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REDsoon -> Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 5:47:45 AM)

I am trying to make a research and see why men usually pay money/tribute to be a submissive while women can receive services free.

It's interesting because for me when a man pays for services to be slave he is actually paying for a woman to conduct services and instruct/command her what to do on him and hence that man is behaving like a master in effect. He is in control by paying money. So how could that money slave who is commanding her like a master be a slave/submissive?

I just want to know if the answer is more than one of the following points: (Which one is the most accurate?)

1) Men are not usually attractive physically. They are just attractive financially so the term “financial slaves” comes.

2) Men are more violent than women most the time so women need money to compensate taking the risk for services. Women join for free on most web sites. Most Mistress’s prefer female slave/submissive in many cases.

3) Men are more in number who are active socially (like at night on the streets) so their abundance make them less desirable. Keeping a 50/50 ratio is good for business so women join for free.

4) Men could not control themselves as women could due to testosterones so what they ask is in a quick rush. They may change their minds about being slaves/submissives anytime so money has to be taken to compensate for the loss of obtaining their services.

5) A woman’s body is more attractive. Women say they are mistresses although they are very much physically weaker compared to their slave (who might be a man 3 times her size/height). It is just the attitude that matters and feminine attractiveness of the woman, this includes being shorter than the slave and even slimmer. So most web sites have either short or slim women as mistresses even though they are physically weak as mistresses. It's just men only look for female attractiveness (i.e., no large biceps and weak arms); men just don't care about reality even for the short duration for the session.

6) Tradition or social pressure.

7) Women don't have money like men. This is the main reason why men pay more.

8) For women, money has a deeper meaning about their value. For example, the more money a woman receives from a man, the more attractive she would think men view her. So money/ tribute is a form of standardized measurement that women use to compete with each other.




RealityFix -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 7:44:45 AM)

It's called "supply and demand" dude. And male subs are in surplus everywhere.

And you guys pay for pros because most of you DO lack what it takes to serve,so sure as hell Pro Dommes are going to take advantage of it.

Playing is EASY.

Service is WORK. (ack horrible four letter word)

As in any modern society, you pay a premium for on demand service.




GoddessJules -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 7:50:21 AM)

No offense, but from your profile picture. . .you *might* want to pay a slave to come clean your house. . . .

J




Jasmyn -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 9:17:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: REDsoon
I am trying to make a research and see why men usually pay money/tribute to be a submissive while women can receive services free.


Many women visit pro doms and readily pay for the privilege of doing so.

Secondly I think many people could be insulted by the notion that a male dom is merely 'providing a service' to non-paying females.

Why men pay? The same reason women do. They want a session of submission.

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It's interesting because for me when a man pays for services to be slave he is actually paying for a woman to conduct services and instruct/command her what to do on him and hence that man is behaving like a master in effect. He is in control by paying money. So how could that money slave who is commanding her like a master be a slave/submissive?


Some Mistresses will script session where they do exactly as the paying client requires. But how does this differ from the fem sub arranging a session of spanking with a trusted Master or Mistress or disciplinarian? *rolls eyes* Not all pro doms script session and a lot take great care in developing long term relationships with session slaves that have fark all to do with money but everything to do with servitude.

Secondly he is far from 'masterful' crawling across the floor to the toilet bowl before licking it clean because it amuses the Mistress. Lastly the logic is flawed because it is based on the assumption the pro dom is not somehow attracted to the task before her and can't veto her way out of it if it isn't.


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I just want to know if the answer is more than one of the following points:

1) Men are not attractive physically. They are just attractive financially so the term “financial slaves” comes.


No the term financial slave did not arise from pro domination or men been ugly. Financial domination is a very real kink and often found in the area of Fem Supremacy where the slave desires that Mistress control their finances. For men in particular, financial means, defines independence...having the Mistress remove their financial means is the ultimate in 'dependence' upon their Goddess. Financial slavery is not limited to male subs only, female subs have been known to seek the same.

'Financial slaves' in the manner I think you mean is largely a cyberage invention and has little to do with domination and slavery and all to do with taking advantage of guillable men who may or may not have a very real desire to have their wallets raped. Again a 'dependance' thing. I've also wondered if it is because some men have no reason to strive in their careers, they may or may not have a demanding wife, they need a 'purpose' in life and some find that purpose is in having a demanding spoilt women saying gimmie gimmie gimmie work harder worm I want more.

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2) Men are more violent than women so women need money to compensate taking the risk for services. Women join for free on most web sites. Most Mistress’s prefer female slave/submissive in many cases.


Where does someone get the notion most Mistresses' prefer female slaves? I think in the pro dom arena it is the WOMEN who are more likely to be violent than the male.

Women get free membership to shit simply because its good economics...the majority of men will go where the majority of women hang out..its a numbers game. Ever wondered why most successful bar owners have attractive staff? A good looking barman will attract more women to a bar giving men (the biggest spenders) to their bar a reason to drink there.

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3) Men are more in number who are active socially (like at night on the streets) so their abundance make them less desirable. Keeping a 50/50 ratio is good for business so women join for free.


See above.

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4) Men could not control themselves due to testosterones so what they ask is in a quick rush. They may change their minds about being slaves/submissives anytime so money has to be taken to compensate for the loss of obtaining their services from them as.


Money is taking simply because they are paying for a service. The service been 'a session with a Mistress' that they may or may not get elsewhere. Paying for it has little to do with compensation or fickle subs who yo-yo within their desire to submit, or plain and simple horny geeks looking for a good time. Plenty of men pay for sessions with pro doms despite that they may have one or two Mistresses available to them to have free sessions with.

Secondly a lot of men enjoy 'paying' for their submission. It humbles them.

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5) A woman’s body is more attractive. Women say they are mistresses although they are very much physically weaker compared to their slave (who might be a man 3 times her size/height). It is just the attitude that matters and feminine attractiveness of the woman, this includes being shorter than the slave and even slimmer. So most web sites have either short or slim women as mistresses even though they are physically weak as mistresses. It's just men only look for female attractiveness (i.e., no large biceps and weak arms); men just don't care about reality even for the short duration for the session. So it’s having a physically strong woman that counts.


Ok you've completely lost Me here...but I'll give it My best shot. It is having a MENTALLY strong woman that counts. Size and statue has little to do with it unless the client has a specific preference for a particular type...Amazon, petite, Matronly, Goddess.





Jasmyn -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 9:50:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RealityFix

It's called "supply and demand" dude. And male subs are in surplus everywhere.

And you guys pay for pros because most of you DO lack what it takes to serve,so sure as hell Pro Dommes are going to take advantage of it.

Playing is EASY.

Service is WORK. (ack horrible four letter word)



Disagree that it has anything to do with men lacking the ability to serve outside the paying environment. And no 'playing' is not easy.




GoddessJules -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 9:55:00 AM)

Excuse my smart ass reply. . .but just like clockwork, we get yet *another* money/pay/findom thread. I guess since it is so redundant, I had to think of a "creative" way to start responding to them.

J




Jasmyn -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:08:06 AM)

Haha no offense at all... I chuckled My a off when I read that ;) and I agree I get sick of defending pro domination too ... little people in the mainstream pc scene understand it or wish to understand it, which is kewl if thats where they leave it...but too many who are ignorant of it but preach anyway ... gotta love human nature... it never lets you down. Not that the thread author was preaching as such...but I'm sure they'll be a few preacher boys and girls along soon.

Jasmyn




smile2cu -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:09:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessJules
Excuse my smart ass reply. . .but just like clockwork, we get yet *another* money/pay/findom thread. I guess since it is so redundant, I had to think of a "creative" way to start responding to them.

J
How about responding by mentioning that you're worth it!
(I certainly assume you are.) [sm=tongue.gif]




Kinkypupper -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:32:48 AM)

Simply put "ANY" female asking for a "tribute" from a male is a prostitute.
The majority of males "here" and elsewhere are just troles looking for SEX.
Often just a one nighter.
In a true Master/slave condition the slave in the relationship has freely given over ALL of their possessions to their Master. Partly because in their quest to please their Master they have given not only their body to be controled by them but all worldly possessions and income.
THIS also comes with the responsibility from the Master to protect and take care of the slave for however long the relationship lasts. Any good Master in my opinion would also insure the slaves care and wellbeing if the relationship ends tho in many cases if the slave has arrived with nothing they will leave with nothing.
Once I do collar a slave it will not be a lite hearted thing nor do i take it as such. I will however expect from that slave not only all their possessions/income but more importantly their body and yes their "soul".
So sorry anyone asking for a "tribute" is lookin for a hooker..




Jasmyn -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:39:07 AM)

Like I said above ... the preachers will come out of the woodwork soon enough.




ehlovindom -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:46:43 AM)

I think Jasmyn, (Ms Jasmyn!) pretty well summed up everything but one shouldn't forget that even in lifetsyle, as in the real world, woman actually are "dominant" when it comes to sex. They are the ones to say yes or no which leaves some men willing to pay some women. Women for the most part don't have to pay. Proof of this is the scarcity of sex-phone lines for women to call in to speak to men and all of the other numerous services that cater to men. It is just the way it is.

Before you build a better mousetrap, it is good to know if there are any mice out there!




RealityFix -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:49:15 AM)

Well why DO you think hookers are so popular anyhow?

I was disgusted to hear a friend tell me he used whores once. He just shrugged and said,"I can pay a whore 50 bucks and get anything I want on the spot,I try dating I can spend twice that on just one date and STILL not get laid"

I hear a lot of quibbling about if pros offer sexual serives or not-and if you look at it from the popular "shades of grey" aspect they do-just not enough to get busted by the cops.

I figure if you charge, and someone gets off in your presence (even by his own hand) you still qualify as a whore-just not a very good one.


It's the oldest profession for a very good reason,loser males go WAY back folks.




GoddessJules -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:53:30 AM)

Like I said as well. . .just like clockwork.

The problem I find with threads like this are that even though the original poster uses the guise of wanting to get more information on a topic . . .the manner in which they post is already laden and loaded with their bias. It's like starting a thread like this:

"I have nothing against blacks/asians/gays/women/(fill in the blank) but why is it that every time I see them. . .they are always (fill in the blank)?"

So the seemingly innocuous question is already loaded with a bias and all they are doing is trolling for people that agree with them. It's transparent. . .but some people obviously can't see it for what it is.

J




GoddessJules -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:54:14 AM)

quote:

How about responding by mentioning that you're worth it!
(I certainly assume you are.)


LOL! Me love you LONG time!!!!
*kisses*

J




Jasmyn -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 10:55:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ehlovindom
Proof of this is the scarcity of sex-phone lines for women to call in to speak to men and all of the other numerous services that cater to men.


Thanks ... but women do pay for sex services... they just are not that great of majority...it is not economical for providers I'm thinking so women who do pay for sex services take what is available.

I had a call one evening from a woman wanting to know if I had any males I could send around...she just wanted a good hard rodgering and was willing to pay $1000 for the service.

If it was more acceptable in society for women to take charge of their sex lives I can gaurrantee they'd be a market.

Jasmyn




Jasmyn -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 11:09:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessJules

Like I said as well. . .just like clockwork.

The problem I find with threads like this are that even though the original poster uses the guise of wanting to get more information on a topic . . .the manner in which they post is already laden and loaded with their bias. It's like starting a thread like this:

"I have nothing against blacks/asians/gays/women/(fill in the blank) but why is it that every time I see them. . .they are always (fill in the blank)?"

So the seemingly innocuous question is already loaded with a bias and all they are doing is trolling for people that agree with them. It's transparent. . .but some people obviously can't see it for what it is.

J


Very true ...

I often think a lot distaste for it comes from male subophobia ;) male submission shows up male domination. Male submission is not based on sex. Male domination by large is. & the Woman controlling the almight Vagina ;)




perverseangelic -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 11:16:57 AM)

Why do people feel such disdain for sex workers? Of -any- kind.

It's a job. It's providing a service and getting paid for it.

As long as one is not being coerced into it, why can't people work in a proffesion that pays, and that they maybe even enjoy?

That being said, I don't think that I even define professional domination as sex work. There isn't sex invovled. yes, there are sexual componants, so? Once again, someone is paying for a service. Women or men who recieve the money are giving a service. Is your barber a prostitute?


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In a true Master/slave condition the slave in the relationship has freely given over ALL of their possessions to their Master. Partly because in their quest to please their Master they have given not only their body to be controled by them but all worldly possessions and income.


So all the relationships I am closesly familiar with aren't TRUE master/mistress and slave (excluding mine, even, because I don't think it'd fit most peoples definitions). The dominant partners I know don't have any desire to controll their partner's finances. In fact, in one, the submissive partner manages them because the dominant parnter always hated doing it.

Please explain.




stef -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 11:31:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

Why do people feel such disdain for sex workers? Of -any- kind.

There are always going to be people who will have the need to reinforce their self-perceived superiority over other people. Sex workers are an easy target.

The ironic part is those same people who put down sex workers, have almost certainly utilized their services at one time or another since there's little chance of them finding that level of intimacy without money changing hands.

~stef




FangsNfeet -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 11:43:20 AM)

well well well this is more of a topic on the society standard of why the Man pays. Maybe it shows we're more horny after all. Or maybe its the whole pussy control issue. I remember having the talk with my dad many years ago. Ok Son you are to always respect and treat a woman right. Open doors, help with the seat belt, always pay, never alow a women to pay and bla bla bla weither it's a date or a friendly meeting. If the women refussed to accept your offer and pays for whatever, you where to sneak money back into her purse, car, or whatever so she could find it.

Well FUCK my dads ideals. [:@] It's nice every now and then but for the most part I inform the female in advance that I don't pay for everything and that she is to pay her half at the minimum. I'm not meeting you to worship her and to decieve that I'm a rich guy who is going to pay for everything in her life so why start things off with a lie? World wide last I checked the women to men ratio was 6 to 1. Correct me if I'm wrong but still there are more women than men in the world. Sure, I like being nice but it's only from time to time [;)]

If you're always having to pay, then who is the real dom in your relationships?




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Research: Why men pay, while women free? (1/1/2005 12:17:31 PM)

Your dad, being the gentleman, could probably get a million more dates than you, because women like men who are kind and chivalrous, and willing to provide for them.
I don't mind going on cheap dates with someone who can't afford an expensive one, if he is classy and generous of spirit; but I will never (again) date a man who waits for me to pay, or thinks "dutch". I'm just completely turned off by cheapskates, that I'd rather stay single forever.
M




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