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Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 4:26:53 PM   
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I recently started seeing a man who identifies himself as asexual. He is a few years older than me (I'm 21, he's 24), and he has never had sex.  We both switch equally and regularly.

He informed me right away that he is moderately asexual. He enjoys pleasing me, but is not turned on by the idea of vaginal intercourse. He enjoyed the blowjob I gave him, and I have also given him a couple of handjobs, but no sex. He doesn't have a problem getting hard, but when it comes to sex itself he loses his erection and can't continue. Also, when I give hand/blow jobs he doesn't come.

He has also confessed that he has a very hard time relaxing enough to come, as in he can't let go. He gets nervous and anxious about it, so he holds back.

He has told me if we become serious he will try to go on something like viagra, or a similar pill. I want sex, and he wants to give it to me, but can't. Would viagra (or other erection medication) work in this situation?

Is there anything I can do to help him out without giving up and heading right for medication? I like the guy, he fits my needs for things like bdsm, but I don't know if I can go without sex for too long, as I have always enjoyed it in the past with other partners.


So any advice would be wonderful. Thank you!
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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 4:35:52 PM   
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I don't know if you think you are, or could, be in love with this person. But - I was married to someone for 15  years I am now convinced was asexual. We stopped having sex after we'd been maried for about 4 years. That left 11 years with no sex (with 1 year when I had an extra-marital affair). *Yes, I was told Viagra can work - if they are willing to take it on any ongoing basis (which my husband was not. He didn't want any sex - he just disliked it I guess). I don't know a lot about your situation, and I do think seeing a doctor sounds like a good idea, personally.  I am sure it's not his fault, and if he wants to change the situation, that's great.

I am sorry to sound one-sided. Maybe he is not asexual, but simply inexperienced? He does sound willing, and that is good. But - if he really just doesn't like sex, "things" can go either way, I suppose. In my case, they did not turn out well. In your case, things could be different. He is "into" bdsm, so that's something to consider. But - even so,

I suggest you consider if a lack of enthusiasm for sex this is what you want to put up with in the long-term. When I married, I had no clue the person was asexual, as he, too, was "putting up with" sex, and faking it pretty well. I found it a little strange his enthusiasm level was noticeably lower than mine, but didn't inquire further, and spent the next decade and a half wishing I had.

If you are okay with a minimal amount of affection, or if he pleases you in other ways, and that substitution is fine with you, then great. At least he's being up-front with you. But there are so many people out there who actually enjoy sex, I encourage you to truly think things through before devoting yourself seriously to this person. He sounds like he does have redeeming qualities as a "friend".

This is probably none of my business, and I realize that. But, I feel strongly about this, and have known people who thought, initially, that this condition was "no big deal". Maybe it's not - for 6 months. But, for years on end, it can really take a toll. Sex is not the be-all and end-all of relationships, and I do realize that  - but it's not an unreasonable expectation to have of someone you are in love (or serious "like") with, certainly. Good luck.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 4:43:37 PM   
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Heed your own words, "I don't know if I can go without sex for too long". Then see how long is too long by following your friends lead. If you feel like having sex and he doesnt during this period, it will be like that in the future and less so. Or more so however you want to say it.
You are incompatable already. Imagine what that'll look like down the line. Hes a good guy. Granted. But a lover in the way you hope for, he will never be.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 4:49:43 PM   
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I think a big part of it is nerves due to inexperience. We only recently started dating, but he does seem like someone I could have a connection with.

And yes, he actively pleases me in many other ways, and does it VERY well. I think I would like the sex more for the closeness it brings, as I am satisfied by the other things we do (including oral and playing with toys).

He is very interested in sexual acts, and is often the initiator, but when it comes down to the real nitty gritty, I think a big part of it is that he freezes up. We only tried a couple times so far, but it's been the same both times.

Thank you for your input on the ED meds too. I had heard they only work if the man is turned on and wants to have sex, so I wasn't sure what would happen there. What I am hoping (if it comes to it) will happen is that once he is able to perform a couple of times that he will relax about it and not need the pills.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 4:53:06 PM   
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I classify an Asexual as someone who is not interested in sex. He doesn't really sound like that (atogether anyway). He sounds like he is just nervous, or inexperienced, or maybe just needs some medical advice. I would definitely see a doctor. Also, I'd continue to be patient and try to make sure he is emotionally relaxed. Tell him he is not going to "fail" (it's not a test!). I think a doctor might be able to recommend some "non-medical" ways of relaxing him, even.  Good luck!

- Susan

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 4:55:06 PM   
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>>>He doesn't have a problem getting hard, but when it comes to sex itself he loses his erection and can't continue. Also, when I give hand/blow jobs he doesn't come.<<<
 
Dear Debutante-
 
if that's the case, viagra isn't going to help. It seems not to be a physical problem, but emotional, and while it maybe overcome, it's going to be a tough course.
 
good luck.
 
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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 5:00:20 PM   
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quote:

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Thank you for your input on the ED meds too. I had heard they only work if the man is turned on and wants to have sex, so I wasn't sure what would happen there. What I am hoping (if it comes to it) will happen is that once he is able to perform a couple of times that he will relax about it and not need the pills.


Erectile dysfunction drugs increase blood flow to the genitalia, allowing the compass to point north.

They dont really do much in the way of increasing sexual desire, however, except for the minor aspect of increased blood flow energizing the area.

If you are not happy with the situation as is, perhaps he would be willing to go to a therapist to discuss it?

Just me, etc.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 5:10:54 PM   
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I agree with Sinergy (and also topcat). The huge plus you are working with here (that was absent in my situation) is that he seems willing to try to do something about this. Therapy would probably help (in any case, it can't hurt) if this is an emotional issue. I'd find out for sure if it's emotional or physical (or both).

I think this is something that can be hard to deal with, in the long-term, if the person isn't "progressing", or is unwilling to seek help, because it just doesn't bother them (where does that leave you)? I'd make an appointment with a doctor, and ask them to recommend a therapist. Good luck.


- Susan 

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 5:15:39 PM   
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From reading, I seem to be similar in that I have very low sex drive and while I enjoy giving a partner pleasure and enjoy receiving, it's a very difficult thing for me to orgasim.  Perhaps to help it along you could try messing with his prostate as for me atleast that tends to force things to get going down there... Maybe, that's a little too personal of advice to give though, and probably doens't work on everyone with that problem.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 5:18:25 PM   
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I'm sorry but this sounds like a total closet case. 

Your boo might be gay. And sadly locked deep in the darkest closet he can find.

"He enjoyed the blowjob I gave him, and I have also given him a couple of handjobs, but no sex. He doesn't have a problem getting hard, but when it comes to sex itself he loses his erection and can't continue."  your words not mine.

The consensus from all the gay men that I know is that they enjoy handjobs, and blow jobs.. some are capable of making an erection, some are capable of having sex with women, or oral sex but usually can not complete the deal.

I would rent some gay porn and have him watch it with you and see if it turns him on. If you do this you can not (1) freak out on him because (a) its not his fault society is an asshole and (2) if nothing else you should be a decent understanding human being and (a) keep in mind a gay man is a straight girls best friend.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 5:20:23 PM   
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Sadista: I hadn't thought of that - and you've got a point. It's possible.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 5:26:56 PM   
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I'm sorry but this sounds like a total closet case. 



I doubt it's that simple... When I first had these problems someone suggested that I was probably gay... and then I tried the other side of the fence and they said I just probably didn't like guys... It was a stupid thing to do being that I've never seen guys as having any sort of beauty, but that's probably a tale for another time.  It's a really shitty position to be in when people start suspecting that.  I can't say this person is diffenently not in the closet, but I can say there are people with similar problems that aren't.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 6:26:52 PM   
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Don't bother with Viagra.
Have him down a few Long Island Ice Teas.

I also advise that while going down, don't focus all our efforts on the cock. One hand can play with his boys and the other at various parts of his body. When your hand is on his arse, have him flex it a few time. Sqeezing butt muscles are known for helping a guy cum faster.
Another thing that might help is to have him not masterbate or cum for about three to five days. After that, then go down on him and see what happens.

Here are a couple cases as to why it takes longer for a guy to cum when given a blow job.

1. Most blow jobs aren't deep throated or taken all the way. And when they are, it can still be difficult to apply pressure to all the circumfrence of the shaft. After all, it's your lips and your tongue doing most of the work while being aware to keep your teeth clear.

2. Guys who masterbate and get hand jobs can set them up in getting to use to hand on. When it's anything different, the change may not feel right. Masterbating puts the penis to where it's use to a certain tightness, depth it goes, and the speed it thrust and get's bobed on. It can take time to get use to something else to make him cum but it will happen.

This is a one of that you are going to have to wait and work on but I'm fairly confident that you'll be dowing spoon fulls of Man Gravey by Holloween. 
 

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 6:29:10 PM   
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I recently started seeing a man who identifies himself as asexual. He is a few years older than me (I'm 21, he's 24), and he has never had sex.  We both switch equally and regularly.

He informed me right away that he is moderately asexual. He enjoys pleasing me, but is not turned on by the idea of vaginal intercourse. He enjoyed the blowjob I gave him, and I have also given him a couple of handjobs, but no sex. He doesn't have a problem getting hard, but when it comes to sex itself he loses his erection and can't continue. Also, when I give hand/blow jobs he doesn't come.

He has also confessed that he has a very hard time relaxing enough to come, as in he can't let go. He gets nervous and anxious about it, so he holds back.

He has told me if we become serious he will try to go on something like viagra, or a similar pill. I want sex, and he wants to give it to me, but can't. Would viagra (or other erection medication) work in this situation?

Is there anything I can do to help him out without giving up and heading right for medication? I like the guy, he fits my needs for things like bdsm, but I don't know if I can go without sex for too long, as I have always enjoyed it in the past with other partners.


So any advice would be wonderful. Thank you!


If  he is able to get erections he doesn't need an erectile dysfunction medication.  This won't increase his desire, it will only help his plumbing.  He needs counseling with a good sex therapist to find out the underlying reasons why he is not turned on by the thought of vaginal intercourse. 

Going without sex for long periods of time in the context of a relationship is very taxing and over time it changes you.  Right now you are in the "we can fix it" stage.  Maybe you can - i sure hope so.  But realistically its very hard to change a persons desire level.  Right now he wants to see you are pleasured because it's a new relationship, he doesn't want to loose you. Think of this same situation 10 years from now, 3 kids, a mortgage, bills, etc (the realities of life) and he won't be that same "i want to please you" kinda guy.  It will be a LOT harder to make choices for yourself without making major life altering decisions. 

i wish you the best of luck and hope it improves for you.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 6:35:54 PM   
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FR:  LIkely he gets very self conscious about himself sexually and thus finds it easier simply to avoid the experiences.

If given lots of time, lots of patience, and LOTS of time "just being together" that you will find in time you can both explore sex together.

My older partner used to be identical to how it sounds this guy is.  I laugh at him and his statements early in our relationship that he's "not very sexual."  Given time, cuddling, refusal to let him say no every time, and HONESTLY expressing when I was happy and when I was frustrated, he's finally become secure enough in himself to relax and enjoy with me. 

There's a lot more to it then an online post can exposit, since it's so much about the persons own psychology and processing.  The question will really be how much time you feel you can give it and what you can do.  In the year BEFORE my partner became this comfortable, I had lots of other sex partners to enjoy.  That helped a lot. 

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 6:47:38 PM   
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Sadista may be correct in her suspicion that your lover is homosexual. However, this seems unlikely if he does want to have sex with you, and especially if he enjoys touching your body intimately ways that don't involve sticking his penis in it, like cunnilingus. By the way, please do remember that liking gay porn or sex and relationships with men doesn't mean a man doesn't like sex or relationships with women. My partner is a bisexual man, and he's certainly not the only one.

It sounds like your lover may have built up climaxing during intercourse in his head as a very significant event, likely because he has had trouble with it. I might guess that this causes him some anxiety that inhibits his sexual excitement and causes his physical arousal to diminish. When his erection flags, he may become despondent and not want to continue sexual interaction. Medications like Viagra and Cialis could help him maintain physical arousal and lessen the impact of his anxiety on his erection, allowing (forcing?) him to engage in intercourse to climax. If he's anxious about orgasm from intercourse because he perceives it as very significant, doing it once will remove some of its significance and so remove some of the anxiety surrounding it, and if anxiety and pressure are all that are keeping him from arousal and stimulation to orgasm, as they diminish, his ability to have intercourse and orgasm from it will increase. Like you said, once he is able to perform a couple of times, he may not need the pills because he'll be more relaxed.

I'm not sure whether sexual desire is your lover's problem. However, if it is, your medication options are more limited. There's a synthetic medication in the works, but it's not worth talking about yet. There are herbal and alternative ways to increase one's libido, and the most effective one I know of is yohimbine. If you do this, you would probably want to look for pills marketed as "Yohimbe" with (this is important) the amount of yohimbine in them listed on the label.

In general, you may want to deemphasize male orgasm in your sexual encounters. I realize that modern American het sex is very interested in male orgasm, indeed, very interested in orgasm in general, there's a reason I needed qualifiers of chronology, location, and gender pairing! If he has good sexual feelings that don't lead to orgasm, embrace them, and enjoy them. If his penis stops being erect before fluid spurts out of it, that's not a failure or a bad thing unless you and he want to regard it as one. Ceasing to concentrate on his orgasm may alleviate his anxiety about it, too, and so may even cause him to orgasm.

Debutante, you say that vaginal sex is important "for the closeness it brings." I agree that sex can be a powerful source of intimacy, expression of affection, and validation of attractiveness. However, you are likely to be happier, even if you and this man, (or another one, for that matter) have successful vaginal sex, if you have other activities that make you feel intimate with, loved by, and attractive to your partner, just because the more things you have that can provide those good feelings, the more good feelings you'll get.

If your lover is not interested in vaginal intercourse, but comes to enjoy sex, you may not have a problem, especially because you're kinky and so have a greater array of sexually satisfying activities that don't involve sticking penises in vaginas. Many het couples can perceive their sex lives as fulfilling and can have even frequent sex without ever doing vaginal intercourse, and, anecdotally, as couples who don't do vaginal intercourse incorporate other activities into their sexual interactions, their sex lives get happier. I'm not arguing that YOU can be happy and sexually satisfied without your lover's penis in your vagina; I'm arguing that some people are.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 7:16:05 PM   
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Some people simply don't have a very strong sex drive. Trying to force them to give it at your levels may not be fair to this man. It doesn't mean he's gay if hature simply hasn't equipped him to function in ways someone with a strong sex drive would consider to be normal.

Sex is the LEAST important aspect to me in a relationship. I'm perfectly happy to have it, but I am not OBSESSED with it.


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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 7:37:36 PM   
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I'm asexual, and I don't date because of it.

It's pretty common for women to think that they'd be ok with it, or to think that I'll change. But when I have dated a woman like that, she's always been unhappy, and I've always ended it because of that.

For a long time now, I've just not dated.

I don't believe a relationship with one asexual partner and one person with a typical sex drive would work. It's probably as bad of a match as a gay partner and a straight partner.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 7:48:13 PM   
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I recently started seeing a man who identifies himself as asexual. He is a few years older than me (I'm 21, he's 24), and he has never had sex.  We both switch equally and regularly.



Does he masturbate when he is alone? Does he cum from this? How often?  To what kind of porn? 

If no masturbation, I think that's an indication of something (of what, I don't know, but it's got to be relevant). If he does masturbate regularly and has no problem ejaculating, find out what kind of porn and fantasies.

You have to make sure he is really, really being honest with you about if/when he masturbates and how often.

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RE: Regarding Asexuality - 8/28/2006 7:53:14 PM   
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AAasha has a very good suggestion, I think. Maybe there is something he wants that you could find out about, and then do that.

I will say though, my husband masturbated, (occasionally) - he just didn't want sex with other people - certainly not with me).
 
Everyone who deals with this is in their own unique situation, though.
I do wish the OP good luck.

- Susan 

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