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Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:26:06 PM   
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I put this question on this board because I want to hear ideas from everyone.  I would love to top the guy I'm seeing but he is bigger and stronger than I.  It would be easy if he would just let me control him but he enjoys the fight, not including the idea of taking back the power.  Its all in fun and play, but does anyone have any ideas on how to top someone they are physically unable in control?
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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:28:47 PM   
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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:35:53 PM   
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If he doesn't want to be controlled then why bother? Someone is going to get hurt. Aside from drugging him or having some big men or ladies hold him down, there's not alot you can do other than knee him in the balls really hard. Most men become very compliant if you kneed them in the balls hard enough to shove them up into their throat. You could draw a weapon on him but I think thats taking it a bit far.

If he wants a wrestling partner then he needs to find someone otherwise it sounds to me like he wants to be the Top with a struggling bottom.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:38:23 PM   
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hahaha  Mace,

Very true Lashra, I'm not sure why I want to top the untopable.  :)  Thanks for the replies

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:38:49 PM   
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I find most of the fight tends to go out of them once you've got them by the erm.. unmentionables LOL. So maybe a little CBT? There's this lovely wrist to cock restraint they sell that makes a struggling sub just... amusing.

What I've found is I tell a sub who is bigger than me, "If you fight back, you WILL get away." That honestly stops most of them from fighting too much, at least until I have them in restraints. Also, having him kneel at all times during a scene helps take away the indimidation of having them loom over you.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:41:07 PM   
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You could learn some basic self defense.  You'll likely learn a  lot of ways to get people to go where you want them to.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:43:42 PM   
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You could learn some basic self defense. You'll likely learn a lot of ways to get people to go where you want them to.


Yes! Pressure points are wonderful things!

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 9:48:22 PM   
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As a karate black belt, I have simply had to tell the boys I have been with what I am capable of.  I have several framed photos in my home of myself in action. Amazingly, no one has ben quite brave enough to find out whether or not I would ever use the tehniques ON them. But, at 5'4 almost every boy I have dominated has been bigger than I am. I actually get more out of controlling  abigger boy who would not otherwise succumb to me. My angel is tiny, taller but very small and can be easily physically controlled.  Heis the first in a very long while that I have kept that was like that.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 10:02:09 PM   
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Use very good leather cuffs, and strong chain!  Outdoor chained to a couple of big trees is a good idea if you can do it.  Once they are restricted and tied....you pretty much have them.  Just amke sure you use good strong areas.  Most house wood is cheaply made so be careful if he really wishes to struggle.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 11:11:03 PM   
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As others have already mentioned, if what he really gets off on is the fight, then you'll have to either employ instruments like tasers or such, or learn techniques for takedowns- some of which are very simple and effective.

If he just needs to have the fight taken out of him however- use the element of surprise and good solid bondage to wear him down.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 11:14:01 PM   
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Windy, is there a gun store near you?

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/3/2006 11:52:49 PM   
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you'd have to go to eden press or paladin book-catalogs and find books on brain washing TECHNIQUES,in the soviet union but, not unlike any lover; you have to get used to the body you are with ;it's hard ,and, just ,as interesting ,to try and,  switch, to a different body completely,than what you're used to making it with.... but ,not impossible;
usually :equal weights ,or at least the same-category, of weights go together; naturally ;even in the ring; heavy ;lite; middle weights matched together are regulation.Maybe, you could emphasize the fem;or cleopatra ,&, you slave tarzan, or herculies scenario....I WOULD GUESS :sometimes: it's ,not unlike being with a wild-beast, AND, IT'S CLAN,or ,WITH A PARTICULAR  gorilla, IN A COLONY  ;you have, to imitate them, to BE safe ;PLAY ,and ,have your way with them .MY EXAMPLE IS: when i'm with a 400 pounder ;i try to act like it's a pig mother and a nuturing parent and, i'm the baby pigglet ,around the enormous mother  pig;  who simply tries not to get stepped on too much and die....
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ORIGINAL: windy135

I put this question on this board because I want to hear ideas from everyone.  I would love to top the guy I'm seeing but he is bigger and stronger than I.  It would be easy if he would just let me control him but he enjoys the fight, not including the idea of taking back the power.  It's all in fun and play, but does anyone have any ideas on how to top someone they are physically unable in control?


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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 4:16:56 AM   
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Im with the general concensus here - am never up for a power struggle - but I do truly get off more on toping big men :)

Mistress Oumae (a board regular here) has a wicked little item called the humbler. It traps the balls between the legs and the wearer must crouch a little in order to maintain a painfree existence while wearing. Cant see him fighting too much when wearing it.

I suggest using one of those :)

Its SUCH fun.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 4:20:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: windy135

I put this question on this board because I want to hear ideas from everyone.  I would love to top the guy I'm seeing but he is bigger and stronger than I.  It would be easy if he would just let me control him but he enjoys the fight, not including the idea of taking back the power.  Its all in fun and play, but does anyone have any ideas on how to top someone they are physically unable in control?


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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 4:23:58 AM   
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The last time I actually took down a larger man, I was armed with my fighting pike.  I told him the one that fell first could top.  I've been working with those damn things since I was 5 years old ... needless to say it was an amazing experience.  he was one that needed to earn the punishment.  So ... he did and I got a nice work out.  But I have to agree ... you'll have to employ a 'weapon' of some sort.  The bottom line ... have fun.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 4:48:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: windy135

I put this question on this board because I want to hear ideas from everyone.  I would love to top the guy I'm seeing but he is bigger and stronger than I.  It would be easy if he would just let me control him but he enjoys the fight, not including the idea of taking back the power.  Its all in fun and play, but does anyone have any ideas on how to top someone they are physically unable in control?

The majority of hetero Dommes are "topping" or controlling male/subs who could readily overpower them if things got ugly!  But NO, that's not why bondage is synonamous with the lifestyle.  What's really happening is that *mutual* needs are being met; that the one getting topped *desires* to be topped - and herein lies your dilemma....

You need to do some serious *communication" with him because right now, your need doesn't seem to be his.  You can only truly physically control another if it's consensual.  The other alternatives are generally illegal in civilised societies; which would likely end up with the State controlling you unconsensually for 3 to 5....
 
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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 5:41:51 AM   
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I'm larger then every Domme I've ever known & 95 % of the Doms too. I like to feel controlled even though I'm quite compliant. [ a sub with training- wheels I've been called] It's almost impossible for me to be mastered physically, even with restraints ["she'll have to let me go sometime"], I find the best way to maintain control is the no-nonsense, zero- tolerence, I'm -in -charge -attitude. Never let the sub get an inch, keep em under your thimb at all times.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 7:30:29 AM   
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Well, naturally you can top someone bigger than you if he or she lets you put the cuffs on. This can be an exertion of dominance, you know--coercion and persuasion are just as good as wrestling someone to the ground.

However, if you want to physically subdue a person bigger than you, you may be able to do it. You may want to take some martial arts classes; jujitsu, aikido, and kempo are useful for this, I'm told--kickboxing and its variants aren't so good. For your purposes, I would not recommend a self-defense class for women, because self-defense classes tend to emphasize lethal force and techniques to allow you to get away. You don't want to learn to gouge an eye out, especially if you're monogamous, because you can only use that trick twice. Of course, takedowns do get easier then.

I attended a good demo this weekend about joint locks and pressure points in BDSM. You need some amount of strength or weight to do a joint lock right, but you can definitely be smaller than the bottom. In general, you simply twist a joint to its limit (rolling the wrist, elbow, and shoulder forward, for example) and then lean into it--not much strength necessary, as you can use your body weight instead of muscular strength. I can't explain the techniques I saw adequately in a message, though you may be able to find webpages on joint locks.

Strikes (punching, kicking, knees and elbows) are useful to start a takedown, and if you do it hard enough, sometimes the bottom isn't keen on looking for more. There are vulnerable spots, like the nerves on the sides of the thighs (where quad meets hamstring) that you can go for. If you hit them hard enough, some people drop to the ground and are incapacitated for a few seconds--long enough to land a better strike to another place that will incapacitate them for a minute and allow you to apply bondage more easily.

There are little things you can do that give you an advantage when fighting with a man, because they don't tend to think of them--jamming your fingernail into his cuticle, bending a finger backward or bending the little finger to the side, grabbing flesh (the skin below the armpits is good for this) and twisting it, stomping on his instep. The key is a lot of quick pain, and then you hit him like above. Distraction tactics, essentially.

What about weapons? If you have a baton and the other person doesn't, you have an advantage. Some weapons may do better as threats. Putting a knife at someone's throat (and, naturally, protecting yourself against counterstrikes and attempts to get the thing) tends to make them cooperative, even if they outweigh you.

Please remember, too, that your strength is not fixed. I had been doing a lot of strength training and did a takedown with someone who I hadn't done resistance in a while, and he remarked on how I had gotten surprisingly harder to fight with. You can bet that got me back into the gym!

In general, you might be able to do a takedown with just the simple techniques I listed, especially if the bottom isn't fighting to his full ability. However, if you're serious about takedowns, lift weights and learn to fight systematically. An athletic, small person trained in a fighting sport can win against a less-fit, big, untrained person.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 1:27:27 PM   
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I'm larger then every Domme I've ever known & 95 % of the Doms too. I like to feel controlled even though I'm quite compliant. [ a sub with training- wheels I've been called] It's almost impossible for me to be mastered physically, even with restraints ["she'll have to let me go sometime"], I find the best way to maintain control is the no-nonsense, zero- tolerence, I'm -in -charge -attitude. Never let the sub get an inch, keep em under your thimb at all times.


Now Peter (reaching up and firmly grasping his balls with her VERY long nails) 
Say "Goodnight, Gracie"     (just kidding you, big guy :)

BTW.. although One may have to untie you at some time.. YOU have to SLEEP SOMEtime.  Just because you are not paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)  Oh the wonderful things to do to a sleeping Slave..... superglueing the ass crack comes to mind...

The mind is the vulnerable spot in all this.  If you cannot overpower someone.. you out-smart them.  You implant a thought.. a possibility...  The fatigue from being on gard is far worse than the compliance. And ALWAYS follow through on your threats if need be.

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RE: Topping someone bigger than you. - 9/4/2006 3:02:12 PM   
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It just kills me.... everybody is talking about how to be king of the mountain to a bigger person, and the girls and boys are giving all kinda good advice to a girl, (notably Wolfie) and when I want to get me an amazon, everyone says I got a napoleon complex..........


I just rags my ass.

Ron 

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