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I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 2:44:42 PM   
littlesubjess


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Status: offline 		I happened upon a fem subs profile on here yesterday ... i dont want to name names, but basically, she is looking for someone to disfigure her ... in her words .. "destroy her completely, especially her face, tits and genitals" ... i messaged her just to tell her she needs to be careful. she emailed back asking if i wanted to be friends with her, as she doesnt think she'll be around much longer. I asked, "why? are you likely to end up in hospital?" ... she said, "no ... more like six feet under if everything goes to plan"

I added her to msn, and spoke to her about it in more detail. basically not only does she want disfuigurement, but hopefully to die too ...  i asked her why she wanted to die, and she said "because then it is the ultimate submission", but i said, "well whats the point if your dead ?" and this is what she said ...  "ive always sought to be punished, to be hurt, to be damaged, getting more intense desires over time ... ive known for years this is how i want to go, so now i aim to do it"

Now, im not having a go ... i know everyone has their own ideas, kinks, dreams and desires, but i just dont get it ... can anyone explain ... or at least try to help me understand ?

i cant help thinking that this girl may be deranged in some way ... that she needs help before she does, or allows someone to do something serious to her.

Anyone ?

Jess xxx


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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 2:46:22 PM   
Homestead


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Status: offline 		Suicidal depression. Sounds like she needs committal to an institution.

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 2:52:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		.......or, she got exactly what she wanted.  Attention.

That happens to be their kink.

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 2:57:20 PM   
littlesubjess


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quote:

ORIGINAL: smilezz

.......or, she got exactly what she wanted.  Attention.

That happens to be their kink.

~smilezz~


hmm ... yeah ... i never thought of that ... still, it seems a bit of an extreme way to get attention ....

Jess xxx

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 2:57:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had a friend who committed suicide once.   I did a lot of reading after, the overwhelming majority of suicides will quietly tell you they are going to do it.......they go gentle into the goodnight...........they never proclaim it.


Tell you what, send the bitch to me, it is gonna be full makeup, fire engine red lipstick every day, dressed to the nines, perfect diction, inestimable grace in bodywork, everyday all day, when I am not around she will read and be able to cogently discuss that and those things that I find intriguing ..........I will disfigure her ass alright, and she will wish she was dead...........


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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:00:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sounds like a really sick puppy who needs some treatment

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:02:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've mentioned this once before in the last couple of weeks.  There is a book I have that I read quite some time ago (and by thumbing through it probably really need to read again) called the 'John Q Letters'.  Basically the book is about 'John' and the series of subs/slaves he had encountered.

He has a chapter with 'Margot', who, although says she doesn't like pain, wants him to do unspeakable things with her.  For the most part, he does.  She must have been long-distance, because it did not seem their affair very constant.

Her way of getting her 'torture' was to put 'ideas' into envelopes, which John would pick and carry out.  At the end of the tale, after she had disappeared from his life, he speculated that she was probably dead.  That she had met someone else to play her game, and that this person was somehow less scrupulous and had carried out what was in the envelope.

'Torture me to death'.

The idea isn't new, but of course it is rather unusual.  It does rather smack of 'no limits' (to tie in with the other thread).

Jeff

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:09:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Sounds like a really sick puppy who needs some treatment



So do the rest of us to the vanilla world.

I think it depends on a few factors.  Whether or not she has experience in D/s will affect how well she can estimate whether this is what she truly wants, and maybe she really knows what she's getting herself into.

For example, she's been in M/s relationships with an extreme sadist, more extreme than we can imagine, and has come out feeling unfulfilled.  No matter what, it was never enough, be it physical, emotional, or psychological.  She has thought on it since, tried out different things, and come to the conclusion that she needs the most extreme sadism, permanent harm.  If she doesn't get that, she cannot be happy.  If she gets it, she will be happy, but not for long.  Given that choice, perhaps we can understand her a bit better.

And maybe she's just a newbie, an attention whore, or a 50 year old, fat, smelly man.

Yours,


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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:12:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

And maybe she's just a newbie, an attention whore, or a 50 year old, fat, smelly man.



benji,

DOWN BOY!!!!

I'm only 45, and quit outing me in my other profile.  Humph!

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:16:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I had a friend who committed suicide once.   I did a lot of reading after, the overwhelming majority of suicides will quietly tell you they are going to do it.......they go gentle into the goodnight...........they never proclaim it.




I concur.... it is most likely a desire for attention and using your own compassion as means to manipulate attention from you.....


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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:16:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Sounds like a really sick puppy who needs some treatment


Looks like a nice pussy to me

Mr. Pete

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:18:59 PM   
Mavis


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Status: offline 		we have a regular in chat on alt that comes in and trolls for a male to dismember him and eventually end him.. it's very disturbing if this is a genuine wish, and in some ways even more disturbing if it's only a fantasy or a game player..  the countless hours others have spent trying to talk him down, and seeing what they deem cold hearted responses by those of us whoknow he's been talkin this way for 2+ years causes all sorts of friction.. don't know what to tell you aside from it's not common, but does come up from time to time.  

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:19:59 PM   
littlesubjess


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Status: offline 		lol Benji, you never fail to make me smile ... ]

back to the original topic ... my last Dom told me about the sub he had had before me ... she was a real "painslut" who could not climax until her Dom had drawn blood. it got so extreme that he landed her in hospital 3 times. he released her in the end because he said he couldnt cope with it all ... and it is no surprise. I dont think i could bring myself to hurt the person i loved (which is probably why im sub not Domme haha) ... i sometimes ask Mistress if it bothers her when she sees me crying after a particularly crual or tough punishment, but she says she just "switches off". i'm not sure how anybody could live with themselves knowing that they had taken a young girls life just like that. Unless they had pyschological problems of course.

I'm concerned that, like Benji just commented, "how well she can estimate whether this is what she truly wants, and maybe she really knows what she's getting herself into." ... shes playing very dangerous games, because there could quite easily be someone out there who WOULD do that to her.

*shivers* ... a scary thought

Jess xxx



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Anything is possible if you try hard enough ...... xxx

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:23:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll take another view- EVERYTHING has a fetish attached to it.  As well, there are lots of people in the world who really DO desire to disfigure themselves.

Her idea that this is what "ultimate submission" is suggests that this particular person is likely not being realistic about the situation (because submission is not a competition game or for someone out to prove something), but she may very well have these specific desires and turns ons.

There's scary stuff in the scene, people discount them so easily because they aren't the flogging/spanking norm.  But they do exist.

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:31:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: littlesubjess
I happened upon a fem subs profile on here yesterday ... i dont want to name names, but basically, she is looking for someone to disfigure her ... in her words .. "destroy her completely, especially her face, tits and genitals" ... i messaged her just to tell her she needs to be careful. she emailed back asking if i wanted to be friends with her, as she doesnt think she'll be around much longer. I asked, "why? are you likely to end up in hospital?" ... she said, "no ... more like six feet under if everything goes to plan"


I would greatly appreciate it if you gave me this person's screen name. 
I would like to talk to her.  There is a female who got some guy to torture
her death.  He is serving a prision sentence.  I understand her fantasy. 
She could be very serious, or she may just have a craving to discuss
her fantasy. 
 
Someone who is very masochistic, and is having a rotten life can see
this sexual fantasy as an out.  She may feel she is unlovable.  She may
need love, and has given up on ever getting it from someone she can
love in return.  She may hate herself.  Whatever the case, she could be
quite serious.  
 
She could have a drug addiction.  There are many reasons why people
have this sexual fantasy.
 
I find it very say that people here would condemn or judge anyone.
 
She may or may not be suffering from suicidal depression, but if she
is she does not necessarily need to be committed to an institution. That
is not likely to help her.  There are drugs that may help her.  She
should be supervised 24 hours a day, while taking these drugs, because
they can at first lead someone who is suicidal to commit suicide. In
other words, they make a person more prone to suicide before they
improve they lift the person's depression.
 
Best regards,
Michael
 

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:36:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Her idea that this is what "ultimate submission" is suggests that this particular person is likely not being realistic about the situation (because submission is not a competition game or for someone out to prove something), but she may very well have these specific desires and turns ons.



This part I disagree with.  Just as pony play is very submissive to some, and it is not at all to me, activities make each person feel differently submissive (or not)

Perhaps what she meant is that a bit of pain and a few bad names does not make her feel submissive, large amounts of pain make her feel kinda submissive, and that disfigurement would be the ultimate form of submission FOR HER. 

She's not judging the rest of us, but just saying that, to her, this is what it's about.

To me, the ultimate submission would be service.  To her, it's that.

Since we don't have her here, it's tough to know what she meant.

Yours,


benji

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:43:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
I'll take another view- EVERYTHING has a fetish attached to it.  As well, there are lots of people in the world who really DO desire to disfigure themselves . . . she may very well have these specific desires and turns ons.  There's scary stuff in the scene, people discount them so easily because they aren't the flogging/spanking norm.  But they do exist.


Exactly!  People can have extreme fantasies, and
can feel they are an out, if they believe they really
don't have much to live for, or if their craving is
strong enough.   How many people have ever
fantasized about being fucked to death?  Her
fantasy is very similiar.  Coupled with a rotten
life devoid of love, it may not be that hard for
someone to choose to die by living out their sexual
fantasy. 
 
How many people engage in breath play?
How many people have unprotected sex knowing
they can contract a disease that is worse than
death.
 
I would not be so quick to judge others.  

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 3:54:06 PM   
littlesubjess


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Status: offline 		[/quote]  
 
How many people engage in breath play?
How many people have unprotected sex knowing
they can contract a disease that is worse than
death.
 
[/quote]

The above is actually so true ... i never thought of it that way ... really, i suppose we all "dice with death" one way or another sexually at some point in our lives .... although, if some one did die from breath play or even a sexualm disease .. it would be seen as a tragedy and not as  a planned, thought out euthanasia exercise.

Jess xxx

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Anything is possible if you try hard enough ...... xxx

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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 4:06:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: smilezz

.......or, she got exactly what she wanted. Attention.

That happens to be their kink.

~smilezz~


* Laughs

Very astute. I see that kink around a lot of late.

To answer the opening post, I would first state this hypothetical individual sees the ultimate in submission in a rather interesting way. How is making a self-centered and all-consuming fetish of this idea submission? If we suspend likely reality and assume this person is really seeking an indiscriminant suicidal mutilation, any who grant the request would be serving her.


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RE: I Just Don't Get It - 9/4/2006 4:14:07 PM   
littlesubjess


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Status: offline 		ohhhh yes ,..... i never thought of that either lol ... ohh you lot are helping me see it in such a different light now ... thanks all !

Jess xxx

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