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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:08:57 PM

michaelGA2

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haven't you figured it out yet? the polls are rigged and the Presidency goes to the highest bidder. and the "democrats" can't seem to get enough money to buy the most prestigeous seat in the world.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:10:27 PM

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> They will never get it. We have people in the US yelling all the time about
> "universal health care". Show me where it works? It doesn't.

Actually, it works everywhere in the Western world, and the Asian world.
United States is the only first-world country that doens't have a universal
health care system. If universal health care were put to a vote in every
first-world country except the US, it would win hands down. People living
in the US are just ignorant as to howw much people in other first-world
countries really like their health care system. People like to complain, but
just because they complain about their health care system, doesn't mean
they would go the US system. The US system is a non-starter anywhere
there is universal health care. The only people outside the US who admire
the US system are oil shieks, and other super rich for whom money
doesn't count for much. Yes, we have the best medical system in
the world. Only most Americans can't afford it. But we are the envy
of the super rich of every other nation. It is sad how many
Americans have to go overseas for dental work, and medical
care, because they can't afford the US system.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:11:42 PM

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haven't you figured it out yet? the polls are rigged and the Presidency goes to the highest bidder. and the "democrats" can't seem to get enough money to buy the most prestigeous seat in the world.

Pretty much true. That is why Romania is more democratic than the United States.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:11:58 PM

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the rich will never allow it.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:18:26 PM

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And what do you think would happen to "the best medical care in the world" if we let the government run it? I have used medical care in Japan and Korea. As far as I remember, they were private doctors.
The reason that medical care is so expensive in the US is the jungle of regulations and the high cost of malpractice insurance. Fix those areas, and medical care would drop dramatically.
And that is why many go to Mexico for healthcare. It is cheaper. But better? I don't think you would get anyone to say that.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:20:23 PM

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the rich will never allow it.

You mean all those rich liberals in Hollywood and in the music industry, and the media are all secretly lovers of George Bush?

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:46:59 PM

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And what do you think would happen to "the best medical care in the world" if we let the government run it? I have used medical care in Japan and Korea. As far as I remember, they were private doctors. The reason that medical care is so expensive in the US is the jungle of regulations and the high cost of malpractice insurance. Fix those areas, and medical care would drop dramatically. And that is why many go to Mexico for healthcare. It is cheaper. But better? I don't think you would get anyone to say that.

Before you argue aginst something, you might first make some effort to understand it. Canada, Australia, Japan and most countries with a single-payer, universal health care system have socialized financing, or socialized health insurance, not socialized medicine. The government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. This is similar to how Medicare works in this country. Doctors are in private practice and are paid on a fee-for-service basis from government funds. The government does not own or manage their medical practices or hospitals. All you care about is yourself, you don't seem to give a damn about all the Americans who can't afford Rolls Royce health care. If you live in the US, you have to pay for Rolls Royce health care or your life doesn't mean a damn thing.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:49:58 PM

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the rich will never allow it.

You mean all those rich liberals in Hollywood and in the music industry, and the media are all secretly lovers of George Bush?

Some rich people have a conscience.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 3:58:39 PM

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"And what do you think would happen to "the best medical care in the world" if we let the government run it?"

surely you're not talking about america? If one takes into account the number of people who are not covered by any medical scheme, then as a way of delivering health care to a nation, the american system is banana republic class. It's only the best system in the world if you dont count poor people.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 4:41:18 PM

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no, i mean ALL of the rich S.O.B.s that pay greatly to buy the presidency and screw the poor and middle class.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 4:49:25 PM

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quote:

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"And what do you think would happen to "the best medical care in the world" if we let the government run it?"

surely you're not talking about america? If one takes into account the number of people who are not covered by any medical scheme, then as a way of delivering health care to a nation, the american system is banana republic class. It's only the best system in the world if you dont count poor people.

Many people who don't have health care are young people who, as I did when I was in my twenties, decided that they didn't want health care. They are not all people who can't just afford it. And we have free clinics and county hospitals that offer free or low cost health care right now for people who need it. But it just amazes me that anyone would think that putting the government in charge of health care is a good idea. Especially when the evidence to the contrary is so prevelant.
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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 4:50:40 PM

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no, i mean ALL of the rich S.O.B.s that pay greatly to buy the presidency and screw the poor and middle class.

Who are those people exactly?

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 4:56:04 PM

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The government wouldn't be in charge of health care; they'd be in charge of making sure that everyone has health insurance. There's a big difference. (In fact, I'm sure you know there's a big difference.)

Besides, as long as Donald Rumsfeld isn't running that department, I'd be willing to give it a test drive. Can't be any worse than the nightmarish insurance situation we already have. We rely on government to provide all kinds of things that don't work very well when they're privatized--defense, law enforcement, infrastructure, you know where I'm going--what makes health insurance so special that the government shouldn't be allowed to touch it?

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But it just amazes me that anyone would think that putting the government in charge of health care is a good idea. Especially when the evidence to the contrary is so prevelant.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 5:21:05 PM

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The government wouldn't be in charge of health care; they'd be in charge of making sure that everyone has health insurance. There's a big difference. (In fact, I'm sure you know there's a big difference.)

Besides, as long as Donald Rumsfeld isn't running that department, I'd be willing to give it a test drive. Can't be any worse than the nightmarish insurance situation we already have. We rely on government to provide all kinds of things that don't work very well when they're privatized--defense, law enforcement, infrastructure, you know where I'm going--what makes health insurance so special that the government shouldn't be allowed to touch it?

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But it just amazes me that anyone would think that putting the government in charge of health care is a good idea. Especially when the evidence to the contrary is so prevelant.

You can use semantics to twist it any way you want, but yes, the government would be in charge of it. And I don't want to pay into a medical system that runs like the post office or the DMV. And having worked with the military beuracracy as an entertainer, I am amazed that our military is as good as it is. That just proves how good our soldiers are I guess.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 5:27:39 PM

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let me start that maybe it is time you bring your head out of your arrogant, self impose over inflated ego, and become more involved. Being forty as you say, you dont remember a time of veitman, and 18 years go off to a war like today in a we did not belong, but it was a democrate president that got the bill to pass.
and anyone with half a sense who understand the baiscly sociality struture, during a time of war or conflict the public with stick right or wrong with the devil they know then to bring in a devil they dont know welcome to the product of fear. That is why Kerry did not win.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 5:42:53 PM

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let me start that maybe it is time you bring your head out of your arrogant, self impose over inflated ego, and become more involved. Being forty as you say, you dont remember a time of veitman, and 18 years go off to a war like today in a we did not belong, but it was a democrate president that got the bill to pass.
and anyone with half a sense who understand the baiscly sociality struture, during a time of war or conflict the public with stick right or wrong with the devil they know then to bring in a devil they dont know welcome to the product of fear. That is why Kerry did not win.

Are you Kerry's speechwriter? He lost because he made no sense and had no plan.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 5:59:51 PM

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Dear E-string
First no i was not a speach writer, but i was a supporter of his. But anyone who has been around when our country as been at war it is harder for a incumbant to win the race, people vote out of fear then.
Second let me say i am glad that this person does get out and vote, i have belive that everyone over the age of 18 should. What i dont like and did not like that this whip the hip states that he is so self important that his is the only vote that counts, and all the rest of us are peaons to him. basicly he is saying that we are wasting our time, and that i dont like. for Americans even into day one voice is just as important at the next. and it really does not matter if the person votes democate or rep. the important part is that he is following his heart and his mind and doing what is best for him.
and how dare some over ego arrogant state that in so many words that just because you dont follow whip the hip thought you are not important. Tell that to the young men and woman dying today that their votes dont count, tell that to some poor vet. his votes dont count.
whip the hip does not have that right.
be safe estring
slave jlb

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 6:00:34 PM

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The DMV isn't a good example because it's a state office.

But I don't see what's wrong with the post office. It's a hell of a lot better than Federal Express. (I use both all the time.) The branches of government that aren't being perverted along party lines work just fine, Estring.

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You can use semantics to twist it any way you want, but yes, the government would be in charge of it. And I don't want to pay into a medical system that runs like the post office or the DMV. And having worked with the military beuracracy as an entertainer, I am amazed that our military is as good as it is. That just proves how good our soldiers are I guess.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 7:23:34 PM

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Democrats would
rather vote for a loser with their perfect set of
beliefs, than a winner whose beliefs are more
mainstream. Like the "Moral Minority," too many
ultra liberals believe there are many more of
them than there are in reality.

Check out Jim Webb, Democrat for senate in VA. Former Navy secratary for Reagan who crossed party lines. Most definatly not an ultra-liberal, but strongly supported online as a smart capable canidate.

Remember, Republicans are not the final authority on what's up with Democrats and vice versa.

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RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. - 9/2/2006 7:47:58 PM

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I'm tired of all these new-fad Democratic candidates who are touted as former Republicans--as though that were the requisite badge of honor. The Democratic party has this absurd identity crisis where it feels that it has to keep inching to the right if it is going to make any headway. That's a loser's strategy. You have to move the country back in YOUR direction.

The time will come.

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Check out Jim Webb, Democrat for senate in VA. Former Navy secratary for Reagan who crossed party lines. Most definatly not an ultra-liberal, but strongly supported online as a smart capable canidate.

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