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Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:12:50 PM)

As to how many were supporting families it wasn't specific but it does cite that
Half were under 25 and one fourth were 16-19.

The rest of the report is linked above



servitude69 -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:13:01 PM)

Can I get some fries with that???



badkat -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:19:09 PM)

you know once you time out of unemployment you are no longer considered unemployed..  odd how that is isnt it?  how many people have lost their jobs and run out of unemployment i wonder?

as for the best time in our country to find a job servitude?  i live in the cleveland area....in the last 3 years cleveland has laid off over 1000 teachers and like 300-400 police and firemen.  weve lost 3000+ jobs from ford....the list goes on and on...these are people who are losing their houses because while highly trained they cant find jobs in their fields and when they apply for other jobs they are considered over qualified...these are the people in cleveland who are fighting for those min or slightly above min wage jobs here...




Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:23:08 PM)

So lets look at the size of this problem for perspective, less than 1% of the entire population of working Americans make minimum wage. So considering the number of workers we've all seen that are slackers, or don't show up for work regularly or things along thos lines how hard can it be to be in the top 99% of wage earners.



LTRsubNW -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:24:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Minimum wage is a joke!
I'm fairly conservative but I have no problem raising it up to a meaningfull, realistic level like $18 per hour.
That would be good for the economy, people who make that would buy furniture, cars, appliances and houses/condos.
What the hell is someone supposed to buy on $5.15 per hour when rents are $1,200?


First of all, that's absurd.

Second of all, not all rents are at concurrent rates.

Nevertheless, Henry Ford doubled a mans wage (sorry girls...that's the way it was back then) back in the early years.  And he found (in fact he intended as such) that his own employees could finally afford the product they manufactured.

Paying a man what he's worth is never expensive.

Inflation will always find its way...as will cost increases...but...

A (person) should be able to pay their own way.

$5.00 an hour doesn't allow that.



badkat -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:24:23 PM)

so those that are making 5.20 an hour arent slackers?



servitude69 -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:25:46 PM)

Milwaukee is much like Cleveland. We are also in the so called "rust belt" None of this has any thing to do about the minmum wage being raised. i had to move to anther city back in the day to get my job. Others might have to move to more properous areas of the country if that is what it takes.



LTRsubNW -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:26:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Let's say the CEOs ease back a little, and some don't get a 3.8 million dollar golden parachute for nearly bankrupting a going  concern as well as the company paying their medical insurance for the next nine years.....little things like that.

We could even start cutting into them a little, say a dollar an hour, I know, end of the italian marble dick washer and roller, but hey we all gotta tighten our belts.
Ron


(That was rather chaotic...I'm not at all sure what Ron was attempting).



Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:27:43 PM)

Depends badkat how long they been workin there? LOL
2 months maybe not a slacker, 6 months a bit more likely, 4 years likely getting paid what they are worth.



LTRsubNW -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:28:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer
Of those paid by the hour, 520,000 were reported as earning exactly $5.15, ..."


And your point is?



Level -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:30:07 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Minimum wage is a joke!
I'm fairly conservative but I have no problem raising it up to a meaningfull, realistic level like $18 per hour.
That would be good for the economy, people who make that would buy furniture, cars, appliances and houses/condos.
What the hell is someone supposed to buy on $5.15 per hour when rents are $1,200?


First of all, that's absurd.

Second of all, not all rents are at concurrent rates.

Nevertheless, Henry Ford doubled a mans wage (sorry girls...that's the way it was back then) back in the early years.  And he found (in fact he intended as such) that his own employees could finally afford the product they manufactured.

Paying a man what he's worth is never expensive.

Inflation will always find its way...as will cost increases...but...

A (person) should be able to pay their own way.

$5.00 an hour doesn't allow that.


I think you and popeye agree, unless I'm misreading something.



Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:31:10 PM)

Employers compete for employees the same way as any other competition, if you have 1,000 employees per unskilled job then maybe they can pay minimum and keep it that way. But if anyone else is looking for employees then they tend to have to pay more. They pay what they have to to get and keep quality workers.



Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:33:36 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer
Of those paid by the hour, 520,000 were reported as earning exactly $5.15, ..."


And your point is?


And my point is NOBODY is making minimum wage, that's less than 1% of all workers. it's a non problem.

Half a million people, 1/4 of them 16-19 year old students.



mnottertail -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:35:25 PM)

in reply to where the money might come from and a recent CEO firing... we talked about this minimum wage before and my stance is on it.  



LTRsubNW -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:45:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Archer

But come on folks BLS 2004 report showed a just over 1/2 a million people nationwide working at minimum wage.

"According to Current Population Survey estimates for 2004, some 73.9 million American workers were paid at hourly rates, representing 59.8 percent of all wage and salary workers.1 Of those paid by the hour, 520,000 were reported as earning exactly $5.15, ..."


Archer, not everyone is surrounded by 295, or...an economy that with nominal effort...is thriving...and will continue to do so for many decades to come regardless of any effort on your part.

Atlanta's a nice place (too hot for my tastes, besides...you have far too many one way streets...and I'm confused enough already in my own town).

Seattle has similar benefits (plus a few....we have this local company and every time someone spends $200.00 on software....$125.00 finds it's way back here).

It's a good place to be.

You argue that not only is the minimum wage a non issue (indeed, a frustrating one)...you also argue that the number is too few to have any consequence.  I would argue that those folks making a minimum wage would have some reason to debate you.

I'm fully aware that the world around us has come to the table and they are without question more than willing to bring products to our shores at prices that few could argue with. 

I simply suggest that (with some exceptions...and they're remarkably limited)  a general laborer who's making $5.00+ an hour...in the worst most dug out hamlets we lay claim to in this country...can't get started.

That's all I'm saying.

(It's not enough).







Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:50:43 PM)

A bus ticket to a city where they have opportunity is not too costly, look at those that are spending their entire life savings to cross oceans to have the opportunity and those in backward hamlets less than 400 miles from opportunity can't take a bus to a city where opportunity is more available?

What I'm sayting is there are millions of excuses people will give for not moving to where the opportunities are, and all but a few of them hold no water when I hear them.




Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:51:54 PM)

But I'll certainly agree we have way to many one way streets here in ATL. LOL



Archer -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:54:08 PM)

Overall though I use the statistics as proof that the market forces have already raised the defacto minimum wage due to increased competition for workers, and that trend will continue, since the Baby Boomers are retiring and the cometition for workers is only going to increase without anything being done to the minimum wage law.



gardenia100 -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 7:56:50 PM)

Should minimum wage be increased, yes.  Will everything else go up to correspond to that increase, most definitely and then some.  It’s a simple fact of supply and demand.  Those living at minimum wage for the most part are unskilled workers and if they wish to change their situation, they need to get some skills that are needed in the area they live in and market them accordingly.  Ever since I believe, it was Regan was president unemployment has had unrealistic numbers.  Or government decided at that point to add the military, both active duty and reserve into our unemployment statistics.  Prior to that time military was not counted in the figures, that really changes the numbers.  In addition, they started not counting those who were not actively seeking through the local unemployment offices.  What if you are a couple of hours from the local unemployment office think you get in there once a week to make sure your one of the statistics? 
Minimum wage is a needed part of our society.  So are those workers who are willing to work for less then minimum wage.  Many of you keep referring to McDonalds, let’s use them.  What happened to the $2.99 value meal?  Has anyone noticed that value meal prices very from area to area?  Higher wages in most parts of the country.  Employers will pay what they are forced to in order to get the skill level they require.  If they can hire a sufficient work force for $5.15 and hour then why pay more? 
If you wish to hear more its three hours a week for 15 weeks.  Takes place every semester at the cost of around $350.00 plus another $125.00 for the textbook.  That’s my price.  Basic supply and demand.  LOL
Don't remember who it was back through the pages but China is moving to a free trade economic system.  More so then we are here in the United States.  If you take a good look at our economic system we are extremely regulated by our government, not as much as we use to say back in the 70's, then the government controlled the price of everything.  Today then, still control more then you realize just because you don't take a good look at how things move through the system.  Take milk for example, farmers still only get pennies per gallon from the milk processors.  The government kicks in a set amount to help the farmers out but what is the current price at the store?  Who’s making out there?  Not the farmers, their not the ones who have gotten the increase that we pay at the store.

PS.  Good source all this is a documentary put together by PBS called, "The Commanding Heights". 

Hey, this is just my opinion.  Take it or leave it.  I just do spend a lot of time talking, discussing and debating this every week.

Barbara



LTRsubNW -> RE: Minimum Wage (8/27/2006 8:02:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

A bus ticket to a city where they have opportunity is not too costly, look at those that are spending their entire life savings to cross oceans to have the opportunity and those in backward hamlets less than 400 miles from opportunity can't take a bus to a city where opportunity is more available?

What I'm sayting is there are millions of excuses people will give for not moving to where the opportunities are, and all but a few of them hold no water when I hear them.


Yes, but for one thing Archer...some people don't have your capacity.

I would never suggest a worldwide hammock for those who refuse and opt to retire.  I'm simply suggesting that there are some who, try as they might, will never rise to your level.

And yes...I agree, no one is owed more than an opportunity.

Some aren't getting even that.

I suggest we do more to insure everyone gets a shot.

(That's all).



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