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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 7:22:34 AM   
Celeste43


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There's an additional possibility here that hasn't been mentioned; learning disabilities such as dyslexia. People with it have been called stupid and retarded countless times even by educators who ought to be able to recognize it. If she has a ld, that by itself does not mean she is unintelligent but you could easily have hurt her enormously by repeating the same insults she may have been hearing for years.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 4:51:02 PM   
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Allyn did not provide the sub's three line message, nor his exact reply, so we should be careful stating an opinion and even more, passing judgement. His answer seems a little bit highbrow, his profile is not free of arrogance, but nevertheless I tend to side with him. I have received my share of unbelievable responses from submissives. They have little to do with dyslexia or other learning disabilities. If someone is dyslectic and just says so, this will nearly always be met with a lot of goodwill. From my line of work, I know quite a few dyslectics and most of them are nice, intelligent, talented, sociable people with no other communicational handicap than their spelling. I would be offended if I were a dyslectic, and this excuse were used for the kind of ill-mannered approach that many of us experience more often than we care to.

There are a few telltale signs that betray the lack of investment that a lot of submissives (and probably Dom(mes) too) are ready to make, when they are trying to meet people on the net. Poor spelling –not always caused by dyslexia or LD- is but one; others are poor phrasing, lack of use of capitals and interpunction, no proper beginning or ending (I mean polite rather than correct), no answers to questions, showing no real interest in the other party, giving a three word answer to a one-page polite answer to their initial contact!). Or closing a chat when you are in mid-sentence. I could go on… To rephrase a saying: “don’t attribute to dyslexia, that which can be adequately explained by bad manners”.
Yes, this is the web, but why would you accept things here that would be unheard of in real life? Why is it not OK to point out unpleasant or at least ineffective ways of behaviour? If everyone shrugs his shoulders because ‘that’s the way it is on the web’, how are things ever going to change? Complaining will not solve traffic congestions, as LA stated, but pointing out less desirable ways of communicating might bring about an improvement in internet etiquette, if repeated often enough and given the right priority.

Impoliteness, laziness, rants, abusive language are by no means symptoms of dyslexia or other learning disabilities and I hope Allyn’s criticism did not include a direct reference to the sub's intelligence. This in itself would imply a lack of refinement.

All those poor underpriviledged subs and Doms that can’t help they cannot communicate right?? Ah, come off it! There’s an awful lot of plain bad manners and laziness going around on the net. It sounds silly to me to try to cover that up by suggesting it’s dyslexia or LD.

Most dyslectics that I know are able to start sentences with a capital and end them with a period. These are easy to use and essential for easy reading. Try reading twenty-line posts with elliptic phrasing and no use of capitals or interpunction whatsoever. There are spellingcheckers, there are friends willing to go over one’s writings (I have mine proofread most of the time, as I am not a native speaker, but alas, my sub’s out for the night). Better use a proofread and/or copy-pasted letter for a first approach, mayby even explaining your weak points, than one that’s guaranteed not to appeal to the adressee.

By the way, would you have a Dom(me) that wouldn’t have you for a sub if you were dyslectic??
Well then…


regards

Kazinja’s Ronald

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 5:23:36 PM   
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You should read his posts before you respond

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 5:59:08 PM   
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I did, Julia, but maybe "a modicum of intelligence" weren't the exact words he used in his reply to the sub in question. I can't imagine Allyn using the word 'modicum' when addressing a person who's intelligence or literacy he calls into question. Therefore, before passing judgement, I'd prefer to have access to the exact wording of her text and his reply. And besides, I'd rather try to understand the motives on both sides and not pass judgement at all.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 6:06:03 PM   
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Why is it ok to humiliate someone for their lack of education? If I was with someone that wrote back a sub with that kind of response it would lower him in my eyes, I tend to be big on compassion in dominants, and one that would be this unkind to someone who wrote him would reflect badly on him, not her. My Daddy wouldn't do this though, he has more compassion than that.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 6:50:10 PM   
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Please Julia, read my lips: we don't know exactly what Allyn wrote, so I'd like to defer any judgement until I know more. Describing/summarizing a conversation sometimes changes it's semantics. I think it's allright to gently remind someone that putting effort in your communication is going to win you extra points. Whether the lacking qualities of the mail were caused by a disability, a lack of education or just plain bad manners, we have no way of knowing so far. At the university I see higly educated people with very poor manners every day. So please don't confuse bad manners and a lack of respect with anything that it is not.

Maybe Allyn used derogatory words and you may lecture him about it, maybe he didn't. Let's ask him!

Over and out! 3:45 AM over here.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 6:57:01 PM   
eyesopened


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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceani


in a forum where you came to ask our opinion, if you did not want it, I fail to understand why you bothered to ask since all you have done is denigrate the opinions of the others who think you were not correct in the way you handled this submissive.


It would seem to me that what He wanted was 1) Permission to hurl insults at anyone He wishes. and  2) He wanted to brag about how superior He is

Because the sub blocked Him and He wasn't through with her yet, hadn't had the chance to humiliate her further, He had to visit His exchange with us.  He was not seeking advice or opinions.



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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 7:00:48 PM   
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I tend to agree

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 8:58:01 PM   
Allyn


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I was not going to post the conversations as I did not see them as terribly relevant, however I will post them with no identifying details...

[her 1st message]

dam lol i just clicked to this thing and U came up i dont know if im scarred or ummmmmmmmm whats tha word lol ok now i have made a big ass fool of me self il get out of ya box lol

[My reply]

Thanks for your note.
Just a friendly hint... if you intend to contact other Dominants here.

From my experience, most tend to prefer messages that where it appears someone appears to have taken the time and care to craft their contact. Internet/SMS jargon are usually seen as a shortcut. The more effort you put in to your message the better the chance you may find what you seek.
 
Good luck with your journey. 
 
[her final reply]

wowwwwwww excuse meeeeeeeeeee i was being nice and kinda teling u my thoughts and at no point did i atac ur inteligence, and as for u saying u didnt want to take it no further then y the fuck bother sending this u rude mannnnnnn oh i see anotehr wanabe dom lmaoooooooooooo and dear???/ good luck in ur travels cause dammmmmmmmmm u need it after that attitude, dick head


I chose the language of my original message for clarity. Perhaps in hindsight I should have attached the messages straight off...

As a little addendum:
in my 4th post I wrote "But unless someone has something of significance to offer... "
it should have read "But unless someone has something further of significance to offer... "

As to the personal insults and attacks... well, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/2/2006 11:09:22 PM   
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Allyn, just a point, some here think it's always rude to not reply, but i disagree... if You get contact mail at the curb-side box, do You feel compelled to answer it?  Nope.  Just toss out the stuff that doesn't require an answer.   i wouldn't have replied to that at all..  and the worst she can say is You didn't reply, and most would say... so??

It might be helpful at this point to just admit You probably insulted her needlessly and carry on.  W/we A/all have O/our days.  i'm sure You don't want the balance of Your time on collarme to be about e-mail exchanges, there is so much more interesting stuff to discuss here!

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/3/2006 2:25:49 AM   
slave4Darby3d


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Wow.  Allyn.  Welcome to the board.

That's nothing.  Ok, so you received an accidental, poorly formatted message from someone.  boo hoo.  I shudder to think how many Lucky Albatross gets DAILY...
Seems to me that they stumbled on something that popped up for a message to you.  (anyone who hasn't stumbled around in a board, raise your hand...)
In any case, why bitch slap someone who obviously (yes, OBVIOUSLY) contacted you unintentionally?
Your reaction is so way off the scale that I have to ask:  are you really Dominant?

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/3/2006 2:40:43 AM   
amaidiamond


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This all seems so petty to me, end of the day you got a badly worded messege, wow, personally I just bin them because I get so many.
Your profile states that you "Do not take yourself too seriously" - sure does not seem that way.
Best thing is just to learn from your mistakes and move on, at the moment it seems to be a good thing that you seek nothing! Collar me is a community and it is filled with all sorts, it is not a place to come too simply because you wish to have a bitch. Would you like some cheese with that whine?

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/3/2006 10:48:19 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Allyn

I do hope that some of you may gain an insight into the frustrations of dealing with submissives [sometimes].



isn't it a shame that there can't be a "Mensa" for BDSM....a site with an intelligence test one has to pass before gaining admittance?

i vote you the Grand Wizard of this new BONDSA club, for you use many dollar words such as "rhetoric" and "modicum."




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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/3/2006 2:24:46 PM   
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Dear Pissdoll...did you not know that big words impress the hell out of us hoi polloi?...is hoi polloi a big word?.....good point girl...Tempting

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/3/2006 3:01:31 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

Welcome to what we Dommes put up with all the time. Thres an entire thread somewhere about what we do NOT want to hear, because we get emails like that often (Where's LA and her link obsession when you need her?)  The male subs do the same thing, they dont get the overwhelming interest they think they deserve, and you get flamed and then blocked before you can respond.  Its not a femenist superior attitude for subs, in general, though you might be running into that I am sure. Its just what I call "sour grapes" from those who cant actually handle rejection.

DV

PS Welcome to the site


This is so common both sides of the fence though. I get a lot of trouble from Dominants who haven't bothered to read that a) I'm not a slave, I'm a submissive and b) who can't seem to grasp the concept of "for all intents and purposes, I'm already collared." My profile says over and over that I have a boyfriend, that I'm taken and yet I continue to get poorly spelled letters asking for pictures and personal details, along with rude responses to me saying "No, I don't give out pictures because I'm not here to date anyone."

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/3/2006 3:36:44 PM   
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Delete and move on.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/4/2006 5:27:54 PM   
Celeste43


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Not unintelligent per se, just text speak. And because she uses the cell phone text messaging shorthand on that and extends it to other communications, I'm betting she's very young.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/4/2006 7:09:06 PM   
LeMis


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Not unintelligent per se, just text speak. And because she uses the cell phone text messaging shorthand on that and extends it to other communications, I'm betting she's very young.


<ding-ding-ding>

I'll take that bet also (
I'm betting she's very young) and raise you. 

Correct spelling and use of grammar are a couple of my pet peeves, but I really REALLY try not to say much to others since they take it as an insult (even my boss). 

*shrugs*  Oh well, just my opinion...

Have a good evening all.

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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/4/2006 7:31:56 PM   
Allyn


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From memory the profile age... 32 or 37...



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RE: Contacting Dominants - 9/4/2006 8:18:07 PM   
juliaoceania


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I bet she will make another cellphone user a wonderful submissive....

I do not type like that, but I know a some very intelligent people who do

My Daddy is an educated (he has a BA degree) longshoreman and he cusses all the time, as do I, and I am going to graduate school for a PhD... I was unaware you could tell how high someone scored on an IQ test by how much they use profanities.. Anthropologists like myself tend to use them quite often. I guess I plan on spending a lot of time in my academic career with people that cannot read or write, and I tend to think this is not a sin, nor does it make them "less" than myself. My Daddy would probably not have been attracted to such a submissive either, as he dislikes my use of such shorthand as "LOL". But that does not mean there are not others that she would serve very well.

You have your opinions about what you would want in a submissive and what is important to you as a dom, I think your mistake is in projecting your wants on to other dominants. There are more than a few dominants on this very board who misspell all the time, and use grammar incorrectly, they also happen to be the most intelligent and wisest dominants on the board. If I was seeking these would be the type of men I would be interested in...There are a lot worse things than misspellings, shorthand, and profanity... such as talking down to people in a way that makes them feel less for their interactions with you, instead of building them up to feel empowered for having contact with you. I think the best of dominants can hand a compliment out in even the most casual of ways that would take the sting out of any sort of constructive criticism.. my Daddy criticizes me often, but never in a hurtful way.. always in a way that makes me feel valuable...

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