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NorthernGent -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 5:41:52 AM)

Level,

Well, maybe there is a tendency to get carried away at times when trying to point out the short-comings of some so-called Christians - quite possibly a result of frustration, disbelief and knowing that logical, reasoned argument doesn't work with some.

For me the key issue is this  - if a person, any person, supports bombing campaigns, discrimination and can't show charity to others whether it be on grounds of wealth, need, sexual persuasion, gender, race, religion they they are just wasting theirs and everyone elses time by trying to gain some kudos by calling themselves Christians.

However, I'm all for the Christians who actually practice what they preach and are fair-minded, charitable and humanitarian - in fact, I would actively encourage more of these Chrisitians in the world because ultimately what matters is your own personal values rather than the religion or political ideology you identify yourself with. If we had more people with these values around the world would be a much more stable place.

Regards



Level -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 5:43:16 AM)

Agreed again, BA. I'm afraid I'm letting myself get snarky here, there's good and bad everywhere.



philosophy -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 5:43:29 AM)

i've always had the utmost respect for quakers..........christians who take that whole 'thou shalt not kill' thing literally.



Level -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 5:45:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Level,

Well, maybe there is a tendency to get carried away at times when trying to point out the short-comings of some so-called Christians - quite possibly a result of frustration, disbelief and knowing that logical, reasoned argument doesn't work with some.

For me the key issue is this  - if a person, any person, supports bombing campaigns, discrimination and can't show charity to others whether it be on grounds of wealth, need, sexual persuasion, gender, race, religion they they are just wasting theirs and everyone elses time by trying to gain some kudos by calling themselves Christians.

However, I'm all for the Christians who actually practice what they preach and are fair-minded, charitable and humanitarian - in fact, I would actively encourage more of these Chrisitians in the world because ultimately what matters is your own personal values rather than the religion or political ideology you identify yourself with. If we had more people with these values around the world would be a much more stable place.

Regards


Some valid and good points, Gent.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 9:29:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Honestly, I haven't seen any Christian-bashing.


I am not attempting to dilute your other points, but wanted to point out some recent statements made in the last couple of days. 
Change the word “Christian” to “Jew”  and you’d be joining Mel Gibson’s dilemma.


Thread Name:  Oh Those Charming Christians

Quote: “Yeah, well we keep voting for those assholes”
Quote: “I love Christians. Everyone should own a few of them. If they bore you just feed them to the lions!”
Quote:  “It seems like it's always "Baptists" that are always causing the problems!”
Quote: “Little news article about Xian fanatics destroying ' evil ' petroglyphs”
Quote:  “I can't wait until we have enough REAL Christians in congress so we can renew the Crusades.”
Thread Name:  Religion of Religious Intolerance and Violence:

Quote:  “Why is it that whever anyone wants to justify a war, they go to the "Holy Books" (rhetorical question)”
Quote:  “Psychologically I'd have to say that they are generally uninformed agressive children with a propensity towards bullyinmg any who disagree with them in the bodies of adults of all ages.”



LotusSong -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 9:38:27 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie





    Thread Name:  Religion of Religious Intolerance and Violence:

    Quote:  “Why is it that whenever anyone wants to justify a war, they go to the "Holy Books" (rhetorical question)”






        I was referring to EVERYONE.. I didn't single anyone out.  But gee!  I had a quote worth referring to??? !  I now officially ROCK!



        Lordandmaster -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 10:24:02 AM)

        The first one was my quote, and I wasn't calling Christians assholes.  I was calling candidates for public office who want to create a Christian theocracy in America assholes.  If a Jewish politician ran on a comparable platform, I'd call him an asshole, too.

        quote:

        ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

        Change the word “Christian” to “Jew”  and you’d be joining Mel Gibson’s dilemma.

        Thread Name:  Oh Those Charming Christians

        Quote: “Yeah, well we keep voting for those assholes”



        gypsyssoul -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 9:31:10 PM)

        :: smiles
        ok .. but who drank all the margie's ??
        ... ownedgirlie?
        didn't save me a nut .. ? ... last time i make perfect margies .. and serve
        salted nuts ...
         
        Sticking with the whole .. do what you will .. harm none
        and remember always .. what you do to others .. comes back to you 
        that . .. being the good the bad ... ewwwwww and the ugly
        times 3 .. so if she was really ugly the next day ... ewww imagine
        hinesight  3 days later ..
        but honestly ..
        can't we all just get a long ? ..
         



        TreSwank -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 9:52:00 PM)

        I found this amusing excerpt from a Jim-Goad essay, that (facetiously) demonstrated the differences between  machismo-driven Muslim prophets, and Christ.  Jim Goad is ALWAYS an incendiary writer, so I'd like to remind any of my gay brothers that this is NOT to be taken seriously.

        "Unlike the vaguely faggy virgin Jesus, the Prophet Muhammad was a stud-muffin. Hung like Allah, too, I'll bet. Here was a religious leader with a robust enjoyment of carnal delights. He liked 'em young and tight. He liked 'em old and loose. He liked 'em, period. But he didn't like 'em if they had their period, 'coz that's disgusting. While the homo Christ chose to laze around with twelve other males, Muhammad plowed through at least a dozen wives, plus scads of hot, horny slave chicks. He married a six-year-old girl when he was 51. He died at 62 on the lap of a 17-year-old bride. A true pimp daddy, Muhammad was. The Original Gangsta.
        And his followers were nearly as burly as the Prophet himself. His cousin Ali wisely stated that "The entire woman is evil....Men, never ever obey your women....They complain of being oppressed when in fact it is they who oppress." Omar, Islam's second caliph, counseled Muslim guys to "Adopt positions opposite those of women. There is great merit in such opposition." Indeed, these were men of great wisdom and holiness. Righteous bro's. Ain't no fun if the homies can't have none!
        And I want some. I want some sultry Saudi sirens. Some cock-hungry Kuwaiti cuties. A classy Pakistani lassie with a sassy chassis."



        ownedgirlie -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 10:18:40 PM)

        quote:

        ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

        The first one was my quote, and I wasn't calling Christians assholes.  I was calling candidates for public office who want to create a Christian theocracy in America assholes.  If a Jewish politician ran on a comparable platform, I'd call him an asshole, too.

        quote:

        ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

        Change the word “Christian” to “Jew”  and you’d be joining Mel Gibson’s dilemma.

        Thread Name:  Oh Those Charming Christians

        Quote: “Yeah, well we keep voting for those assholes”


        Thanks for clearing that up, LAM.  And I agree, there are assholes in every genre.  There just seemed to be such a tilt lately, maybe it was my mood but it was getting to me.  I apparently misunderstood your comment.



        ownedgirlie -> RE: Any other religion? (8/27/2006 10:20:20 PM)

        quote:

        ORIGINAL: gypsyssoul

        :: smiles
        ok .. but who drank all the margie's ??
        ... ownedgirlie?
        didn't save me a nut .. ? ... last time i make perfect margies .. and serve
        salted nuts ...
         
        Sticking with the whole .. do what you will .. harm none
        and remember always .. what you do to others .. comes back to you 
        that . .. being the good the bad ... ewwwwww and the ugly
        times 3 .. so if she was really ugly the next day ... ewww imagine
        hinesight  3 days later ..
        but honestly ..
        can't we all just get a long ? ..
         


        ~ hiccup~

        I'll take another :)

        And yes, to get along would be splendid...and even those espousing peace could be mindful of remaining peaceful themselves. 



        BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 3:24:25 AM)

        quote:

        ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

        quote:

        ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

        Honestly, I haven't seen any Christian-bashing.


        I am not attempting to dilute your other points, but wanted to point out some recent statements made in the last couple of days. 
        Change the word “Christian” to “Jew”  and you’d be joining Mel Gibson’s dilemma.


        Thread Name:  Oh Those Charming Christians

        Quote: “Yeah, well we keep voting for those assholes”
        Quote: “I love Christians. Everyone should own a few of them. If they bore you just feed them to the lions!”
        Quote:  “It seems like it's always "Baptists" that are always causing the problems!”
        Quote: “Little news article about Xian fanatics destroying ' evil ' petroglyphs”
        Quote:  “I can't wait until we have enough REAL Christians in congress so we can renew the Crusades.”

          Thread Name:  Religion of Religious Intolerance and Violence:

          Quote:  “Why is it that whever anyone wants to justify a war, they go to the "Holy Books" (rhetorical question)”
          Quote:  “Psychologically I'd have to say that they are generally uninformed agressive children with a propensity towards bullyinmg any who disagree with them in the bodies of adults of all ages.”






              If you read the news article that I had linked, the heading reads " Christian zealots destroy ancient Arctic petroglyphs ", so now it is wrong to call a spade a spade?  Should it have read " Concerned Moralists Eradicate Vile Satanic Graffitti, bringing Peace and Love to Arctic Natives " ?



              BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 3:42:06 AM)

              Christian Humanitarians spread message of love in Manipur temple. Assist 5 into Ascension to Heaven.
               
              http://news.sulekha.com/newsanalysisdisplay.aspx?cid=83243

              There, better?



              ownedgirlie -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 8:16:09 AM)

              quote:

              ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

              Christian Humanitarians spread message of love in Manipur temple. Assist 5 into Ascension to Heaven.
               
              http://news.sulekha.com/newsanalysisdisplay.aspx?cid=83243

              There, better?

              What would have balanced things out is if you had selected an article from the plethora of information available which demonstrates all the charity the Christian church does in this country and others.  If one read all that is spoken here, one might think that not one Christian person did one good deed on this earth.  What we are seeing here is hardly a full picture.



              Lashra -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 8:23:16 AM)

              I belong to the religion known as S&M, we meet in a dungeon and have prayer meeting beatings, revivals (hang a sub on the cross and more beatings!) and an outreach program (grab a masochist and beat the hell out of 'em).

              I am a High Priestess and we have alot of fun. Ok this is something I just made up but it sounds like a hell of alot of fun.[;)]

              ~Lashra



              ownedgirlie -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 8:34:33 AM)

              http://www.rope.org.uk/newsasiascambodia.html

              http://www.pamoja-child-trust.org/

              http://www.msm.org.uk/shall_house.htm

              http://www.appledumplincamp.org/

              http://www.enabletech.org/

              http://gwhfh.org/

              http://www.greendoor.org/

              http://www.goodshepherdrehab.org/

              http://www.guesthouseofmilwaukee.org/

              http://www.katrinasangels.org/

              http://www.mkpeace.org/


              (I only got up to the M's in the directory I was referencing, but this gives you an idea.)

              Mind you, I am not an advocate of all Christians.  My favorite bumper sticker is, "Dear God, please save me from your people."  (funny, huh?)  But it gets old seeing thread after thread, with post after post, demonizing an entire group of people.  It is a skewed point of view to lump everyone into one pile and slap a definition to it.



              BrutalAntipathy -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 8:43:31 AM)

              quote:

              ORIGINAL: Lashra

              I belong to the religion known as S&M, we meet in a dungeon and have prayer meeting beatings, revivals (hang a sub on the cross and more beatings!) and an outreach program (grab a masochist and beat the hell out of 'em).

              I am a High Priestess and we have alot of fun. Ok this is something I just made up but it sounds like a hell of alot of fun.[;)]

              ~Lashra


              My kinda religion! Cum, let us prey.



              Level -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 12:19:57 PM)

              quote:

              ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

              http://www.rope.org.uk/newsasiascambodia.html

              http://www.pamoja-child-trust.org/

              http://www.msm.org.uk/shall_house.htm

              http://www.appledumplincamp.org/

              http://www.enabletech.org/

              http://gwhfh.org/

              http://www.greendoor.org/

              http://www.goodshepherdrehab.org/

              http://www.guesthouseofmilwaukee.org/

              http://www.katrinasangels.org/

              http://www.mkpeace.org/


              (I only got up to the M's in the directory I was referencing, but this gives you an idea.)

              Mind you, I am not an advocate of all Christians.  My favorite bumper sticker is, "Dear God, please save me from your people."  (funny, huh?)  But it gets old seeing thread after thread, with post after post, demonizing an entire group of people.  It is a skewed point of view to lump everyone into one pile and slap a definition to it.


              Good work, owned [:)]. Here's another link:

              "Pope Benedict XVI warned that damage to the environment had dire consequences for the poor and called for all Christians to work to save the earth."

              http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060827/en_afp/vaticanpopeenvironment_060827192100



              ownedgirlie -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 7:30:03 PM)

              Thank you, Level :)



              arissa -> RE: Any other religion? (8/28/2006 8:06:13 PM)

              Strolling thru the posts on "Casual Banter" I came across this one and would like to add my two cents. I'm Wicca, I do not bash other Faith's, I believe we are ALL equal, we just believe differently. I was born and raised Catholic, my step-Father although was Buddhist
              (how’s that for a mixture) but was lucky enough to have parents that urged me to search for my own Faith, and trust me; I tried a few, to include Muslim, Judaism, Buddhist and was Catholic for a very long time. I happened onto Wicca and found it “fit” me, I’m eclectic in the sense of what I practice, but I don’t believe in all the so called hype about it. Why do we have to make known what we believe, isn’t it good enough that we ourselves know what we think and feel about Faith. I do not belong to a Coven, but I have many many friends who believe as I do, we just do not flaunt it. I don’t go about telling other who “enlightened” I am, or the differences between white and black magick, I just practice what I feel is right for me, and don’t really care what others think of me.
              The reason for this post is to, as I said, add my two cents, and to just say, what ever you believe, what ever you think, what ever Deity you feel is right, don’t judge others just because they don’t think along the same lines as you

              A personal note to TreSwank, if the Wicca’s tick you off so much, and you don’t believe as they do, just ignore them. Besides, if they really are Wicca, they will understand you don’t wanna hear it and leave you alone



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