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Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cooking Oil. - 9/6/2006 6:22:08 PM   
cuddleheart50


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This is from my local newspaper.  

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/6/2006 7:50:40 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		I have a diesel VW I bought that runs on cooking oil.  They are outlawed new here in California due to the shortage of diesel fuel.  So, I did what I had to do to be able to get what I wanted.
Also made a few grand in profit.  In any event it is extremely cheap to drive these cars once converted.  Not hard to convert either.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/6/2006 8:04:48 PM   
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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/6/2006 9:02:40 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		There is a business in West Hollywood that converts diesel engines to run on cooking oil. It can run on used cooking oil too. Now they just need to figure a way to cook french fries while you drive.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/6/2006 9:17:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember this much about these systems though, don't go barhopping.

These engines will run on cooking oil but they won't start on it. So you NEED to remember to switch it back to deisel fuel before shutting down.

I heard about this about four years ago, where yall been ?

Actually you could make a mixture of used motor oil and ethanol distilled from your grass clippings. There are many other types of fuel. We just can't see it. Too many trees.

Running deisels has to be a decision made in quiet. It has to be considered carefully. In a big truck you don't hsve much choice, nor in a locomotive. Certain applications are for deisels, no doubt. But a car to run around in is not one of those applications IMO. IMO.

The modern gasoline burning internal combustion engine is so clean now, I had one car I swear was an air cleaner. It read 0 on everything except CO2. You can't read 0 on CO2 unless you shut the car off.

Tellya what, if someone could come up with an engine that could swich between deisel and normal mode, they could be rich. Inside city limits you switch to normal gas, when you get out on the open road, flip it, go ahead. On a normal car you'll need to bypass the catalytic, illegal, but doable. You can get a variance for research purposes.

First of all, the theoretical compression ratio of a deisel must be had. While that compression must be held for deisel operation, it needs to be abated for normal gas/benzine/petrol operation. Now those of you familiar with camshaft technology in high perfomance engines might already know this, but this problem can be managed simply by having three valves per cylinder and manipulating the timing.

For deisel operation you have a linkange which pulls the rockers out of position somehow, this is on the normal lobe, which is open longer, lowering the effective compression ratio. When closed the theoretical ratio is much more nearly achieved, like :22:1 to 25:1.

Not a bad idea, but can someone implement it ?

In gas operation the "gas" valve stays open longer. This reduces the effective compression to a reasonable level, even though the theoretical compression is high. This should also aid in scavenging a bit, so in gas operation, higher RPMs are desired. In fact it may be the only way to do it.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/6/2006 9:39:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Once again sub4hire, you pull bullshit out of your ass.

Any chance you could finally post a link to any of your BS about diesels in CA?  You didn't do it last time when I called you on and here you are again spouting the same BS.

The issue with Diesel in CA is particulates/smog and nothing else.

http://www.arb.ca.gov/diesel/rppot.htm

Link to the California Air Resources page specifically on diesel issues in California and it has nothing on the BS you are spreading.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/6/2006 9:55:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sub4hire

I have a diesel VW I bought that runs on cooking oil.  They are outlawed new here in California due to the shortage of diesel fuel.  So, I did what I had to do to be able to get what I wanted.
Also made a few grand in profit.  In any event it is extremely cheap to drive these cars once converted.  Not hard to convert either.



I don't think this is true at all. My Owner is big into biodiesel (aka, recycled cooking oil) and we've done research into getting a car that we can run on it. That's totally OK in CA, and encouraged in the community we used to live in.

As long as the car passes smog, as far as I know, there isn't anything wrong with a diesel car.

Random fact about biodiesel--any standard diesel engine can run on it with no conversion necessary. Supposidly you need to clean the engine a little more often though. Oh, and it smells like burning popcorn when you run it.


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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/6/2006 10:39:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cooking Oil.

I once travelled into the laundry room on a used banana peel.


Edited to say that that cooking oil shit must be mega slippery.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 8:34:53 AM   
sub4hire


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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Once again sub4hire, you pull bullshit out of your ass.



Crapman, why would I tell you how to make money if you can't figure it out yourself?
Do the research is all I can say.  I am a member of a group of 5000 who are into this....shouldn't be too hard for the research to happen.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 8:52:28 AM   
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Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cooking Oil.

I once travelled into the laundry room on a used banana peel.


Edited to say that that cooking oil shit must be mega slippery.


Noah! You stole my gag! Not bad considering its locked on someone's face right now....
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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 9:03:44 AM   
sub4hire


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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

I don't think this is true at all. My Owner is big into biodiesel (aka, recycled cooking oil) and we've done research into getting a car that we can run on it. That's totally OK in CA, and encouraged in the community we used to live in.



Here you go perverse, doing research really isn't that hard....quote from the VW site.  Notice TDI's...these mean Diesel engines.

MSRP
All prices are in U.S. dollars. Specifications, equipment, options and prices are subject to change without notice. Some items may be unavailable when vehicle is built. MSRP excludes taxes, title, optional equipment, and emissions, destination, and dealer charges. Emissions charges may vary by jurisdiction. See dealer for details.

TDI
The TDI engine is a diesel engine. Diesel engines are not available for sale in Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, New York or California.

Standard Features and Options Table
All equipment listed is subject to production-related change or delayed availability.

Airbags
Airbags are supplemental restraints only and will not deploy under all accident circumstances. Always use safety belts and seat children only in the rear, using restraint systems appropriate for their size and age.

Roadside Assistance
Roadside Assistance is provided by Road America.

Warranty
Please review limitations and exclusions with your dealership representative.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 9:34:06 AM   
CrappyDom


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Status: offline 		sub4hire, you were wrong before and you are wrong now, none of which should surprise anyone familiar with you. 

You wrote:
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  They are outlawed new here in California due to the shortage of diesel fuel.


I and others pointed out in another thread and now this one that the issue of diesels in california HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH A DIESEL SHORTAGE...
 
I even posted the page from the official State of Califonia Air Resources Board stating that but you persist in spouting off what I must now believe is some sort of lie because you can't still be ignorant of this issue.


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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 9:37:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		somewhat related since it's about alternative fuels. i know there are commericals now for some other type of gas(i think it's different than disel, it might be diseal) and i know the company of it is BP..but my thing is that half of the gas stations you go to only have regular gas..so i don't understand how you can properly market a car where you might not be able to fuel it in your town. i'm still waiting on the manul for using cooking oil for gas to come out.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 9:40:59 AM   
CrappyDom


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Status: offline 		Not the best source (Univeristy of Las Vegas) although it does cite an LA Times article but I am only going to waste so much time showing how wrong you have always been...

http://www.ulv.edu/ctimes/web_exclusives_stories/diesel.htm

quote:

  
California to Consumers: Choke or Fry?
 
Yet despite the dark days of yore, a pair of German automakers are forging ahead with campaigns to spread the gospel of the new cleaner, peppier and more dependable passenger car diesel.  Volkswagen’s New Beetle, Golf, Jetta and Passat all offer diesel engine options, while DaimlerChrysler offers diesel versions of both the Mercedes-Benz E Class sedan and the Jeep Liberty SUV.

Yet there is one significant catch: None of those vehicles can be purchased new or registered for use in California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York or Vermont, due to the fact that they do not meet the emissions regulations set by the California Air Resource Board (CARB) and adopted by the four New England states, regulations that are substantially tougher than those set by the federal government and used by the remaining 45 states.  The current regulations were adopted for model year 2004 vehicles, which is why Zervigon was able to purchase his dark blue 2003 Golf TDI.

Karen Caesar, a CARB spokeswoman based in the agency’s El Monte office, says that CARB is not trying to ban certain technologies, but is instead holding all technologies to the same standards.  It just so happens that currently-available technologies cannot allow diesel engines to be as clean as gas engines.
Dan Neil, the Pulitzer Prize-winning automotive critic for the Los Angeles Times, believes there are three major obstacles diesels are faced with in California and the United States in general.

“The main stumbling blocks,” he says, “Have been 1. low-sulfur fuel availability; 2. particulate filters and 3. NOx.”

“In the U.S. in order to sell diesels,” he continues, “They have to make a good case in California, which requires they meet SULEV standards, which means the engines have to be sealed” and not require any maintenance of items such as particulate filters for intervals of well over 100,000 miles.


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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 9:44:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jesskitty

somewhat related since it's about alternative fuels. i know there are commericals now for some other type of gas(i think it's different than disel, it might be diseal) and i know the company of it is BP..but my thing is that half of the gas stations you go to only have regular gas..so i don't understand how you can properly market a car where you might not be able to fuel it in your town. i'm still waiting on the manul for using cooking oil for gas to come out.


The companies that produce and refine oil products are generally those who also market it for public consumption. What sort of business would market a product in direct competition with their own highly profitable product, or not seek to prevent the use of that product as far as possible?
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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 10:13:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jesskitty

somewhat related since it's about alternative fuels. i know there are commericals now for some other type of gas(i think it's different than disel, it might be diseal) and i know the company of it is BP..but my thing is that half of the gas stations you go to only have regular gas..so i don't understand how you can properly market a car where you might not be able to fuel it in your town. i'm still waiting on the manul for using cooking oil for gas to come out.


35% of the stations in California have diesel fuel.  It varies from state to state.  BP is in the process of making biodiesel.  They are building a plant in Nebraska as I write this.
The issue is there is a cleaner burning diesel that has 15PPM not readily available to every consumer it needs to be at the moment.  It is expected soon but not quite yet.
Crapman, I am sorry if you seem to think I read what you have to say. Every single time you cannot start a conversation without an insult first...I stop reading.
So, I haven't read probably about 90% of anything you've ever had to say.
Really, you are not all that significant in my life and neither are most of your follower's.  Sad but true.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 11:00:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, does saying you are wrong sound like an insult to you?  Now I understand you a bit better.  As for your deep concern for insults, I see that doesn't apply to you since you just love calling me "crapman"...

Perhaps if you listened more when people take the time to explain to you how wrong you are you might start getting something right.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 11:11:30 AM   
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First of all, the theoretical compression ratio of a diesel must be had. While that compression must be held for diesel operation, it needs to be abated for normal gas/benzine/petrol operation. Now those of you familiar with camshaft technology in high perfomance engines might already know this, but this problem can be managed simply by having three valves per cylinder and manipulating the timing. endquote:
 
Sorry Mr T but compression ratio has nothing to do with valve timing.
Compression ratio = the volume of the bit thats left when piston is at Top Dead Centre divided into the swept volume of the piston.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 2:18:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		wow!  And I just thought this was interesting.

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RE: Man Travels From Florida to Kentucky on Used Cookin... - 9/7/2006 3:02:30 PM   
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All this about nothing.... Hate to tell you guys, here in Aussie we've been doing this for over 10 years.. Howabout comming up with something new and inervative like the people here who run vechicals on H2O... Gawd fuck a duck even........


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