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Chicago Bans Goose Liver


Is Chicago Right in regulating what foods can be eaten?
  14% (4)
Is Chicago Wrong in regulating what foods can be eaten?
  64% (18)
Is killing animals for food wrong? It hurts them
  14% (4)
Is killing plants for food wrong? It hurts them
  7% (2)


Total Votes : 28
(last vote on : 8/27/2006 12:05:27 PM)
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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 10:27:03 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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http://www.activistcash.com/organization_blackeye.cfm/oid/21
 
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=20670
 
Plenty of ties between PETA and ALF & ELF. PETA is nothing but a front for these groups, funding and otherwise supporting them. Newkirk has compared ALF to the French Resistance, and told us what a nice young man Coronado is. If PETA funds an organization, and it does, and a member of that organization explains to children how to make fire bombs, then PETA has had a spokesperson teaching this.  Perhaps you can slide on the technicality that Coronado was not an official spokesperson, but as the two groups are one and the same, it is really just a matter of semantics. Or maybe I am mistaken, and the Brownshirts weren't really Nazis.
 
PETA is scum of the earth, and should be grilled alive, then eaten in a mass celebration of  purging filth from human society, IMHO.
 
 

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 10:42:56 PM   
nefertari


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Status: offline 		I'm not going to continue to beat my head against a brick wall.  I'm very comfortable with my feelings and beliefs on this issue and have no deisre to argue with someone whose logic is questionable and who likes to be contrary just for the sake of it.  As you stated earlier if PETA thinks it's bad then you're going to eat more of it, or some such comment.  So since PETA is bad animal cruelty is ok with you.  Speaks volumes, doesn't it.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 10:45:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy
 
PETA is scum of the earth, and should be grilled alive, then eaten in a mass celebration of  purging filth from human society, IMHO.
 


You've really distanced yourself from any kind of fanatacism with this comment, haven't you?

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 10:52:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Wow! I've never liked goose liver, but if the American terrorist organization PETA is opposed to it, I think I can acquire a taste for it after all.


I believe PETA also frowns on the clubbing of baby seals, and starving your dog while it's tied in the back yard.....  Are these things more appealing to you now?

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 10:58:02 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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ORIGINAL: nefertari

I'm not going to continue to beat my head against a brick wall.  I'm very comfortable with my feelings and beliefs on this issue and have no deisre to argue with someone whose logic is questionable and who likes to be contrary just for the sake of it.  As you stated earlier if PETA thinks it's bad then you're going to eat more of it, or some such comment.  So since PETA is bad animal cruelty is ok with you.  Speaks volumes, doesn't it.



Actually, I said that I would become active as soon as a single zealot here denounced PETA. But I guess that you missed that part while you were busy mistranslating the definition of terrorism, agreeing with another that PETA was based on moral principles akin to the ACLU, taking cheap pot shots about how " someone " is being contrary because they expose PETA for what it is, and implying that anyone that thinks that PETA is bad is unintelligent.
 
And I will stick to my guns. If either of you have the ethical decenct to admit that PETA is a terrorist organization, I will write my senator,Troy Fraser, and ask that he emulate the city of Chicago and call to ban the force feeding of animals. What I will NOT do is support a terrorist organization such as PETA in any shape, form, or fashion. The enemy of my enemy is often not my friend, and PETA certainly falls under that category.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:02:05 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Wow! I've never liked goose liver, but if the American terrorist organization PETA is opposed to it, I think I can acquire a taste for it after all.


I believe PETA also frowns on the clubbing of baby seals, and starving your dog while it's tied in the back yard.....  Are these things more appealing to you now?


Lorelei, the more I see how unreasonably fanatical these people are, the more it drives me to want to exterminate all life on earth, just to shut them up.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:03:52 PM   
nefertari


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Wow! I've never liked goose liver, but if the American terrorist organization PETA is opposed to it, I think I can acquire a taste for it after all.


As for the rest, I believe your tone and words speak for themselves.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:05:17 PM   
nefertari


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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Wow! I've never liked goose liver, but if the American terrorist organization PETA is opposed to it, I think I can acquire a taste for it after all.


I believe PETA also frowns on the clubbing of baby seals, and starving your dog while it's tied in the back yard.....  Are these things more appealing to you now?


Lorelei, the more I see how unreasonably fanatical these people are, the more it drives me to want to exterminate all life on earth, just to shut them up.


Yet you don't see yourself as unreasonably fanatical?  Interesting.  Then I'm sure that Osama bin Laden doesn't think he is either and he just wants to exterminate the US.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:06:32 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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ORIGINAL: nefertari

You started out being contrary just for the sake of it.  This is what i was referring to. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Wow! I've never liked goose liver, but if the American terrorist organization PETA is opposed to it, I think I can acquire a taste for it after all.


As for the rest, I believe your tone and words speak for themselves.



Yes, I admit it, I hate terrorists. Bad of me, I know, but I do. Ohhh, woe is me! I think that i'll go kick a kitten to lighten my spirits.


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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:08:19 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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ORIGINAL: nefertari

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

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ORIGINAL: MistressLorelei

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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

Wow! I've never liked goose liver, but if the American terrorist organization PETA is opposed to it, I think I can acquire a taste for it after all.


I believe PETA also frowns on the clubbing of baby seals, and starving your dog while it's tied in the back yard.....  Are these things more appealing to you now?


Lorelei, the more I see how unreasonably fanatical these people are, the more it drives me to want to exterminate all life on earth, just to shut them up.


Yet you don't see yourself as unreasonably fanatical?  Interesting.  Then I'm sure that Osama bin Laden doesn't think he is either and he just wants to exterminate the US.



Hmmm, but unlike Laden and PITA, the ACLU and I don't advocate burning down places.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:09:24 PM   
nefertari


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Status: offline 		LMAO.  You just want to exterminate all life on earth.  Gotta love that logic.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:10:31 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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LMAO.  You just want to exterminate all life on earth.  Gotta love that logic.


You really have a hard time grasping sarcasm, don't you?

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:26:45 PM   
nefertari


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Status: offline 		Actually, no I don't, but apparently you do. 

I find it somewhat amusing that you have gotten this bent out of shape, though, because of a link that I posted.  I wasn't endorsing PETA by posting that link.  The link was directly related to the OP in that it showed the treatment of animals raised for foie gras.  You saw that it linked to PETA and have had a field day since and have completely disregarded any problem with animal cruelty as long as PETA is in the picture.  That is extreme and fanatic in and of itself.

For the record, I am not a member of PETA.  I use their site for informational purposes, such as grabbing that link.  I do not support them.  So put that in your pipe and smoke it while you're calling me a zealot.  If you had bothered to read all of the posts you would see that I had stated that I don't have a problem with eating meat as long as it is humanely raised and controlled killing is used.  You are making assumptions and twisting words to suit your twisted logic.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:38:26 PM   
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The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.
-Mohandas Gandhi

Ever occur to you why some of us can be this much concerned with animals' suffering? Because government is not. Why not? Animals don't vote.
-Paul Harvey

I have no doubt that it is a part of the destiny of the human race, in its gradual improvement, to leave off eating animals.
-Henry David Thoreau

Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.
-Albert Einstein

A righteous man takes care of his beast, but the heart of the wicked is merciless.
-Proverbs 12:10

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:39:26 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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ORIGINAL: nefertari

Actually, no I don't, but apparently you do. 

I find it somewhat amusing that you have gotten this bent out of shape, though, because of a link that I posted.  I wasn't endorsing PETA by posting that link.  The link was directly related to the OP in that it showed the treatment of animals raised for foie gras.  You saw that it linked to PETA and have had a field day since and have completely disregarded any problem with animal cruelty as long as PETA is in the picture.  That is extreme and fanatic in and of itself.

For the record, I am not a member of PETA.  I use their site for informational purposes, such as grabbing that link.  I do not support them.  So put that in your pipe and smoke it while you're calling me a zealot.  If you had bothered to read all of the posts you would see that I had stated that I don't have a problem with eating meat as long as it is humanely raised and controlled killing is used.  You are making assumptions and twisting words to suit your twisted logic.



I guess that makes us two of a kind then, as you certainly made assumptions about me as well. I do admit that I am biased to any and every thing associated with PETA. I also did my level best to make valid points when it came to expressing my distaste for them. You ignored this in favor of engaging in cheap attacks based on sarcastic musings I intertwined with the posts. At no point did you acknowledge any of those very factual, very frightening points concerning PETA. And if likening PETA to the ACLU is NOT twisted logic, I would hate to see what you consider twisted logic to be.

So, on that note, want me to write my congressman now, or are you still going to evade that offer and continue to practice sleight of hand maneuvers to distract from the fact that PETA is a terrorist group?

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:46:37 PM   
Nikolette


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http://sustainabletable.org/home/


http://www.nofoiegras.org/

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/23/2006 11:56:18 PM   
BrutalAntipathy


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ORIGINAL: Nikolette

And some links:

http://sustainabletable.org/home/


http://www.nofoiegras.org/



The first one at least is actually a nice link. I didn't look at the second one, because I am sure it doesn't have suggestions for using PETA members in place of goose liver.
 
Thanks Nikolette.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/24/2006 12:00:46 AM   
nefertari


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Status: offline 		I don't consider PETA a terrorist group.  There are many practices that I don't agree with and many that I do.  And it wasn't me that compared PETA to the ACLU.  That I quoted the entire post and didn't cut some out must be what makes you make that assumption that I did compare them.  However, the point that the poster was making is that one can support the cause of the ACLU while not supporting everything the ACLU does.  Same for PETA.  That point seems to have evaded you.

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So, on that note, want me to write my congressman now, or are you still going to evade that offer and continue to practice sleight of hand maneuvers to distract from the fact that PETA is a terrorist group?


I never asked you to write.  If you offered it should be because it's something you believe in, not because you are trying to force someone to concede.  I'm not conceding anything.

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/24/2006 12:11:58 AM   
Nikolette


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Status: offline 		You are quite welcome. As for the second link, it doesn't have any mention of PETA anywhere, not to eat them... not to follow them, as far as I am aware. (I'm pretty aware)


And I'll say this... I am not an advocate for violence on any level. (This being in sync with the fact that I don't believe consensual relationships between adults in a BDSM situation is unethical, because of the premis of will involved.)

So another quote:

"Any attempt to impose your will on another is an act of violence."
- M. Gandhi

I believe my ethics to be my own. I do not advocate with the use of violence ever. I find it demeans its own "cause". Gandhi seemed to agree and brought around the liberation of a nation with that employed. I find no reason why any organization could not do the same.

Which brings me to another quote:

"Although the world is full of suffering, the world is full also of the overcoming of it."
- Helen Keller

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RE: Chicago Bans Goose Liver - 8/24/2006 12:12:33 AM   
BrutalAntipathy


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ORIGINAL: nefertari

I don't consider PETA a terrorist group.  There are many practices that I don't agree with and many that I do.  And it wasn't me that compared PETA to the ACLU.  That I quoted the entire post and didn't cut some out must be what makes you make that assumption that I did compare them.  However, the point that the poster was making is that one can support the cause of the ACLU while not supporting everything the ACLU does.  Same for PETA.  That point seems to have evaded you.

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So, on that note, want me to write my congressman now, or are you still going to evade that offer and continue to practice sleight of hand maneuvers to distract from the fact that PETA is a terrorist group?


I never asked you to write.  If you offered it should be because it's something you believe in, not because you are trying to force someone to concede.  I'm not conceding anything.



Ok. I made the offer because I had hoped that an agreement could be met on some middle ground. But seeing as you don't consider fire bombings to be terrorist acts, I see now that the offer was in vain. It was not a concession, but a compromise. If you really are adamant in insisting that PETA is not a terrorist organization, then I can see how any meaningful dialogue with you on this topic is impossible. May I ask you though, if you do not think that arson for political means is not an act of terrorism, what do you consider an act of terrorism to be?
 
I originally said that you agreed with another about the ACLU and People for Evil Terroristic Acts being similar. I don't think that I meant to imply that you made the initial comparison, only  that you supported this position after it was made.

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