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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 1:19:26 AM   
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I do not believe women are second rate humans and have said so at least twice.



Really? It must have become lost in all this.

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If it were not for men I dread to think what the level of our civilisation would be.

Women have their place of course, and we all know where that is.

In the UK girls only started to outstrip boys as the education system was progressively corrupted…

Since there are clear differences in physical strength, why not intellectual strength ?

In fact increases in behaviour patterns in women, attributable  to the stress  their new roles have imposed ,has also been reported. Drunkeness, smoking, stress illness, neuroses, violence. etc.

I still firmly hold to my OP that men have shaped, in many very positive ways, the world we live in, in a way that women never will ! So obvious I cant believe anyone would even consider denying it.

I have not denigrated women I have tried to point to the fantastic achievements of many men.

It seems to me that the female role in the procreative and nurture process is probably the cause of the difference in the high level intellectual abilities between the sexes.

Yes at the highest level of creative thinking and  creative activity  I do assert the superiority of the male sex.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 1:43:54 AM   
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And why do we fight? So they won't take our women.


Yep. It's all about fucking at the end of the day which has me thinking, men pursuing science and the arts is a way of displaying their intellectual tail feathers to women. Women want the best genes for their offspring, they have few chances so they need to be choosey and get it right first time if possible, though lets not be blind to a little bit on the side should someone who seems a better option comes along. Men, well, if it breaths she's fine, he needs to spread himself around as much as possible.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 2:32:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder how many of the men on here who express the idea of female inadequacy next to supposed male innate superiority, actually have a special woman in their lives?

A question prompted by Scooter's wonderful post..........

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 2:32:30 AM   
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Scooter said.....
I love to build and I'm better at creating ridiculous amounts of horsepower than anyone I know, but she is the one who would be more likely to make it continue to purr.....
 
Scooter, at the level at which you describe aren't you really making my point. Neither activity is creative tho'
I do not believe women are second rate humans and have said so at least twice.
That would only apply for this particular topic and not 100% of the time. When it comes to many other topics, occupations, skills, I would feel more inclined to maintain than create. Somehow I don't see myself designing and sewing up window coverings or bridal gowns...lol. If you examine the broad spectrum, we tend to have specialties that in many cases appear to be gender driven...but are more a product of our society, not necessarily our chromosome content. I'm quite sure there is room in the world for everyone's creative abilities and certainly wouldn't want to stifle that creativity by limiting it to one sex or another. At the end of the day...I think they both bring forth their finer points. 

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:18:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		"I wonder how many of the men on here who express the idea of female inadequacy next to supposed male innate superiority, actually have a special woman in their lives?"

.....why do you think he's called 'seeks'? Substituting hearsay and bald opinion for facts and verifiable events doesn't prove his thesis........quite the opposite. The fact that he has misunderstood the point of the OP and replaced it with an anti-feminist tirade speaks volumes too.........methinks he doth protest too much. 

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:21:09 AM   
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Morning NG, up to your old tricks again I see. In the UK girls only started to outstrip boys as the education system was progressively corrupted and touchy feely methods introduced.  Quite apart from that boys are distracted by the sexual/masturbatory images constantly projected in their direction.



Ah, the one memory I have of 8th grade science class is Miss J sitting on her desk, asking "Level do you think my legs are "too fat"...... they most assuredly were not......

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:21:46 AM   
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What it takes to be a fully integrated human being particularly in human relationships is far more than high intellectual ability. Indeed the really bright are often lacking to the point of being non functional.

Therefore pointing out males' higher intellectual capacity does NOT relegate women to second class citizens, any more than noting the fact that many women cant throw a ball with any grace. That fact gives we men lots of laughs I can tell you !

What I am claiming can clearly be seen to be true when the broad sweep of history is examined.
Ladies and male femmes.....please admit it !

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:28:42 AM   
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Scooter said.....
I love to build and I'm better at creating ridiculous amounts of horsepower than anyone I know, but she is the one who would be more likely to make it continue to purr.....
 
Scooter, at the level at which you describe aren't you really making my point. Neither activity is creative tho'


It is true Scooter is great with making anything go faster but you should also note that Scooter did not say i could not or did not design or build motorcycles, i have and can do both. And while it normally takes me about 3 months to get one up and ready the ones i have built usually fetch between 25 and 35 thousand dollars.
 
And it is not uncommon for the three of us (two of which are female) to sit around and go through parts and paint (Jewel is very good with trim and decal design, she designed all the custom stuff on the bagger one pixel at a time), adding or subtracting color and custom pieces until we have what we want in our heads for a bike.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:30:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		ah-ha! Now I get it - its that you're really bright!
Indeed the really bright are often lacking to the point of being non functional

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:40:14 AM   
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Therefore pointing out males' higher intellectual capacity


A question if you will seeksfem, what is your IQ? I have mentioned all three of ours at least once or twice in other posts. You post yours and i'll post mine and provide proof by giving you links to the threads i had posted it in previously, ok?

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:40:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lady E... I profoundly wish I was really bright....but I am intelligent and well read enough to recognise the achievements that have mostly been made by MEN. Also it is true that I have not been good at close relationships !

Twicehappy...your bikes seem expensive to me. I think I will stick with my Yamaha. Bet Scooter cant improve on the Jap engineers achievements. lol

My IQ is about average I should think. Never had it tested. When I was younger I did a job interview that put my mathematical reasoning very very high. Sorry, but you did ask.
This debate is not about me it is about the distribution of hi intellectual capability and achievement male v female.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 3:46:05 AM   
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Twicehappy...your bikes seem expensive to me. I think I will stick with my Yamaha. Bet Scooter cant improve on the Jap engineers achievements. lol


Actually what i build is about mid range for a custom build, you should price a Ness creation, they are rolling art, it is a matter of pride and a lifestatement to own a Harley. I think i'll let Scooter answer the last statement though. 

Mine is 156, you can follow the link to double check the correctness of my statement.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_303320/mpage_2/key_156/tm.htm#304568

I think you are wrong here, men and women have equal intelligence and capabilities, and you might note your insisting otherwise is i am sure quite off putting to the women reading this thread. You may wish to consider that if you are truly seeking a female slave here on cm who probably will read this thread. Unless of course you are assuming or hoping she will not be smart enough to read.
 
 

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 4:05:19 AM   
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I wonder how many of the men on here who express the idea of female inadequacy next to supposed male innate superiority, actually have a special woman in their lives?

A question prompted by Scooter's wonderful post..........

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I'm innocent. I live alone and wouldn't have it any other way, no matter how special the woman is in my life. I guess its once bitten twice shy. You certainly have to be up early in the morning to match a woman.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 6:53:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Therefore pointing out males' higher intellectual capacity does NOT relegate women to second class citizens"

However, failing repeatedly to offer any proof for such an assertion says an awful lot about you seeks. i ask you again, show some proof......something more than a vague list of succesful men, or right wing newspaper headlines, or what some bloke said to you in a pub. You say that men have a higher intellectual potential than women, then utterly fail to display anything approaching an intellectual basis for such an assertion. Can you spell irony?

"That fact gives we men lots of laughs I can tell you !"

i'm not laughing at you seeks, but i do feel sorry for you.......

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 7:49:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am almost hesitant to add it, in that many will misinterpret, but I'll defer to the Miltonian marketplace and all that and hope for the best.

The studies that have been done, most notably last summer's publication in the British Journal of Psychology (but also one in this month's Intelligence), suggest men have a decidedly higher average IQ, as well as a greater variance at both ends. The high IQ folks are 2:1 male, and the very high IQ folks are 5:1 male.

Noteworthy also is the fact that this difference is not present until late adolescence/early adulthood -- this is attributed to the fact that women mature more quickly.

Critics point out that since men have been dominant in psychology throughout the history of psychology, maybe the tests are to blame. Given the well-established differences between men and women in spatial and verbal abilities, it would seem possible to weight things differently to achieve the opposite result on average (though perhaps not at the extremes).

It is foolish to think that given the biological differences between men and women that there is no difference in mental ability.

It is even more foolish to suppose that one is better than the other -- almost certainly the combination of many types of intelligence gives us more power to advance society than focusing on only one.




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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 9:38:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Needless to say StongButKind I think you have made a good post.
The same evidence also exists across the race divide I believe.. No doubt going down that road would really stir things up.

It always astonishes me the varied techniques that people employ when confronted with an argument with which they do not agree but cant really rebut headon. I actually believe that can be quite a high level skill frequently practised by many clever politicians. Not necessarily for any malevolent intent.

I have been accused of derailing the intent of the OP but I dont see it that way at all, in fact my first response went along with the idea of some men's proclivity for violence but then countered with mens' achievements which are much undervalued and clear for any who wish to, to see.

As I have already said...Ladies and male femmes....concede    lol.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 9:39:52 AM   
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are you sure you can't spell irony?

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 9:42:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Intelligence tests are culturally biased. It would be difficult to design a cross cultural test. If I was stranded in a jungle I would rather put myself in the hands of a local than someone who is a genius according to a western IQ test.

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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 10:22:28 AM   
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perfect expressions of the female drive to conform to the expectations of the society in which she lives?


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Males tend to prefer to control their environment rather than conform to it


Haha boys will be boys and girls will do as they are told ... you should write Hallmark cards

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and it is this attempt to achieve an advantage that leads to innovation


and here was I thinking necessity was the mother of all invention





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RE: Researchers identify "male warrior effect" - 9/12/2006 10:26:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course there are certain psychological and physical attributes in humans which are more emphasised in one or the other of the two accepted sexes. Many of these are likely the product of evolutionary development arising from adopted gender roles.

Men, it is generally accepted, have better spatial awareness. Women, it is generally accepted have better communication skills.

What really, deeply annoys me (and others I perceive) is the attitude of some men that it is solely those attributes emphasised in the male which matter, and who then try to demonstrate this supposed superiority of attributes by reference to the pre-eminence of men in various fields, in a culture where gender roles were determined not by any actual male superority, but by reference to the misogynistic values of the Bible.

Just a hint boys; if you want your genetic inheritance to be passed on, (and since its so wonderful, no doubt you do), understand that the world has changed and misogyny is no longer acceptable in our culture, especially amongst those through whom you might wish to achieve just that.
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