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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 6:07:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		How terrible.  I so loved his enthusiasm.  My unmentionables and I loved watching him and all the animals he showed.  Wow.  I'm sad.

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 6:53:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		From what I heard on the radio, the stingray punctured his chest, and it went all the way through to his heart. When they noticed him bleeding in the water, they got him to his boat, where a doctor performed cpr on him, while they tried to get him to a hospital, but he died before this could be done.

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:19:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't watch a lot of TV - but didn't this guy get a lot of traction from basically antagonizing wild animals until such time as they actually attacked him or something like that? So his whole shtick was being the manly man that wrestled with wild things, right? Pardon me, but given such circumstances this kind of thing was long overdue. Disrespecting nature and/or animals is simply not smart. It might make for good entertainment but not for a long life.

I suppose he died doing what he enjoyed doing: annoying animals for the camera.

So long, exhibitionist moron!

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:22:01 AM   
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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:30:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I don't watch a lot of TV - but didn't this guy get a lot of traction from basically antagonizing wild animals until such time as they actually attacked him or something like that? So his whole shtick was being the manly man that wrestled with wild things, right? Pardon me, but given such circumstances this kind of thing was long overdue. Disrespecting nature and/or animals is simply not smart. It might make for good entertainment but not for a long life.

I suppose he died doing what he enjoyed doing: annoying animals for the camera.

So long, exhibitionist moron!"

sorry CG, but you're out of line on this one. The whole annoying animals thing was mostly a reaction to his work from people who didn't understand it. His more enduring legacy will be the numbers of children who watched his shows and responded to his enthusiasm for animals. If you're going to criticise the recently deceased CG, best to get your facts straight first.......

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:31:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Crikey mate, on the one hand I cant believe he's gone, but on the other I cant believe he lasted so long.

I remember the first time he came on TV here - we honestly thought he must be some sort of lunatic to be jumping on huge crocs and grasping venomous snakes. It became clear though that he was just about the most able "lunatic" ever at doing these things and we thought that however dangerous it appeared to us, he knew what he was doing and so we would always have his infectious enthusiasm to enjoy. That he's gone just does not seem possible - if he'd wrestled King Kong I'd have put money on Steve to win.

Australia has lost an icon, and the world has lost one of those characters who made an impression on everyone who saw him in action. Still we must feel most for his wife and two children.
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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:35:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry. It's all entertainment to me. I didn't know the guy nor particularly respect what he did for a living.

Aren't there some guys on MTV called "Jackass" or something like that? When one of those guys dies I won't shed a tear either. Making a living by pulling dumbass stunts is just silly. It's even worse if it influences impressionable young imitators to follow in your footsteps because they wrongly believe dangerous acts have been made somehow safe because some guy just did the same thing on TV.

That's entertainment by spectacle. What the fuck is this, ancient Rome?

Maybe we can chum the waters somewhere with bits of Steve Irwin and incite sharks into a frenzy and then throw some Japanese game show contestants into the water - won't that be knee-slappingly funny? Isn't that the kind of stupid stunt they actually show on TV around the world?

When do we start feeding people to lions? That should be fun to watch...

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:41:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Where is your heart?  He was a human being with friends, family, children.  Whether he did anything stupid or not, is not the point.  Have you ever done anything stupid in your life?  Probably!

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:41:44 AM   
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With all the dangerous animals he dealt with while filming his shows, it is strange that he would die in a freak accident of this kind.
I have a bit of a problem with parents of small children doing dangerous things that could leave their children fatherless or motherless. But this was something so freakish, who could have forseen it? Has anyone else ever heard of this happening before?

If Stingrays are frightened, or are provoked they can sting and release a barb that penetrates the skin, embedding it with a potentially lethal toxin..... something like that anyway.  I have heard of this happening before, but it's not all that common.  

I agree with you....  as a parent, I consider it part of my job description  in taking care of my daughter, to take care of myself, and not put myself in danger.  She needs me.

What Irwin did though, was his life, his love, his career, and the way he was raised before he ever even thought of having a child, so I don't know if he really could have done anything less than he did, kids or no kids.

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:44:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chain - I think youre missing the point a bit. What he did was damned stupid yes, but it was the way in which he did it that made him so admired.
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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:45:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

I don't watch a lot of TV - but didn't this guy get a lot of traction from basically antagonizing wild animals until such time as they actually attacked him or something like that? So his whole shtick was being the manly man that wrestled with wild things, right? Pardon me, but given such circumstances this kind of thing was long overdue. Disrespecting nature and/or animals is simply not smart. It might make for good entertainment but not for a long life.

I suppose he died doing what he enjoyed doing: annoying animals for the camera.

So long, exhibitionist moron!


Of course you have a right to express your opinion however you are so far out of order here..

You just lost any respect I may have had for you.

You and I will not be conversing again!

May the mother of all camels spit in your food daily!


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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:46:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chaingang

I don't watch a lot of TV - but didn't this guy get a lot of traction from basically antagonizing wild animals until such time as they actually attacked him or something like that? So his whole shtick was being the manly man that wrestled with wild things, right? Pardon me, but given such circumstances this kind of thing was long overdue. Disrespecting nature and/or animals is simply not smart. It might make for good entertainment but not for a long life.

I suppose he died doing what he enjoyed doing: annoying animals for the camera.

So long, exhibitionist moron!
 
You do not have to watch alot of tv - I guess you just get your information (as usual) from crass and unreliable frenzied sources.
 
Steve was one of the worlds top conservation experts.  He was a reknowned reptile expert, as well as taking of Australia Zoo from his parents and making it Australia Zoo.  His environmental knowledge was unsurpassed for the local habitat.  He was greatly respected by conservation and wildlife community and regarded as a great natural historian as well as leading the Steve Irwin Conservation Foundation and the Crocodile Rescue Centres.  He was also in the forefront of being an ambasador for quarantine services.  He was also at the head of numerous anti poaching campaigns worldwide.
 
So as usual Chain - your talking crap - again...
Oh and it's ok... I am not expecting you to respond, because you never do to fact - only your own fiction.
 
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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:47:38 AM   
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sorry CG, but you're out of line on this one. The whole annoying animals thing was mostly a reaction to his work from people who didn't understand it. His more enduring legacy will be the numbers of children who watched his shows and responded to his enthusiasm for animals. If you're going to criticise the recently deceased CG, best to get your facts straight first.......


Hey, I love nature documentary programs. Please do not misunderstand me.

But I always preferred the kinds of shows where they had respect for nature herself and the ferocity of different species of animals. Animals are not your friends and they aren't like human beings in their responses.

Remember that film "La Marche de l'empereur"? I enjoyed that excellent film, but better still was the documentary on the DVD that made note of the filmmakers foolish toying with the elements - during filming they stayed out too long in the cold and suffered the effects of frostbite and IIRC one of them lost some fingers because of it.

I can tell you one thing about the stingray that killed Irwin - it was afraid and stung him because it felt attacked. End of story.


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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:52:42 AM   
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Chain - I think youre missing the point a bit. What he did was damned stupid yes, but it was the way in which he did it that made him so admired.


Ah, so he was entertaining - that makes doing stupid things okay? And yes, I have done a few stupid things. I am sure we all have. We didn't do them on TV, nor get paid for them, nor become internationally recognized as the doers of stupid things.

If you live by antagonizing animals maybe you die by antagonizing animals.

How am I being mean about it?


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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:53:19 AM   
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If Stingrays are frightened, or are provoked they can sting and release a barb that penetrates the skin, embedding it with a potentially lethal toxin..... something like that anyway.  I have heard of this happening before, but it's not all that common.  

Stingrays are passive animals, even the toxin is pretty low compared so most venom and unless you suffer an allegy it's not as bad as some spiders or jellyfish.  In this case what happened was the barb went straight through his chest and into his heart.  It was a complete freak accident.  It was like having a metal bar through your chest.
 
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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 7:57:56 AM   
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Chain - I think youre missing the point a bit. What he did was damned stupid yes, but it was the way in which he did it that made him so admired.


Ah, so he was entertaining - that makes doing stupid things okay? And yes, I have done a few stupid things. I am sure we all have. We didn't do them on TV, nor get paid for them, nor become internationally recognized as the doers of stupid things.

If you live by antagonizing animals maybe you die by antagonizing animals.

How am I being mean about it?



He did more good and more work than you probably ever have. He put great effort into making the world a little better, without being a sneering, pompous goof. As has been pointed out by many, you're an idiot. Say hello to the little red hand.

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 8:04:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		He will be missed. He was very education and funny. But in a very hazardous job also. My heart goes out to those in his family and community that were close to him. I hope they carry on his educational work.

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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 8:04:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't say I ever saw Steve Irwin "antagonise" animals he would approach animals and sometimes handle them, but when ever possible he did not handle them he was someone who had the greastest respect for animals and Chaingang, have you ever tried to educate not just a nation but a world of different enviroments?
Have you ever tried to get a message of importance to the world SUCCESSFULLY?
Some things can be dangerous but in my opinion Steve Irwin did a dangerous job in the safest way. If he hadn't done things safely and that in my opinion does include not antagonizing animals unduely he would have died alot younger...


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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 8:06:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chain - yes of course it was entertaining, but what Steve did was get us all to watch and take an interest in his work by showing us up close and personal about these animals in a way that no one else ever did before. I dont think he did anything differently for the cameras than he did when there were no cameras present, but of course it made good TV to have him show how they get hold of a croc to check its teeth - so more people watched and awareness of conservation etc was spread. To us jumping on a croc might seem one of the daftest possible things one can do, but for him that was what he did - not to show what a he-man he was, but as part of his ordinary work. That it made amazing viewing was the tool he used to spread the word.
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RE: Goodbye Steve Irwin - 9/4/2006 8:09:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, this just reminds me of that whole Siegfried and Roy thing. One of them was finally injured by a favorite animal. IIRC, the concern on the part of the two entertainers was that the animal had done nothing wrong - the animal had acted as expected for the kind of animal it is - that in fact, the animal was dragging Roy to safety after a fall. Their claim is disputed by other experts that claim the animal was simply too dangerous for stunts like those two entertainers were normally up to in their Vegas show and the beast had finally turned on its "master."

So what kind of animal is a white lion? A wild animal that cannot probably be fully tamed. Oh, they're cute as hell - just like Polar bears. These types of animals look at human beings and most probably think: "Food!"

Show of hands of those that feel sorry for the lion tamer?

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