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WhipTheHip -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/2/2006 8:32:08 PM)

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> And we have free clinics and county hospitals that offer free or low cost
> health care right now for people who need it.   Estring


You be smoking  a lot of crack.    Free clinics and county hospitals.  ROTFLMAO




WhipTheHip -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/2/2006 8:37:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
I'm tired of all these new-fad Democratic candidates who are touted as former Republicans--as though that were the requisite badge of honor.  The Democratic party has this absurd identity crisis where it feels that it has to keep inching to the right if it is going to make any headway.  That's a loser's strategy.  You have to move the country back in YOUR direction.  The time will come.


Some people think the mountain will move if they will it.  These people are delusional.  I feel very bad I can't vote for Democratic president.  I live in Florida.  I know countless people here who feel exactly as I do.  Presidential candidates need Florida to win.




FangsNfeet -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 3:32:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50

I just hope a Democrat will win...I'm tired of suffering.


If that's the case, it's time for independent as president and a 3rd party to have a strong foot hold in Congress and the Senate. As long as it's just Twettle De and Twettle Dum, we'll continue to suffer.




pup75 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 5:33:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip
By the way, that picture was taken when I was over 40. 
There is no fool like an old fool. 
Poly-sci classes are for idiots. 


Wow. That's some serious ego right there. By the way, if that picture was taken when you were over 40, how come your profile says you're 34?

pup




philosophy -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 5:51:40 AM)

"Many people who don't have health care are young people who, as I did when I was in my twenties, decided that they didn't want health care. They are not all people who can't just afford it"

your choice, but there has been posts made on these boards from plenty of people denied medical insurance in the states who not only want it, but need it. Do you assume they don't count?

"And we have free clinics and county hospitals that offer free or low cost health care right now for people who need it."

If true, then there would have been no comments on these boards from americans wanting health care. Clearly the system you point at is far from universal.....and thats the point all along Estring.....its simply not good enough to settle on a system that only gives health care to some, whether based on economic circumstances or geographical.

"But it just amazes me that anyone would think that putting the government in charge of health care is a good idea. Especially when the evidence to the contrary is so prevelant."

Your prejudice against anything run by government is fairly well documented. It still ducks the central question, how can the richest natiuon in the world have failed to ensure health care for all its citizens? The answer, it seems to me, is that a proportion of people in the states simply don't care what happens to the have nots. The tax burden on a citizen of the UK is broadly similar to an American citizen.........we have health care free at the point of delivery, you don't.......our government runs our health service. However, no-one is ever denied a transplant or rehabilitation after a serious accident because their economic circumstances aren't good enough. Perhaps America just needs a socialist government for a little while, to remind people like you, Estring, of John Donne's words....."no man is an island...."




bills944 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 5:59:44 AM)

 
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Healthcare premiums set for state's uninsured
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Healthcare premiums set for state's uninsured
Low-income residents to pay $18-$106

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/09/02/healthcare_premiums_set_for_states_uninsured/?page=full

By Liz Kowalczyk, Globe Staff  |  September 2, 2006

Uninsured lower-income Massachusetts residents who earn just enough to escape poverty will pay about $18 a month for coverage under the state's new health insurance law, while those who make more will pay up to about $106.

State regulators approved the rates yesterday, and said they are amounts most lower-income residents should be able to afford. The law will require all residents to have health insurance by July 1, 2007, or face tax penalties.

Members of the board overseeing implementation of the law said they were swayed by information showing that most lower-income people with private insurance through their jobs pay at least this much, and in many instances more. The members of the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector also said they worried that if the state charges lower-income people too little, employers that offer insurance will drop it, eventually sending droves of workers to seek state-subsidized insurance, which could bankrupt the program.

``When you look at what other states do, this is very generous," said Richard Lord, chief executive of Associated Industries of Massachusetts, the state's largest business lobbying group and a member of the Connector board. ``The last thing we want to do is encourage those employers to no longer provide coverage to their employees."

Only one member of the 10-person board voted against the recommended premiums. ``I work with low-wage people," said Louis Malzone, executive director of the Massachusetts Coalition of Taft-Hartley Funds, a group of multi-employer health plans. ``When you're earning $16,000 a year, you're thinking in terms of pennies a week. People will have to give up other necessities."
Pop-up GLOBE GRAPHIC: Monthly rates

For weeks the board has been debating how much to charge residents for coverage who earn between 100 and 300 percent of the federal poverty level , with many advocates for the poor contending that people have told them they cannot afford the amounts approved yesterday.

A single person in that range would earn $9,804 to $29,412 a year, with their annual insurance payment accounting for 1.8 percent of their income, or $18 a month, at the low end of the range, and 4.7 percent, or $106 a month, at the upper end. Couples would pay twice the dollar amount as single people.

Co payment amounts will vary, from $20 for a visit with a specialist to $250 for a hospital stay. Some people would be able to choose plans with lower co payments for doctors visits, medications , and other services, and would have to pay slightly more toward their premiums.

The state will subsidize premiums for those earning between 100 and 300 percent of the poverty level, while it will pay premiums in full for uninsured residents who earn less than the poverty level.

The total amount of the premiums is not yet known, as health plans are still calculating the cost of their plans.

Some families already pay a premium to the state-federal Medicaid program to cover their children. They will continue to pay that premium in addition to the cost of their own coverage. As a result, a couple with one child, for example, would pay $36 to $240 each month toward health insurance premiums, depending on income.

Voluntary enrollment in these plans is expected to start Jan. 1, but the program becomes mandatory July 1, unless individuals show they cannot afford the contributions.

That decision may rest on families' varied financial situations and expenses.

Cendra Cesar, 33, is a single mother with an 8-year-old son. She runs a day care service in her home in Lynn, and said she earns $25,000 to $30,000 a year, depending on the number of children she cares for. That puts her slightly over 200 percent of the federal poverty level for a family of two.

Under the rules adopted yesterday, she probably would pay $40 to $60 a month for insurance. Her son has insurance through his father.

With expenses such as rent, child care, and college costs , she said that amount may be too steep for her. When she calculated her budget, she estimated she could afford about $10 a month for health insurance. She could give up classes, she said, but then ``I won't be able to get the job that has the health insurance."

She said she's hopeful premiums will come down, as plans compete with one another to attract enrollees. Barring that, she said she would buy insurance and cancel it if it turns out she can't afford it.

Ed and Louise Hetzler said they believe the amounts are affordable for them. The Hudson couple said they earn $24,000 to $25,000 a year running their own music business, giving lessons, and performing. But they have already paid for their home, so they have low housing expenses.

They are eager to buy health insurance because Ed , 58, was diagnosed with diabetes earlier this year and is paying about $400 a year for medications and another $200 a year for office visits with a nurse. Louise , 55, hasn't been for a check-up in years and would like insurance so that she could get preventive care.

At just under 200 percent of the federal poverty level, they would pay roughly $80 a month.

``That seems reasonable to me, not just for us but for everyone," she said. ``People without this help would be spending $8,000 or $9,000 a year on insurance."

When the insurance mandate takes effect in July, residents who believe they cannot afford the contributions can appeal to the Connector to avoid tax penalties. But the board has not decided how to handle appeals, and whether each person's financial situation will be reviewed individually, said Jon Kingsdale, executive director of the Connector.

Board members said they will monitor the number of people who enroll in the program; they could decide to lower the contribution amounts in a year if enough people do not enroll because they cannot afford to.

The Greater Boston Interfaith Organization, which has been holding budget workshops to help people determine what they can afford, said the approved fees are too high for a mandatory program. Brother Jack Rathschmidt of Our Lady of Lourdes in Jamaica Plain said the group has collected data on about 250 people so far, and for about half, the new fees are too high.

Many hospitals also are concerned that enough people won't enroll in the subsidized health plans. One intent of the law is to decrease use of the free care pool, a fund that provides free or subsidized hospital care to lower-income, uninsured residents. The pool, however, does not cover all the expenses, and many hospitals lose money on it and end up subsidizing the care themselves.
© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.


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Level -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 6:20:17 AM)

Thanks for the info, bills944. I wonder how well this is going to work?




bills944 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 6:30:50 AM)

 
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bills944 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 6:55:51 AM)

It's a good start and long overdue.  Any problems will be worked out and improvements made.  Also, this should be used as a model for national healthcare for everyone in the United States, like every other industrialized country provides its citizens.

Healthcare is currently the number one cause of personal bankruptcy and that's not acceptable.  The wealthiest country in the world by far can't provide healthcare for all it's citizens?  But the president of Exxon deserves a $400 MILLION retirement pension, that's crap.




peterK50 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 8:10:53 AM)

People merely have to ask themselves "HUH??!!" at every opportunity. A party that opposes a living wage & a clean environment is not "pro-family". A party that will not allow unpaid maternity leave for dads is not "pro-family" Torture is not a "family value," unless it's the Mason family. Making sure a family cannot afford health insurance is not "pro-family". They love the Bible so much I'll give them a quote, "Ye shall know them by their deeds, not by their words"




bills944 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 8:23:47 AM)

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This week NOW looks at several states where these new rules may keep voters away from the polls in November.

Critics charge that the Bush administration is part of the problem as the U.S. Department of Justice, which is charged with protecting the rights of all voters, has signed off on a number of the new regulations.

In Florida, new penalties that can reach up to $5,000 for registration delays or problems, which forced traditional registration advocacy groups, like the League of Women Voters, to avoid registering voters for a crucial primary.





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bills944 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 9:40:37 AM)

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bills944 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 9:45:18 AM)

 

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WhipTheHip -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 1:37:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet

quote:

ORIGINAL: cuddleheart50

I just hope a Democrat will win...I'm tired of suffering.


If that's the case, it's time for independent as president and a 3rd party to have a strong foot hold in Congress and the Senate. As long as it's just Twettle De and Twettle Dum, we'll continue to suffer.


Twettle De was Gore, Twettle Dum was Bush.  Anyone who didn't see a difference between Gore and Bush needs their head examined.  Sorry, all we are going to get is Tweetle Dee and Tweetle Dum.   Sometimes in life we have to choose between the lesser of two evils.  Extremists don't vote because a candidate is not their perfect choice.




cuddleheart50 -> RE: Democrats can't win without my vote. (9/3/2006 1:39:03 PM)

Twettle Dum was Bush.

And thats all I have to say about that!!!




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