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My brother a Scientist (yes he has a degree and everthing) explained it this we. We as people if nothing els are energy enery can not be created or distroyed there for there is no way we could ever end!

Our corporeal bodies - and mind - are energy. So that part is true. However, our mind - and everything else in the physical universe is also spirit, consisting of information, programming. This information may reincarnate. It makes no sense to have a program and to not use it again, unless of course it is defective - in which case the delete button may be clicked on.

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As for the mind being spirit, I can't say that I agree with that. Physical trauma, seizures, transient ischemic attacks ( strokes ), and certain chemicals can alter or destroy mental processes. This indicates that the mind and it's function is a biological, physical process, with no evidence to indicate any other properties.

You are not spiritually aware. Spirituality has nothing to do with physics. Such damage to the mind merely indicates the loss of that part of the spirit, which may be returned after death, or upon recuperation, or which may be recycled to be expressed elsewhere - perhaps in a galaxy or time far, far away.
 
On what grounds do you base this claim? As you are offering it in a form that implies that you have information concerning the subject, from where do you draw this information? If the information is simply speculative, then there is still no reason to consider the brain as more than a biological function. Perhaps you could offer supporting data by demonstrating a method by which some spiritual force could make itself known by changing brain function. As it stands, we have evidence in plenty for physical cause of information loss, but zero information on any spiritual cause.

 
From the spiritual point of view the brain is much like a loudspeaker or other appliance: you pour in the energy/spirit and out comes the sound/personality and intellectual abilities.
 
Again, this is speculative. energy is poured into an appliance, yes, but energy and matter are intertwined. They are in essence two sides of the same coin, and doubly so on the quantum level. But information is not energy. Information is a process. We have many ways of distributing information, and these are all based on natural phenomena. sound, text, and tghe like are all physical, not spiritual, manifestations.

 
It is like the delta of a river: you may block one of its outlets with a dam, but that does not mean that the water that used to flow through it has disappeared.
 
As I mentioned previously, entropy interferes with the function of useable energy. A Dam does not stop the energy potential of a dam, but it makes that energy less useful as it has allowed the kinetic energy of the flowing river to dissipate. Even with information technology, we see a degradation of data upon copying it. A transcriptionist may make errors, a file becomes corrupt, and the wear from playing a vinyl recording causes the recording to deteriorate. Without some mechanism of complexity vastly beyond any that we use for information preservation, the information contained in electrochemical storage inside our minds is going to dissipate into an unrecognisable form shortly after the end of our biological process, just like the snuffed out flame of a candle.
 


 

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If the information is simply speculative, then there is still no reason to consider the brain as more than a biological function.

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Perhaps you could offer supporting data by demonstrating a method by which some spiritual force could make itself known by changing brain function.

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As it stands, we have evidence in plenty for physical cause of information loss, but zero information on any spiritual cause.

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But information is not energy. Information is a process. We have many ways of distributing information, and these are all based on natural phenomena. sound, text, and tghe like are all physical, not spiritual, manifestations.