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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 9:21:26 AM

LadyEllen

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seeks - I will let other people decide what they read into it perhaps?

"Rights for child murderers" thread, Off topic discussion section.

Somehow the discussion wandered into talking about Mary Whitehouse and Barbara Woodhouse, two elderly women famous in the UK in the 70s and 80s. I confused the two, seeks corrected my mistake - which he seemed to have found rather charming in some way.

Your post number 82 at 0626 9/7
"I hope you dont think I'm picking on you LadyE, but I think I'm falling in love"

At that, I quickly edited my profile as is only responsible I felt, given that seeks might now be about to look at it, to mention my sex/gender status - previously withheld on the grounds that it usually attracts unsuitable enquiries to mention it in advance.

There was then a period of c. 4 hours before seeks' post number 85 to me at 1038 9/7
"You forgot to mention that they both look like a man. We could get into trouble for deviation..."

Circumstantial perhaps, my paranoia perhaps, innocent coincidence perhaps. But I seriously doubt it somehow.
E

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 9:42:00 AM

LadyEllen

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Now to return to our original programming..........

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ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

The comment <femmes of both genders> is a little joke aimed mostly at those males, in the commonly accepted sense of the word, who seem to have swallowed the feminist arguments hook line and sinker.

I note "mostly"

Men have made super colossal contributions to the present state of the world, based on a high level inquiring intellect. This is demonstrably not true of women to anything like the same extent. These contributions are not recognised in the media, celebrity sex obsessed world in which we live.

and yet you continually choose to ignore the cultural circumstances which prevented women from contributing in times past, and to ignore any contributions in more recent times and to suggest that no future contributions are possible, let alone likely

Lady E: I have not digested your profile I have read it and I do not remember reading anything in it that made me feel uncomfortable.

as per my previous post, I will let the people read into it, what they will. Meanwhile I am best suspicious

Filo's constant request for sources doesn't allow for the fact Filo that some of us try to think for ourselves. If I absorb information I do not along with it note its source. I did know that IQ tests tended to support, as poster Strongbutkind described, the point of view I am trying to get accepted. I also know which was one of the first major very large scale IQ test surveys to describe race based differences in intelligence. But that is very controversial subject in todays world. However I think that if ever it were accepted, by both sides and without malice of any kind , then the better certain areas of the 3rd world will be. B Geldorf's rants achieve nothing. I have seen an Afro Carribean claim that she would probably be better off if her Island was still run by the Brits. Especially for Filo that was in a programme presented by King Darcus Howe exploring his formative roots. In fact same lady told Darcus to F off back to the Island he came from.

I think this pretty much sums your entire thought process. The only right way to be is WASP, heterosexual and male, and anyone else should accept the wise guidance of those appointed over them by "the Lord" or sum other such paternalistic nonsense from a bygone and far from perfect age. Its paradoxical to me that someone so possessed of intellect has not thought his way out of this frame of reference. The world is not perfect now either of course, but its no more imperfect than it was before (likely less so if anything). And this is not a view of you I have developed simply from this one thread either.

If I had said that, taking sprinters as the control group, Men can run the 100 metres faster than Women , would I have got the same response. I think not though I expect Filo would have asked for a sociological survey before he accepted the truth of it.

and you it seems can run the assault course of evidence based argument on any topic whatever, faster than anyone else - probably because you dont deal with the obstacles that others put in your way through reasoned points, but rather run around the outside of them

Lady E: I think you have made some very perceptive and intelligent posts on a range of subjects.....so there ! Just agree with me on this one and then maybe something can develop from there. lol

And you have made some very intelligent but flawed posts on a range of subjects. If you read some of my earlier posts, you might see that I'm not so much disagreeing with the main point of differential gender based evolution of the sexes there. Where I am disagreeing with you, is in your obstinate assertion, as it seems to me and I think to others, that females are universally incapable of producing major contributions to the world. And BTW, nothing is going to develop because quite apart from the mentioned reason, I would simply not be good enough to keep up with your evidently more developed intellect (not). Also, whilst on a web forum I can use restraint, I'm also aware that in person I'd likely throttle you in under ten minutes!

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 11:55:40 AM

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They're just now realising this?
And this is "research?"
How much did they have to spend to figure (this) out?
Sheesh!
Is the "Academic World" that far behind the rest of society?

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 12:07:42 PM

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Yep. It's all about fucking at the end of the day which has me thinking, men pursuing science and the arts is a way of displaying their intellectual tail feathers to women. Women want the best genes for their offspring, they have few chances so they need to be choosey and get it right first time if possible, though lets not be blind to a little bit on the side should someone who seems a better option comes along.

Nail on the head. Everything we do is designed to snare the opposite sex (and the same sex for those that way inclined). Whether it's the clothes you wear, the music you buy, the way you walk, the tone of your voice, the cock extension you buy etc - everything.

Men, well, if it breaths she's fine, he needs to spread himself around as much as possible.

Standards MC, get some standards. Quality over quantity.

I wonder how many of the men on here who express the idea of female inadequacy next to supposed male innate superiority, actually have a special woman in their lives?

It's a strange argument this because regardless of gender, race, religion, nationality we all respond to the conditions set for us. There is no inherent superior anything - we adapt according to our relative opportunities.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 1:49:52 PM

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Filo attacks me by saying
Thinking for yourself would allow you to find sources that back up your assertion
You mean to tell you which document I read to feed me the ideas that allowed me to think for myself. ? lol

Lady E: When I first read paragraph 2 in your post 133 my eyes glazed over and I did not absorb its meaning. Now I have read it more carefully all I can say is that I am glad you recognised that you had insufficient space to elaborate on your ideas. lol
Also Lady E I have looked at your profile again and still there is nothing there that makes me uncomfortable. My <femmes of both genders > joke was not specifically aimed at you.

It is a brave man indeed who projects an unfashionable idea.
One so simple and obviously true too.

How about 20th century quality popular music then ? The type that went out of fashion as Rock and Roll took over.
Where are the female equals to Jerome Kern, George Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Harry Warren , Cole Porter, Jelly Roll Morton,Duke Ellington, Harold Arlen,
Frank Loesser, Lerner or Lowe, Not sure which wrote the music.

What cultural straight jacket stopped the femmes writing quality pop.
Loadsa money there ?

< Message edited by seeksfemslave -- 9/13/2006 1:54:33 PM >

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 2:14:02 PM

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"It is a brave man indeed who projects an unfashionable idea.
One so simple and obviously true too."

i know that this is the myth you tell yourself at night......a lone voice of reason in a world gone mad.......i hope it keeps you warm.
If the 'truth' you so pompously and sanctimoniously keep insisting is really true you would have no problem at all proving it. You would be able to point at reams of evidence, that which is seen, to prove your point.
You have serially failed to do this. Instead you resort to snide insults and repeated assertions that don't get any truer by repetition.
Intellectually you are a charlatan, you proved that conclusively on the Darwin thread and here.......and given that you are trying to argue some twaddle about men being intellectually superior to women, you clearly can not spell or understand irony.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 2:31:13 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

There are women that are scientifically inclined and there are women that are not. It is well known that Athena was the patron goddess of science and crafts.

As for I.Q.: it is a small part of the mind that is measured by I.Q. tests. These days someone having a high I.Q. does not particularly and necessarily impress me. I have concluded that high I.Q. people often are not the most evolved humans, but the least evolved ones.

Now they can cut your brain apart and determine your IQ (to see if you lied about it?)... They do note differences in grey matter and white matter between genders' brains which they have carved up... "she sliced up good!"
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/09/11/gupta.genius/index.html

The only problem is that you are dead and can't answer any questions.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 4:07:33 PM

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Filo said about me...
Intellectually you are a charlatan, you proved that conclusively on the Darwin thread and here.......and given that you are trying to argue some twaddle about men being intellectually superior to women, you clearly can not spell or understand irony.

Well you certainly haven't understood what I have said so I cant see how you can possibly know whether I am right or wrong !

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 4:44:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave

If I state that I do not believe that men are superior to women in the full human sense and that is not accepted then there is nothing I can do.
The comment <femmes of both genders> is a little joke aimed mostly at those males, in the commonly accepted sense of the word, who seem to have swallowed the feminist arguments hook line and sinker.

Seeks, I have been trying to figure out your angle on this entire way of thinking, and I do believe you may have inadvertently pointed it out. I appreciate humanity in all it's splendor as a whole, the accomplishments & contributions, large and small, to our species and way of life. You for whatever reason seem to only appreciate roughly half of it, only 50% of the world has apparently had any influence on you or your life. Seems to me that is a loss, mostly yours and in reality is quite shortsighted. It is this exact ideal that creates enemies among countries, among civilizations, among races and among any people, tribe, group, etc. who feel they are superior to "the others" and in the end, this creates chaos and wars. I would prefer to be peaceful with a room full of females, than to be warlike hanging around with my bros. Just a thought....hmmm.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 5:16:39 PM

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"Well you certainly haven't understood what I have said so I cant see how you can possibly know whether I am right or wrong !"

.......there are two possible reasons for me disagreeing with you. One, the explanation you favour....me misunderstanding you. Two, i understand everything you have typed and recognise it for intellectual fakery.

Not surprisingly i favour the latter explanation.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 5:24:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: philosophy

"Well you certainly haven't understood what I have said so I cant see how you can possibly know whether I am right or wrong !"

.......there are two possible reasons for me disagreeing with you. One, the explanation you favour....me misunderstanding you. Two, i understand everything you have typed and recognise it for intellectual fakery.

Not surprisingly i favour the latter explanation.

Psst...philo...click the one you are replying to, not me...lol.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 6:45:06 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

seeks - "it strikes me the femmes of both genders......."

Will all women with a penis please take a step forward!

Runs out to buy bigger one.....brb so wait for me MW.......LOL.

durn ya twicehappy...you do realise that civilisation as we know it is doomed...cause I KNOW you have penises of mass destruction now...and I will have to find them!!!!! *sighs* the "cold" penis war between Canada and the States is now a fact of life in this thread....*chuckles* I have the "bigger penis" seeking technology and will seek out your "large penis" twicehappy...and I shall SMOTE it; SMOTE it about the head and ummm err heh .. shoulders???? *sneakily knicks twicehappy's "bigger penis" and blinks innocently*

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 6:58:39 PM

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Blah, please don't apply such a baseless and hollow word like "psychology" to the concept of honor or the biological inclinations in the male half of the species.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/13/2006 10:53:26 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: seeksfemslave
Then Zensee sees insult in having a feminised brain. Why is that Mr Z ? Surely there is no difference between male/females , you have said so yourself !

When I see some of the arguments marshalled against me I think it is right to conclude that the opposition do not understand the point, it is not name calling at all.

Don't flatter yourself that I was insulted - I merely identified your propaganda technique. Your "arguments" are a study in labeling (name calling), obfuscation, diversion, avoidance, ambiguity, reductio ad absurdum and too many other cheap tricks to list in one thread. When are you going to offer some fresh evidence – your best argument was provided by someone else and you even squandered that!

Come on man, I’m running out of troll food.
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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/14/2006 12:01:35 AM

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I always thought that PC thinking was a product of a mindless Liberal minority. People who will not judge anyone or anything and will find excuses for every kind of nastiness in the world. I would say that today, a pregnant woman could commit almost any crime imaginable, and get away with it.

Either I was wrong, statistically unlikely lol, thought I had better emphasise the lol, get it LOL, or the PC brigade have infiltrated CM.

Stand up and be counted males of the world, you have nothing to lose but your panties, mentally speaking !

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/14/2006 1:55:23 AM

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What's ironic is that in the research study, it really had nothing to do with fighting, superiority, femininity or masculinity.... it was an exercise in investments by college students of both genders in colleges across the country. In the findings of each group of students, the investment tactics and strategies were relatively similar between both genders.

The "male warrior effect" was observed to manifest itself when the student groups were told that their investment strategies would be compared to other groups of student's investment strategies. When this was revealed, the investment strategies of the male students changed... across the board, only after the presence of a perceived competiting group.

Further interesting points in the CNN brain dissection linked article were that remarked brain composition differences were noticed between male and female brains. The location and amounts of grey versus white matter were widely different between the sexes, grey matter being the processing neurons (thought and reason) and white matter being connecting neurons (interface between brain areas). It was further noted that physically larger brains tended to be capable of higher IQ's... so one can say the bigger the head the larger the intellectual capacity and be accurate.

Whether this correlates to a bigger penis concept or to a thinking with the little head concept is relative to the reader I suspect. However, it did infer that brain size means something (higher capacity for intellect) and that typically male heads and brains tend to be larger then female heads and brains.

Are male's heads and brains getting smaller through evolution while females heads and brains are getting bigger? If so then that would indicate times are a changin'... if not then you tell me, are we the way we were?

The article did not suggest any form of superiority of either brain, so those type concepts may be only in one's head.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/14/2006 3:10:22 AM

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The transition from Paleolithic hunter-gatherers to Neolithic farmers and herders
is summarized well in this link on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution

Please note the first paragraph under the heading, "Agriculture In Asia", which
mentions the theory that women were largely responsible for the development
of horticulture and agriculture.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

If it wasn't for men we'd still be living in caves. They might be nice and clean and pleasant caves but caves none the less.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/14/2006 3:16:22 AM

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Either the U.K. government or a private individual funded research
to find this out? Geesh, like knowing that men are more likely to
be competitive and agressive needed to be proven?

Now, if you tested the communication, cooperation and agression
of women who were fighting to protect their children, wonder
what kind of results would be forth coming?

quote:

ORIGINAL: NastyDaddy

NORWICH, England (Reuters) -- Men may have developed a psychology that makes them particularly able to engage in wars, a scientist said on Friday.

New research has shown that men bond together and cooperate well in the face of adversity to protect their interests more than women... http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/09/09/warrior.effect.reut/index.html

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/14/2006 3:25:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval

The transition from Paleolithic hunter-gatherers to Neolithic farmers and herders
is summarized well in this link on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neolithic_Revolution

Please note the first paragraph under the heading, "Agriculture In Asia", which
mentions the theory that women were largely responsible for the development
of horticulture and agriculture.

Regards,

Vendaval

quote:

ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

If it wasn't for men we'd still be living in caves. They might be nice and clean and pleasant caves but caves none the less.

I have no doubt that women like to tame and domesticate their men and keep them safe at home where they can keep an eye on them, I used to be married.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/14/2006 3:32:06 AM

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Yeah, separate porta potties would be great, Lotus Song.
That way the whole argument of having the seat up or down
would be avoided. Plus there would not be any puddles on the floor from faulty aim!

Why am I getting visions of an "Iron John" convention with
Robert Bly and Arnold Schwarzenegger as the featured speakers?
All the dudes sitting around a campfire in loin cloths, hairy chests in all their glory,
beating on drums and smoking the tobacco pipes and letting out
their manly man inner selves to howl at the moon and roar in the woods?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Bly

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

... and of course it would be very tastefully decorated. Will it at least have a hot plate and porta potty?

Actually with our "fox holes".. we wouldn't need YOUR foxholes :)

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