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Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 8/25/2006 8:01:42 AM   
newdombbw


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I'm really upset today - have read the following story out of Austria.  Damned, stinking pedophile ...... had her calling him Master ......

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060825/ap_on_re_eu/austria_missing_girl
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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 8/25/2006 11:18:23 AM   
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I totally understand why this is upsetting.

I remind myself of this when folks use terms we use but commit crimes and abuse.....

We borrowed these words from non-consensual situations so we should not be surprised when they continue to be used in a violence and non-consensual context.

I get far more upset when folks claim to be doing BDSM but are really just being abusive and using much more specific terms like safewords or negotiation to cover up what they do. Word like slave and master are much older than what I call BDSM.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 8/25/2006 12:01:17 PM   
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I was watching a programme on tv last night, something about most evil serial killers. They highlited a guy from New Mexico (I think, forgive me I am terrible with remembering names of people and places) They kept playing up his S&M activities and made it appear that anyone that would participate is mentally sick and twisted. Like all sadists are cold and heartless and want to treat their "victims" as none-human objects that they will eventually kill. Never once did they mention that there are fully functioning consenting adults participating in these activities. I was frustrated that they made it seem like anyone that would have any interest in it is a sick evil twisted serial killer waiting to happen.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 8/25/2006 12:12:56 PM   
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wow, nice that he saved society the cost of prosecuting and keeping him.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 8/25/2006 5:29:58 PM   
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Greetings
i remember a while ago some one posted a question as to why BDSM is not more accpeted in main stream part of the world, This story is why, thanks to Jack Asses, and Moron like this one, is it any wonder why the vanilla world fear us.
But again the sad part is that the world news only like focusing on the bad, there was not one story about how many of the bdsm communities at least here in Calif, got together and had parties that aided the LA victims of Katerina, Many of the dungons and Lairs here had fund raiser, to aid them but did that make the news no.
how sad our world is today that we need only to see the bad and over look the good,
take care and be safe
Master Mawgan slave java

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 8/27/2006 2:47:17 PM   
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Oy I saw this on CNN and noticed the first thing they kept mentioning was that she called him 'master'. Now it has me wondering excatly how people will react if my future pet slips and calls me master outside of the house. TheTammyJo does make a good point though, a lot of the words used have histories behind them and even if people have contact with some BDSM friends who use words like slaves or Master when they see stories like this I doubt the more docile definitions stick in thier minds and they probably wonder if thier friend who has someone call him Master is really as nice and safe as they think.




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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 8/28/2006 8:12:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SavageEu

Oy I saw this on CNN and noticed the first thing they kept mentioning was that she called him 'master'. Now it has me wondering excatly how people will react if my future pet slips and calls me master outside of the house. TheTammyJo does make a good point though, a lot of the words used have histories behind them and even if people have contact with some BDSM friends who use words like slaves or Master when they see stories like this I doubt the more docile definitions stick in thier minds and they probably wonder if thier friend who has someone call him Master is really as nice and safe as they think.





This is sadly one of the reason why Fox calls me "TammyJo" when we are around anyone who is not into BDSM themselves.

Even some of those can get unnerved when they heard him call me Mistress because I think we should remember that most people who do BDSM do it only for fun and don't carry it outside the bedroom and another large group do not do Ds but instead bondage or SM.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/2/2006 7:10:08 PM   
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I think BDSM can really be something for people who aren't dominant but want total control to hide behind.  Maybe that dosn't make sense, but doms really have to have a dominant personality, and most of these criminals are psychos with anger issues and who aren't really in any control at all.   So the incidence of abusers who say they're into BDSM make the real ones look bad.  I think it's really a whole seperate thing, those people just use the same term... kinda..

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/3/2006 5:41:57 PM   
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I came across this today - and feel it is important to post - (if it helps one lady - then it is worth the read....)
MASTER Rocker

The Mindset of Safety
(underlying motivations)

“Tuesday June 6, 2000 1:28 PM ET
Internet 'Slavemaster' Linked to Kansas Murders
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (Reuters) - Law enforcement officials were searching for more bodies on Tuesday after identifying a Kansas man known on the Internet as the ``slavemaster'' as a suspect in the deaths of two women whose remains were found buried in 55-gallon drums over the weekend.  Law enforcement officials said they were not sure how many more bodies might be discovered, if any, but they were planning to drain a rural Kansas pond on Tuesday afternoon to look for more victims.”
 
When this story broke, the hearts of many people involved in Dominance, submission, Mastery and slavery broke as well.   Chatrooms were filled with discussion about this incident.  Emails were sent all over the net so as many people as possible would be informed.  Very heated debates ensued.  Debates about the safety of a “safe call.”  Debates about whether this incident was indicative of danger confined to BDSM and its many flavors.  Debates.   People were actually debating.
I can see only one reason for these heated debates.  The people who use the Internet exclusively to network a partner cannot allow themselves to face all of the dangerous things they have already done.  They also cannot face all the dangerous things they are planning to do next.. 
If we take the time to look at what motivates people to do what they do, we might uncover the “Mindset of Safety.”
Those of us who have children, teach them from a very young age NOT to go near strangers.  We try to impart this information without scaring them to death but hope we instill enough fear and self-empowerment to understand that the world is not necessarily a safe place.  We need them to be alert, not because we wish to make them feel that danger is lurking around every corner.   We need them to be alert so they can recognize potential danger and protect themselves.  It is also necessary to hammer home the ills of trying to be accepted by agreeing to use drugs.  Peer pressure is a very powerful motivator and drugs can ruin their lives.  So we push on, sometimes gently and sometimes not so gently.  Children do not inherently have a “mindset of safety.”  They view themselves as immortal. Their perception of safe behavior or safe situations is usually directly related to the number of people they know, who got away from any given bad situation.   Bad things always happen to “the other guy.”
This article speaks to women.  Not because I am sexist.  Not because I am unaware that bad things can happen to men.  I speak to women as the higher incidence of abuse, murder and rape occurs with women.
The deaths in Kansas City got me to wondering and thinking a lot about how many women I have met in recent years who have gone to meet men in very non-public places.  These women are by no means stupid.  Some are professional, highly educated women who have children and handle loads of responsibility.  Something happens to them, something serious happens to them.   They sit at a computer and talk to hundreds, perhaps thousands of men.  They consider themselves slaves with no choices even before meeting these men.  They are enslaved by their thoughts and are unable to control themselves and their desires.  They have deep rooted obsessions with what they consider to be their own internal model of perfect Mastery and perfect slavery.
Women fly across the county and leave the airport of arrival holding a printed email containing their “instructions.”   They are already enslaved, have already submitted and are firmly entrenched in a relationship that hasn’t even occurred.  They take cabs to the private residences of “Master Wonderful.” Upon arriving, follow their email instructions to the letter by reaching under a mat for the key  to the door of a man they have never met.  They unlock the door and in the name of personal slavery, read more instructions, strip themselves naked and kneel in the hallway of a man they never met. Other women proceed in the same way and check into hotel rooms, strip themselves naked, blindfold themselves, kneel on the floor and await the arrival of a total stranger.
What causes women to do such things?     How many women do you know have done such things while asking you to be their “safe call” thousands of miles away? Who are these women? What are they thinking?
More often than not the women who fit this profile have never had a D/s or M/s relationship of any measurable duration, or have never had one at all.  They insist that being empowered on any level runs against the model of pure slavery held so dear to their hearts.  There is nothing more powerful than the perfection a mind can create in the face of desperation.  These women are driven to demonstrate submission or slavery without regard for their own safety.  Some have even said that controlling the parameters of a first meeting or exercising any form of personal empowerment would negate their submission and slavery altogether.  They feel that anyone who assumes control of their own actions isn’t “real” and they would rather risk their lives than be untrue to this fantasy driven model they have created.  
There is an interesting similarity between the profile of the “slavemaster” who murdered the women in Kansas and the mind set of the types of women who became their victims. The murderer was characterized as: quiet, a loner.    It has been reported that he attended some social functions like munches, but for the most part he didn’t stand out in a crowd.  There was no mention of him having friendships with anyone.  He isolated himself and planned to isolate whoever was ready and willing to be in his company. 
The women who meet people under very dangerous circumstances are usually also very quiet, loner types.  Their social circles are very small and usually consist of at least one other woman who feels that slavery starts immediately. They need someone to act as a mirror that reflects back to them the same fantasy they are trying to live. Occasionally there is  one   reality-based friend  in their social circle as well.   Those friends serve as the little voice on their shoulder that will NEVER be heard. Reality-based friendship with these women is extremely difficult and often filled with frustration and controversy every time she announces the next trip to see a stranger.  How many people do you know who are like that?  How many of you have tried to maintain friendships with these types of women?  How many of you have given up?  How many of you maintain the friendship in the hope that she will finally listen?  I can no longer associate myself with these women.  I refuse to be a safe call for something happening thousands of miles away. The stress involved in trying to convince them their behavior is skewed is just too big a price to pay for the maintenance of such friendships.
The “mindset of safety” resides in the childlike innocence and immortality I spoke of earlier.  These women have no desire to be beaten, abused or killed.   However, they have no capacity to stop putting themselves in situations where those things might occur.  They view the “edge of submitting to the unknown” so powerful, so in line with their ideal of unconditional slavery, nothing else matters.   The very thought of controlling every aspect of first meetings is truly abhorrent because the incredible fantasy they have woven will not withstand such reality based behavior.  It is not possible to be a slave and say, “no.”   Their “mindset of safety” is solely contained within their own psychology.  They speak of reliance on gut instinct because a “true slave” recognizes their “true Master” immediately. 
The whole thing comes together when a murderer spends enough time on the Internet to learn that these women not only exist, but upon hearing the right words, in the right context they WILLINGLY come to the place of their death.  Naked and desperate with wrists extended…to be shackled into immobility, they will come. They “need” this uncertainty, they are impulsive, desperate.   Serial killers are con men.  They can adapt vernacular and behaviors most suited to the people they find most vulnerable.  Who is more vulnerable than a woman convinced by her own thought patterns,  than one who has profound need and a great sense of accomplishment in immediate, unconditional slavery?
We cannot discount safe calls entirely.  There is widespread controversy about the use of safe calls.  A man need only wait until a call is made or received for HIM to feel safe enough to abuse or murder without interruption.  While I do not advocate the abandonment of safe calls, I do question their effectiveness when someone has traveled a great distance from the safe call.  Can safe calls be a deterrent?  I suppose so but only under circumstances where the man had no intent to harm in the first place.  Do people have such little control over themselves that a safe call is even necessary? I wouldn’t imagine someone needing a safe call in a crowded restaurant.  If the man has met a women with whom he intends to do harm no safe call in the world is going to stop him.  
A healthy and reality based “mindset of safety” may be present if:
Enormous amounts of detail about the man willingly offered and confirmed. Including full name, home and office addresses and phone numbers together with an open invitation to call those numbers at any time.
Meetings occur in very public places with both of them using their own transportation.
Many meetings would occur without any touching or physical behavior going on.
Meetings would include both friends of the man and friends of the woman in purely social settings.
The desire for a partner can be put aside long enough to get to know the person in question.
If submission and slavery can be put aside without regret so that NOTHING complicates or distracts from the process.
Men who insist that the most important aspect of a new relationship is the woman’s ability to call the shots, make the plans, decide where, when and how the meetings will occur can be considered “more safe.”  Not perfectly safe….but MORE safe.
 
Unhealthy or fantasy based “mindset of safety” may be present if:
The woman is more concerned with her slavery or submission than her own safety.
The woman is in an intellectual state of submission or slavery before a first meeting occurs.
The man who issues “instructions” and guilt’s her into thinking that she is not a submissive or a slave if she doesn’t follow those instructions.
The women is so needy, so desperate and so unempowered she CAN be easily guilted.
Insistence that initial meetings take place in the private residence of EITHER party.
Insistence that meetings take place in hotel rooms.
Insistence that meetings occur in secluded places. 
Insistence that meetings be constructed around a “frame” of “instructions.”  The most heinous of which are blindfolds, bondage, nudity and expectations of servitude based on planned physical activity.
Insistence that good friends who are deeply concerned for the health and well-being of their friend:  are wrong. 
Insistence that nobody understands the needs, wants and desires of the women more than the man who has captured her imagination over the Internet or the phone. 
Exclamations like, “I’ve found the man I will spend the rest of my live with!” BEFORE the man has been met.  
 
Authors Note: Upon completion of this article, I have learned that another man in Burbank, California has been arrested for luring women to him from the Internet and sexually assaulting them.  He has posed as a professional baseball player and has also targeted women who are affiliated with the submissive lifestyle. 
Blind submission and slavery to an unknown entity is just that: BLIND.  There is absolutely no reason to trust someone blindly in order to have a submissive need met.  If you are reading this and are of the opinion that your submission or slavery actually hinges on blind faith and blind trust, please turn off your computer and take a good, long hard look at yourself, what you are doing and why.  There is NO element of slavery that identifies with immediate and unconditional surrender.   None.  There are a great many people out there who identify with and live under the D/s or M/s dynamic who do not understand one bit of blind, immediate slavery or surrender.  
Enjoy your fantasies, in the safety and protection of your own home and leave them there when you venture out to meet someone new.  There is no room for fantasy until your safety is confirmed, over and over again.  Only YOU can control your own safety.
 
Wishing E/everyone well
From the MASTER's Desk
MASTER Rocker

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/3/2006 5:43:27 PM   
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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/3/2006 5:52:58 PM   
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You are welcome Hon  - There is someone who needs to read this; just not sure who. But it does keep common sense top priority and SAFE, SANE and CONSENSUAL as a weathervane.
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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/3/2006 9:35:14 PM   
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*hugs back*
Some peope really do need the reminder. I remember just a few years back this going on in Toronto. And another friend, dealing with it while meeting someone in the United States. Too many turn a blind eye and say "it wouldn't happen to me".

Thanks again, I need to copy this down for future reference
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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 12:42:56 AM   
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Its always the ones that take things to extremes and committ illegal acts that say they are sadists or whatever. The vanilla world cannot understand that these are not representatives of the lifestyle but this is what vanilla people think are. They do give us a bad name. These are deranged individuals with psychiatric disorders.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 1:26:47 AM   
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That is one hell of a good post filled with so much good information that I had to cut and paste it just to pass it out to friends who are chatting with their first Doms.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 7:38:11 AM   
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The rest of the world who can not/do not having the information to draw the line between folks like this and us, give us a bad name. The ones who are ignorant, and arrogant enough to not believe they are ignorant. I work every year with 1000's of vanilla's in a BDSM setting...some of the stereotypes and pre-conceptions are amazing, even in the media. But most of  these people come in to DEMYTH these stereotypes, judgements and preconceptions, so I find it more entertaining than insulting.
I had a friend do a tv show, only to have the editors cut and paste to put their own spin on it, journalists who have attending events (such as the one above) who have literally insulted us. One woman (major points to anyone still having the article, as the The Star archived it - October 2005 - Everything To Do With Sex Show) writer, within the FIRST line of her article, insulted every overweight submissive in the lifestyle by centering one out - I don't recall the exact line, I will need to grab the article but she commented on not wanting to see a woman up on a spanking bench who's fat was overflowing. Etc etc.
Guess what? This year there wasn't enough support from the public venues, to attend this year's show, and do demonstrations.

I honestly think those that say 'so and so' and 'such and such' doesn't give us a bad name, has been away from the vanilla's TOO LONG. Time for a reality check.

Sincerely
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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 11:27:51 AM   
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Damn…. Being in D/s lifestyle is like being a Muslim……One moron makes a mistake and the rest of the world goes crazy.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 11:33:55 AM   
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Yep.  And like Muslims, we dress our women up, make them clean, beat them for disobeying, and get blown nightly.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 11:46:33 AM   
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Well, I meant the terrorism part……….Anyway, I have to admit that we, the Muslims, are living a crisis like the medieval Europeans had.

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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 11:50:09 AM   
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I wonder if raiken wrote this, looks like her handwriting.......

Someone wanna ask her?


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RE: Giving Lifestyle a Bad Name - 10/4/2006 11:55:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Master96

Well, I meant the terrorism part……….Anyway, I have to admit that we, the Muslims, are living a crisis like the medieval Europeans had.

Master96,


Did the plague come back?

Seriously, I have nothing against Muslims, I'm just being an ass, which I do well, apparently.

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