and I related the dream to her in great detail because I felt "compelled" to. Two weeks went by and then September 11th happened, my friend instantly recognized my dream as a warning because of the context of it.

I would not watch the coverage of Sept 11th for a full year. I avoided all photos of it. I quit watching TV. On the year anniversary of the event I watched a slide show of the event, and something made sense to me out of my dream that never made sense to me before, in my dream I was up in a skyscraper and when I looked out the window there was nothing but white blankness. I realized that was the view some people must have had before the building came down.

This experience haunted me deeply, and it made it extremely difficult to concentrate and focus. I felt very raw for a long time. It was like being hit over the head with this "ability" and like flood gates opened up as ihad a series of wild precognitive dreams. I worked very hard through meditiation to stop them as they disturbed me and hurt me on a spiritual level. I still do not know why I would have dreams like this, why when there was nothing I could do about it.... I had no one to talk to about it either.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 10:14:46 PM

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Hardly worth mentioning that I do not believe in psychic phenomena. I keep several ongoing experiments for people that want to insist that they can read minds or astral travel. I keep 5 playing cards face up on top of my refrigerator, changing them out every other day. I have yet to have anyone be able to see ( or should I say guess? ) which cards are there. I also keep the last 3 books that I have read sitting atop one another at my bedside. In the last 4 years, I have had 1 person predict 1 of those books correctly, and she was in a chatroom where a group of us were discussing and suggesting reading material prior to her making that guess.

These are simple experiments, and with luck someone could guess correctly without being psychic, but I find them a nice filter for weeding out the unsupported claims from things that I feel may need further investigation. They have worked well enough so far that I haven't had to bother with further investigation.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 10:28:23 PM

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Hardly worth mentioning that I do not believe in psychic phenomena. I keep several ongoing experiments for people that want to insist that they can read minds or astral travel. I keep 5 playing cards face up on top of my refrigerator, changing them out every other day. I have yet to have anyone be able to see ( or should I say guess? ) which cards are there. I also keep the last 3 books that I have read sitting atop one another at my bedside. In the last 4 years, I have had 1 person predict 1 of those books correctly, and she was in a chatroom where a group of us were discussing and suggesting reading material prior to her making that guess.

These are simple experiments, and with luck someone could guess correctly without being psychic, but I find them a nice filter for weeding out the unsupported claims from things that I feel may need further investigation. They have worked well enough so far that I haven't had to bother with further investigation.

That is not a valid test of having a 6th sense, or explaining human perceptions and gut reactions to things. I think tests like those only measure someone's arrogance in thinking that a test like that would be relevant in seeing if we reach out with telepathy to loved ones in trouble. Do we sense when something is wrong with our kids? Do we know before we are told someone we love has died (has happened to me twice). Do we have the ability to sense that someone will call us? Part of what can be measured is the importance and relevance to the person being studied. Cards have no relevance to me as does the welfare of my loved ones, or whether a long lost loved one calls me when I have been thinking about them all day

Just because you cannot explain it does not mean it doesn't exist.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 10:52:00 PM

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julia,

I rarely dream, well that I can remember. The only ones I do remember are when I wake up crying and that is usually a sign that mentally I am going into mental crash meltdown. It can occur out of no where.

I rarely watch the news...just to many familiar things. Re 911, I woke up minutes before it happened and turned it to cnn, I just knew...but not until the planes were getting ready to hit their targets. I was numb because I could not remember the exact location of the towers and my sister worked in midtown manhatten. I was frantic even while knowing she was fine, my call to her cell phone was the only call that got through to her. She was looking out her office window at the smoke billowing over the sky.

I will post more later.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 11:01:10 PM

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And how many gut feelings do we have that turn out to be absolutely wrong? How many dreams or portents of death fail to come true? Nobody sets down and writes about all of their failed premonitions, and yet everyone has them. We only remember and recount the ones that come true, and usually without making mention of them ( especially a detailed mention ) prior to their happening. Our minds will frequently fill in the blanks when it comes to dreams, with the remembered dream becoming more and more elaborate with each telling.

There are over 4 billion people in the world right now, and each ofthem dream, have portentious feelings, see something out of the corner of their eye, find things that they don't remember putting somewhere. With that many people going through things like this daily, statistics WILL make a few of the things they dream about or feel actually happen. This does not constitute proof of anything other than the law of statistical averages.

And while it is true that just because I can't prove something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist, it is equally true that a deep belief in something that is unproven doesn't make it exist. Otherwise Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, and the tooth fairy would spontaneously pop into existence.

I use what rational tools I have at my disposal to weed out the bunk from the true claims. This system may not be perfect, but it is by far the best system we have. And in truth, virtually every person uses this same system to an extent. Most people reading this would not buy a used car, sight unseen, based only on the dealer's word that it was a great vehicle. I simply apply the same skeptical criteria to all claims, be they natural or supernatural. I find it unreasonable and illogical to try living my life any other way.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 11:11:21 PM

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Whenever I have a premonition, I write it in my journal and date it. I keep this journal for this exact reason, so that if I start to question myself, I just read what I had written before the event. I have helped my local police on several occasions, as well as private detectives. My abilities have been documented. Other than that, I really do not have anything to "prove" to anyone <shrugs> You either believe or you don't.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 11:18:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

Whenever I have a premonition, I write it in my journal and date it. I keep this journal for this exact reason, so that if I start to question myself, I just read what I had written before the event. I have helped my local police on several occasions, as well as private detectives. My abilities have been documented. Other than that, I really do not have anything to "prove" to anyone <shrugs> You either believe or you don't.

Do you have a rough estimate of what your success ratio is with your predictions? And this is not meant to be insulting, but if people don't care if their claims are believed or not, why do they bother making them in the first place?

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 11:21:44 PM

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Julia, I hope Osama Bin Laden and his crew see that "whiteness" ,right before incendiary bombs go off right on top of them.
I hope they use white phosporous (Willie Pete) on their asses!

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 11:31:49 PM

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I am not saying that you do not have the right to your feelings and opinons on the matter, but I for one do not want to debate you on this topic because that was not what I personally want toget from this thread.. some sort of "proving" or "disproving". I cannot prove there is a God either, but I believe in one. Believing that something is so and proving it to a skeptic are two different things, I am not in the mood for proving myself to anyone. If others want to validate their experiences by arguing with you they can, I for one am not going to bother.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 11:33:41 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

Whenever I have a premonition, I write it in my journal and date it. I keep this journal for this exact reason, so that if I start to question myself, I just read what I had written before the event. I have helped my local police on several occasions, as well as private detectives. My abilities have been documented. Other than that, I really do not have anything to "prove" to anyone <shrugs> You either believe or you don't.

Do you have a rough estimate of what your success ratio is with your predictions? And this is not meant to be insulting, but if people don't care if their claims are believed or not, why do they bother making them in the first place?

Hi BrutalAntipathy,
I never said that I didnt care if I was believed or not. I said, either someone believes or they don't. I wrote that I didnt have anything to prove. I'm not insulted by your question at all. My success ratio is 94%. Missing persons seems to be my forte'.

Edited for grammar <s>

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/22/2006 11:34:29 PM

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I am an empath and have strong inuitions, precognitive dreams,
and past life recall. I worked in one old house that was haunted
and lived in another. Like many people with The Sight, the
abilities are present in other family members.

I find it amusing that what is called ESP in humans would be
called instinct in other species. I remain convinced that eventually
science will be able to verify most psychic phenonmena.

The strong bonds that exist between family members and loved ones
make total sense from an evolutionary stand-point. Homo sapiens
are highly social creatures and our ability to survive the predators
and climatic changes over the centuries as we evolved into the
present form necessitated finely developed communication abilities.
Empathy, telepathy and long-distance healing take place when the
emotional connection is significant and the need is strong.

Thank you for bringing up this subject, juliaoceania.

Blessed Be,

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 12:01:40 AM

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I never said that I didnt care if I was believed or not. I said, either someone believes or they don't. I wrote that I didnt have anything to prove. I'm not insulted by your question at all. My success ratio is 94%. Missing persons seems to be my forte'.

Edited for grammar <s>

LOL can you find my daughters good for nothing ex so we can get some money out of him for child support....this is not my forte. Think army tho.

not totally serious here.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 12:12:58 AM

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Yes. Just about every time my mother talks about one of her family members in Spain the phone rings and it is them.

Once I did not speak to my mother for 4 months. The day I decided it was time, and I wanted to meet her for lunch, I called. The first thing she said was, "Are you calling about lunch?"

My very close friend's mother died of cancer a few years ago. I had never met her mother, nor had I ever seen a photo of her. My friend grieved tremendously, dealing with a lot of guilt. I had a dream one night, that a woman came to me and said "Please tell Karen I know she loves me. Please tell her I love her and all is well. Please tell her to let go of her guilt." I figured it was just a dream, spurred because of conversations I had with my friend. I never mentioned it. A couple of months later I went to my friend's home for the first time. There was a picture of the woman in my dream...Karen's mother.

I leased a house once. My first day in it and I wanted out. I heard things when I was the only one home. I felt a hand on my shoulder a few times. There was always a presence there.

This kind of stuff happens to me often enough to know there is more than just coincidence. I understand that those who are closed off to receiving this kind of input/energy/phenomena will not receive it. I haven't studied it. I did not ask for this, nor do I reject it. It simply....is.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 12:16:52 AM

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Story time.

I have felt a presence in this house since I got here. Little girl her age changes. I recently posted about my grandson lighting the carpet on fire....3 days later I am talking to Boss and we are talking about serious things. The hair raises on my arms, and Kenny said she is here. I was kinda on the opposite side of the pool...I walk half way over and stop and there is a small child and I put my hand on top and said....she is this big right? He just looked down and couldnt answer me.

His son was an invtro twin, in embryonic stage the twin was tubal...and his wife almost died and son, but the drs saved them....of course the tubal was gone.

He then told me one day they were going somewhere when his son was about 4 and he would not come, Boss asks why....his son said because I am waiting for my sister. He went on to tell me she wakes him up every morning around 3:30-3:45... I told him no...she wakes you up at 3:38. I am up alot during that time. And most generally she will stop by and visit me, not always in a seeing state...but my room gets cold enough depending on what I am wearing that I have to cover up.

Like I said earlier I have worked hard to repress this gift. That is but one small story and I have hundreds more. It is in full swing right now and I have to be sooooo careful what I do and say. This is what gets me into trouble here on the forums...but I really do try and keep it under wraps and pretty much pulled away from getting to involved...it really does have a way of draining me. Several here in privacy has felt it...I do not want anyone to come forward tho, just like I kept them from doing so in that train wreck whatever day it happened.

It turned into a big mess that was never supposed to have gotten out...but it did, and I am dealing with those repercussions. I was simply miffed because of a moderation I had gotten.

Anyways.....oneward we go.

edited to clarify him and I had never even talked about any of this before, all I know was the fact that his son was invetro and there was a non surving twin.

There is also alot more to that story that I cannot and will not go into...as it involves other people and vey private things.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 12:29:22 AM

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While many posters assert with certainty their experiences and abilities you cant help but notice that when scrupulously tested such certainty just disappears. Why is that then?

I remember watching a program where a Russian female physcic(spelling?) claimed to be able to read people's personality from photographs. She totally failed to describe anything about a Yank mass murderer. Why is that then ?

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 12:56:00 AM

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I cant get into any science or proof or even give my ratio as MoGa can.

It isnt possible to be a perfect anything, this ability can come and go depending on mental state, stresses..though I personally have a higher perception when stressed. I can also somewhat suspress it by forcing myself to close off, other can do this too....I call if blocking.

like julia I will not rationalize this.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 1:08:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressOfGa

Whenever I have a premonition, I write it in my journal and date it. I keep this journal for this exact reason, so that if I start to question myself, I just read what I had written before the event. I have helped my local police on several occasions, as well as private detectives. My abilities have been documented. Other than that, I really do not have anything to "prove" to anyone <shrugs> You either believe or you don't.

Do you have a rough estimate of what your success ratio is with your predictions? And this is not meant to be insulting, but if people don't care if their claims are believed or not, why do they bother making them in the first place?

Hi BrutalAntipathy,
I never said that I didnt care if I was believed or not. I said, either someone believes or they don't. I wrote that I didnt have anything to prove. I'm not insulted by your question at all. My success ratio is 94%. Missing persons seems to be my forte'.

Edited for grammar <s>

At 94% you should have no trouble at all passing the Randi test and collecting the million dollar prize. If you are opposed to using it for profit, there are thousands of worthy causes that could use a million dollar donation.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 1:15:36 AM

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At 94% you should have no trouble at all passing the Randi test and collecting the million dollar prize. If you are opposed to using it for profit, there are thousands of worthy causes that could use a million dollar donation.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Thank you, I will look into this. Very interesting.

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 1:27:32 AM

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I also document my psychic experiences. I have often told people around me about dreams or "feelings" that I've had only to have THEM come to me later and remind me that I'd related it to them.

I dream all the time, but when I'm having a psychic dream it's almost as if every nerve in my body tingles - Thats when I know that it's important, and not just an every day occurence.

I sense spirits. Departed people and pets, guardian angels, or simply vibration and energy fields that have some form of cognizance. My brain picks up on it, and I cannot tune it out.

Does anyone else experience psychic phenomena with that nerve tingling or with other sensations that alert you that something spiritual is happening?

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RE: Psychic Phenomena - 8/23/2006 1:30:22 AM

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At 94% you should have no trouble at all passing the Randi test and collecting the million dollar prize. If you are opposed to using it for profit, there are thousands of worthy causes that could use a million dollar donation.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Thank you, I will look into this. Very interesting.

Not knowin your full abilitys....can you do it on command which is what they seem to be needing to prove and become a claimant?

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