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RE: released and lost - 8/29/2006 9:11:33 PM   
MasterNdorei


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Suzanne~*
  i just want to say it in a public forum
YOU ROCK!!!!!

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RE: released and lost - 8/30/2006 1:17:54 AM   
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quote:

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I'm guessin' someone fell in love here......


I'm guessing someone was used here.  That's the word that comes to mind when I hear the word "trainer".



Thank you.  "Training Master", oh please ... soliciting here?  (Isn't there a waiting list for the REAL ones, lol?) 

Let the Master who actually wants you for keeps train you. 

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RE: released and lost - 8/30/2006 1:35:31 AM   
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Not all trainers are in for the easy nab, some like to teach and like myself prefer to assist a new Dom polish his skills. About the only real things I can ever see someone training a sub for someone else would be obedience training and possibly finishing school type things.

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RE: released and lost - 8/30/2006 2:20:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: shadevarr

Not all trainers are in for the easy nab, some like to teach and like myself prefer to assist a new Dom polish his skills. About the only real things I can ever see someone training a sub for someone else would be obedience training and possibly finishing school type things.


My arguement with your statement is that Your obedience desires are most likely different than another's.  And "finishing school type things"?  Good luck training grace ... "My Fair Lady" and "Pretty Woman" are fantasies. 

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RE: released and lost - 8/31/2006 7:56:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei

Suzanne~*
i just want to say it in a public forum
YOU ROCK!!!!!

Hey Hon,
You are way too kind.  I'm so touched by your message. Thank you very much indeed!
I think you're totally cool too chickie.
Suzanne

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RE: released and lost - 8/31/2006 11:27:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Hmmm..... trainer... someone looking for a little fun on the side.... that's how I personally define it.

No if you need training... or want training... it should come from the one who is going to keep you...



My initial reaction when reading the OP was "Ooops.....somebody's wife just found out!"  But, in all fairness, there are many who, coming into this lifestyle for the first time, seek to be trainned.  We look at ourselves, and our immense lack of knowledge about any of this and think that we need someone to teach us so that we can get ourselves ready for "the One".  We also read from some places (mostly men that don't want to ever be in a lasting committment) that "trainners" are necessary because they will introduce you to others and help keep the creeps away.  BS

In all reality, "the One" most probably would need to undo any training a previous Dominant would do as his/her preferences would, in all likelihood, be much different. 

If you are looking to play.....go involve yourself in your local scene.  If you are looking for "the One", just like in any other relationship, don't get involved with any short term prospects unless you see potential.  We keep forgetting how much BDSM, with all the D/s components, is like any other relationship (but different....lol).  If looking for "the One" would you date a married person?  If you are looking for a polyamorous relationship and his/her wife knew and was part of the dynamic, that's all fine too.  Know what you want and go for it. 

And, don't jump at the chance to be collared any more quickly than you'd become engaged to someone.  Take your time.  Read, ask questions, meet lots of people and read.

Velcro collars in this lifestyle abound.

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RE: released and lost - 9/1/2006 12:09:05 PM   
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I am not trying to belittle your feelings of loss here. Loss is what it is. It hurts.

What i dont understand is the concept of being owned by a Trainer. A Trainer serves a very specific purpose and is usually short term. I have had 3 Trainers over the many years i have been in the lifestyle. I am still working with one. I have never been owned by any of them. A Trainer is not the same as an Owner. Both are very different types of relationships. They have and do serve the purpose of training one very specific things. With all the Trainers i have had in the past, we worked out an outline of what i was to be taught. Negotiated how they planned on teaching the said techniques or skills, and went from there.

One trainer i have been working with for over a year, while collared and owned to a Master for 6yrs. Working with her was done after He and i discussed what we felt i needed and desired to learn. We talked about who would be the best person to give me such instruction (As being man, somethings he is not qulaified and has little no no experience in) He contacted her, we all discussed what i sought to learn, spoke about what she had to offer and whether or not she was willing to work with us. What i have been taught has been successful thus far.

When it comes time for a Trainer and trainee to part ways, as is always inevitable.. .just like in shcool, you graduate kindergarden,leave that teacher and move on to 1st grade and another teacher. Sometimes it can be emotional on the part of the sub, as submissives can and do sometimes form attachments to thier trainer.

However a good, ethical trainer does well not to cross the line between being a Trainer, and being something... well not a Trainer. Both must decide what a trainer is and isnt. A Trainer is a teacher, mentor in many areas, instructor. A Trainer is not an Owner, Lover, or equal peer.

The relationship with my last owner of over 6yrs was not as succcessful. To make matters harder... i asked for my release several months ago, but my previous owner is also my husband. Now that is truly a sense of loss. To be in love with and care for your husband, but to have to come to a point where you can no longer trust or respect them as a dominant to the point of asking for release after 6yrs.





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RE: released and lost - 9/1/2006 12:35:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Hmmm..... trainer... someone looking for a little fun on the side.... that's how I personally define it.

No if you need training... or want training... it should come from the one who is going to keep you...


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RE: released and lost - 9/1/2006 12:38:18 PM   
MasterRenegade77


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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Hmmm..... trainer... someone looking for a little fun on the side.... that's how I personally define it.

No if you need training... or want training... it should come from the one who is going to keep you...




Let's try this again, I was going to add that I agree w/you 100% , if anyone's going to train you it should be in a Long Term Relationship not in a temp arrangement!!!


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RE: released and lost - 9/1/2006 7:44:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subgurl123

i just lost got released from my training Master he said it was no fault  of my own he just want to devote more time to his family. now i dont know to feel i am in ways still under his training because it is all i know and now i am here with no
direction and i feel so lost


Once again I shudder to something I read here. 

subgurl,   The only person making you lost is yourself.  The only training you need can be done by yourself.  Though I am unsure where in this lifestyle you see yourself in, you are the one responsible for your own safety, your own happiness, and your own knowledge.

I keep saying this, but here goes.. Find a lifestyle meeting in your local area.  Attend something set up for newbies to the lifestyle.  Talk to people and ask questions.   Do not settle for less than what you are worth. 

And by all means, do not make a Dom responsible for the direction you take in your life.  We are all responsible for our own choices.

Take your time.
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RE: released and lost - 9/2/2006 10:38:40 AM   
afeathr


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quote:

ORIGINAL: truesub4u

Hmmm..... trainer... someone looking for a little fun on the side.... that's how I personally define it.

No if you need training... or want training... it should come from the one who is going to keep you...



Short and to the point.  Well said.  I couldn't agree more.

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 2:13:00 AM   
slave4Darby3d


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However you came to have a "training" Master, and whatever reason he chose to release you - the fact of the matter is that you feel hurt.  You crawled inside that feeling of belonging to someone and liked it.  Be careful with that.  If the arrangement is that he will train you - that is all you can ALLOW yourself to engage him for.

when you meet your true Master, and only you will know him, then you will belong.

Until then, you cannot be truly lost - you have yet to be found by Him.

use the experience to deepen your understanding of yourself, your submission, and your needs.

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 4:04:50 AM   
ownedjulia


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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I've never understood the entire "training" thing either.  Whom are you being trained for?  Your "training" will most likely have to be redone.  Each Dominant has specific likes/dislikes.  There is no universal "training" that will work for every Dominant you encounter.  It's another way for naive people to get taken advantage of.


Well said. each Master is going to have different requirements. Much better to find a longer term Master who will dedicate time to training and moulding to exactly what HE wants. It's much more worthwile that way.


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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 5:19:27 AM   
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Ok... I had a trainer - contract, collar and all. He taught me a LOT of things. I was under his care for nearly a year. We completed the contract's terms and parted on good terms. I am still close friends with his slave - who some time later, moved on herself.

When we first began, I knew nothing - except for one thing. I knew I didn't want to be his girlfriend, or anything like that. I wanted someone I knew and felt comfortable with to show me what things felt like, to attend functions with, to rely on when I needed to. He was all of that. Both he and his slave were all of that to me. I loved them dearly. I still feel that way about her. It wasn't that lovey dovey kind of emotion. It was and is a love that survives because the people are damn good friends.

When our contract was over, nothing much changed. I still went places with them, still relied on him, still asked him what he thought when I was in a quandry. They slowly took me with them to less and less functions and I slowly made my way out into the larger public arena without them. During that process, I mulled over all he'd taught. I kept the things that made sense to me for me...and dropped the things that were intrinsically "him."  I was looking for my own personalized view of bdsm, and specifically D/s.

I don't generally go along with the whole, "when you meet someone new, he'll train you to his ways" point of view. To me, being sure of my views are important when meeting new people. I don't want to be the leaf in the wind, blown this way and that, never knowing where I really stand. I preferred to be the willow tree, being able to bend to each I may come across in my life, but still having roots that ground me and give me a base from which to work.

So, when our training relationship ended, I took time to take stock of my life, my views and all that stuff. I believe the training I received back then made me a better person, regardless of the fact that it was one of those hated "training" relationships. I got to experience a number of ways of playing; I got to lose a number of fears of mine and face more than a few others down; I got to develop my confidence, make acquaintances who would eventually become my friends and realize my committment to this life I choose to lead.

My friendship with him didn't fare so well afterwards. Other things, got in the way and eventually, I just had to step back. But it doesn't negate the things he did do when I was with him.

Not a bad deal at all - for a training situation.

Oh, and hey! NICE job helping someone through a time in their life where they're questioning everything and feeling pretty confused! I'm sure the OP can take heart over all the well-wishers and helpful comments regarding the inanity of her choices. Bet it makes her feel SO much better.

subgurl, take your time. Like I said, it helped me immensely to continue the actions and activities I'd been engaging in while with him until I could comfortably stand back and assume the decision making once again. This will give you time to examine what was good and what was not so good in the things he taught. You'll eventually be able to personalize his training and take what you need and leave the rest. As you move on, you'll come to a greater understanding of the worth and quality of his training. Perhaps it'll be good. Perhaps not. Either way though, time helps, and the greatest thing you can do for yourself right now is allow yourself the time and patience to do the work you have to do.

juliet

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 10:10:44 AM   
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Life is tough and finding the right lover/master/owner is hard and the journey is sometimes painful. It is that way even for vanilla people.

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 10:13:41 AM   
Lordandmaster


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Wasn't she using him too?  What else is a "training master," anyway, if not "someone who's going to give me some badly needed attention until I find someone ELSE to devote myself to"?

It's not always just the dom who's the user.

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ORIGINAL: DesertRat

quote:

ORIGINAL: KatyLied

quote:

I'm guessin' someone fell in love here......


I'm guessing someone was used here.  That's the word that comes to mind when I hear the word "trainer".



That was my thought, too. Great minds, and all that. And now there's a chance she could meet another user, if that was the case.

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 1:02:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Wasn't she using him too?  ....
...It's not always just the dom who's the user.



You all say that like it's a bad thing. If he's using her and she's using him and they are happy about it, then use isn't such a bad thing. When things end, they end...Then it's up to each of them to move on in whatever capacity they can and have. "Use" can be a good thing.

juliet

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 2:00:28 PM   
ayasha


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subgurl - one hopes you ignore all but two or three replies to your post.  Keep in mind that very few here are Master/slave; some are Dominant/submissive; many are BDSM; and then there are just the players or curiousity seekers. 

Those that do not understand Training Masters are obviously not M/s.  That does not make them good or bad, right or wrong, it is just a difference in beliefs. 

If you wish to discuss this with someone that understands, feel free to message this one and we can chat on IM.  one wishes you the best, ayasha 

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 6:51:16 PM   
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Yes, but I don't think that's how the other people meant it.  I'm just a little tired of the handy stereotype that all these big bad doms are out there taking advantage of poor innocent subs.  It takes two to tango, children.

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ORIGINAL: julietsierra

You all say that like it's a bad thing. If he's using her and she's using him and they are happy about it, then use isn't such a bad thing. When things end, they end...Then it's up to each of them to move on in whatever capacity they can and have. "Use" can be a good thing.

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RE: released and lost - 9/3/2006 7:13:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bandit25

twice is right, hun.  You need to find all of these things out BEFORE you get involved.  I don't really understand training Masters anyway.  I mean, train you for what?  Doesn't the Master you choose train you?


Hello All,

I keep seeing the slams and/or non-understanding.  I am and have been a training Domme. I take those who know who and what they are yet need to explore it further. Some do not truly understand how the life works and they learn through Me. At times, this leads to ownership and at others, not. Some have only experience with sessioning, find it unfulfilling and seek to live the life. Wwe all had to begin/learn somewhere whether it be through reading, a friend, or a trainer. I especially do this when My life does not allow for a 24/7.

Thanks for the space and time!

MM

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