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The word "True" - 1/5/2005 9:11:00 PM

sub4hire

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Over the past few days I've noticed more and more thread's with people using the word "true."

I have to wonder what exactly that means? Are their untrue people as opposed to true people?

Or are true people supposed to be more real than untrue people?

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RE: The word "True" - 1/5/2005 10:24:27 PM

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No idea what they mean. I just know I hate it.

I admit, too, when I see someone use the word "true" in describing someone/thing I take their words a little less seriously.

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RE: The word "True" - 1/5/2005 11:02:56 PM

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I believe the use of the term"true" to be someone who (perhaps new to the scene or inexperienced) to be a generic word to mean more honest then they have seen or heard of in there own experience as opposed to what they have heard from others...

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 12:51:30 AM

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I don't much like it, or take it any more seriously than someone who doesn't proclaim truth...
I take most with a grain of salt until actions correlate with words.
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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 3:08:24 AM

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I have noticed that folks that use the descriptor are either new (as mentioned), or are trying to utilize the word to exclude people whom they feel threatened by. It is used as one of those generic adjectives that have no real meaning, but could include everyone they do not agree with or who do not portray a chanracter or characterisitics that appear (to the speaker) to be "less than" whatever the 'ideal' being described 'is'.

I simply know, that in most instances in which it is used - I am very glad to be "un-true". ;)

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 4:06:40 AM

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But can the word true be all bad?

If I want to be true to myself....If I want to be a true slave and find the slave's heart and willingness on my submissive journey. To me true just means an adjective of pure intentions, pure of heart not a judgmental adjective.

Can't the word "true" be used positively as well? I think we need to look at the context and "true" intentions of the the 4-letter word. Let's not ban the word from Webster's just yet....

Respectfully,
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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 4:22:43 AM

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In describing carolyn, I have said she is a "true" submissive.

What it means to me is that she is true in her submission to me.

I have had other subs that had to work to be submissive, but in carolyn's case, it comes to her naturally, and it truly gives her peace and comfort in her submission.

True could be exchanged with natural in this case. I choose true, it seems to fit better.

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 6:26:14 AM

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True means it fits the parameters of thier personal definitions of how they perceive something.. (For instance, a Darley Davison nut will only call a Harley a "motorcycle"..Everything non Harley, and having two wheels is a "toy".)

Don't let it get to you...It's merely someone expressing that they have difficulty with the "shades of grey concept".

Calling a peanut butter sandwich the "Eiffel Tower", does NOT make it so!

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 7:44:26 AM

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The problem is not the word, saying i am true to myself, or i truly want to stop eating to much chocolate, or i feel true love, that is not bad, that is a problem is when pepole use it do describ pepole as true submissives, indicating that all that is not like that are not real submissives, or in the occult world when one might use true followers of the path and the like, and i hate that. But then all speak the whay they want to and who am i to argue.

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 8:08:44 AM

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This girl says we go ask the pony, the pony always knew who was real or not real...VELVETEEN RABBIT...lmao

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 8:18:27 AM

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Ok so, she asked the pony...the pony says we are all just figments of the collective unconcious of quantum mechanics and to stop being so engrossed with ourselves and our own little string....lmao.

In all seriousness this girl read a wonderful article once, the author escapes her but the title gives the jist of it..."Fabricating the nest" it was posted in a Gorean board a few years ago...at any rate this is what all of us do to a certain extent...fabricate our nests...and so what is true or untrue to one one person or the next is highly subjective.
Sir Webster defines truth as faithful to fact or reality...especially coming from the mouth of a slave or submissive...whose reality is merely in many ways the shadow of their Owner to them...it is the world in which they function...so largely for them pretty much anything within their "reality" is their "truth". In the TPE forums there is always a great topic thread of one form or another on egocentrism. And how in TPE's and M/s real time relationships there is a bit of a group think psychology going on in the dyad or triad and so in many ways it is egocentric and their own little "world" in which their own "truths" apply.
she thinks many people over state their own "worth" for lack of a better word in the larger macrocosm of BDSM, because in the microcosm of their lives they are the one true submissive et all.
she will freely admit that for herself it is often difficult to communicate outside the circle she lives in day in and out...for this very reason. It's like communicating on another planet lol at times. Here what are clearly agreed to definitions for distinct words like "slave, "submissive" etc...well as W/we all know in the greater world fo BDSM everything becomes grey and confusing so it makes it hard to communicate. she thinks this is the key to communicating in these type of forums, not at all something she has mastered...but something to consider....the key is remembering that this is like another planet you have stepped on and all these people are coming from different backgrounds, ways of thinking, elements of BDSM....so communication will be difficult at best...but has the potential to be highly enlightening...with the variance of experiences out there.

just her two cents,

sabrina King

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 9:10:42 AM

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quote:

This girl says we go ask the pony, the pony always knew who was real or not real...VELVETEEN RABBIT...lmao

sabrina King

Right on

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 10:11:12 AM

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quote:

Over the past few days I've noticed more and more thread's with people using the word "true."

Gloria,
I'll tell you how I deal with it in the vanilla business world that unfortunately I have to exist in from time to time.

When I ask a question and the person begins his/her answer by saying either; "Well truthfully...." or "To tell the truth....". I usually interject and ask if this was the first time they were truthful with me - since obviously they have to qualify their answer.

So, to tell you the truth, I honestly think it's an indication of self doubt.

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 10:35:53 AM

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True - loyal, sure, reliable, trustworthy, faithful, dependable, sincere, authentic, tangible, genuine, actual, pure and real.

Just a few words of what "true" can represent.

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Are their untrue people as opposed to true people?

Sure there are. Fakes,phonies, wannabes, and so on, and so forth.

quote:

Or are true people supposed to be more real than untrue people?

Unless of course they are a fakes, phonies, wannabes etc.

I think it all comes down to ones own beliefs. What may be "true" for me may not be "true" for you.

Take care,

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 10:58:15 AM

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quote:

To Thine Own Self Be True

William Shakespeare

In the end, it only really matters how the word makes you feel.....................

Main Entry: [1]true
Pronunciation: 'trü
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): tru·er; tru·est
Etymology: Middle English trewe, from Old English trEowe faithful; akin to Old High German gitriuwi faithful, Old Irish derb sure, and probably to Sanskrit dAruna hard, dAru wood —more at TREE
Date: before 12th century
1 a : STEADFAST, LOYAL b : HONEST, JUST c : archaic : TRUTHFUL
2 a (1) : being in accordance with the actual state of affairs <true description> (2) : conformable to an essential reality (3) : fully realized or fulfilled <dreams come true> b : IDEAL, ESSENTIAL c : being that which is the case rather than what is manifest or assumed <the true dimension of the problem> d : CONSISTENT <true to character>
3 a : properly so called <true love> <the true faith> <the true stomach of ruminant mammals> b (1) : possessing the basic characters of and belonging to the same natural group as <a whale is a true but not a typical mammal> (2) : TYPICAL <the true cats>
4 : LEGITIMATE, RIGHTFUL <our true and lawful king>
5 a : that is fitted or formed or that functions accurately b : conformable to a standard or pattern : ACCURATE
6 : determined with reference to the earth's axis rather than the magnetic poles <true north>
7 : logically necessary
8 : NARROW, STRICT <in the truest sense>
9 : corrected for error
- true·ness noun

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 1:58:44 PM

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<Tongue in Cheek> Twue Dominates deserve no less than twue submittives. </TongueInCheek>

Ok, now for serious converstion mode: I see this word most commonly meaning "does bdsm *my* way" in threads. I generally percieve the people using the term as either not being tolerant of other peoples viewpoints of bdsm, or simply ignorant to the other paths that may be available.

That's my highly personal take on the use of the word within context of bdsm. Your mileage may vary, and I encourage it to do so.

There is one True dominant thing on the planet though, and everyone submits to it's authority. It's called "True North"

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 3:15:56 PM

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It look's like we have quite the different meanings. The most predominant here being true mean's, real or my way of doing things.
I am a real person, perhaps I should start calling myself True Gloria?

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 3:47:12 PM

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the word "TRUE"

well I kinda think this might be a conversation in the off topic board but what the hay, it's all good.

As to reading the word true, well maybe it's becomeing a more fashinalbe word in todays coversation. True as in "nods" or "I agree" or even "OK"

Think of it as when people use the word "Like" and "Ya Know".

Other than that, all I can say to your post is True

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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 4:14:02 PM

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When it is used as an adjective as a personal or second person statement (in the personal possessive form) ["I am true to myself"/"She is true to her calling"]. However, the exception most people have with it is that it is often used in an adjective in a global context: "A true submissive would never...."

That is an egregiously improper assumption of an authority, that place a personal belief (whether valid or not) as an immutable morality, definition, or status on others who are avowed to be outside of societal norms - and, generally outside of most others.

It would be akin to walking into a church and preaching atheism as though it were the absolute answer.

A futile exercise (at best).

In such a context, it is not a "matter of opinion" (as some have stated), but an insult to anyone possessing a brain and often times specifically aimed (ineffectively) and meant to censure others from comment that might be contrary.

Needless to say, many people have opted to stop using the term in order to prevent a halt in communication that might be accompanied with the ensuing argument about who the bigger idiot is.

Use of such wording (as "true" is not the only such word, phrase, or expression of thought that brings about such a reaction) tends to rankle folks (and, not without cause) It is this "flavor" of "thought" (or, lack thereof - as often is is something that is regurgitated from Castlerealm, the "Dominant's Creed" or other 'likely suspect' site or person) that makes people take offense (or, in my case - be amused).

But, this is just my opinion.
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RE: The word "True" - 1/6/2005 9:35:09 PM

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I think most of us subscribe in some way to the idea of "true" or "real" in terms of how we judge those we come into contact with. I think it's common to have some baseline criteria that needs to be met before someone is accepted as genuine rather than a poseur, predator, wannabe or HNG. I think it's only because that baseline criteria differs so greatly from individual to individual that we get so caught up in the endless semantics discussions.
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