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How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:09:54 AM   
TheMightyBitch


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Status: offline 		I was talking with someone about letting people out in the world know about me being in the bsdm lifestyle and they suggested wearing jewelry with this emblem on it that is 3 swirls.  I have seen it before in some peoples avatar here.

I can't load a picture of it,but I'm guessing you know what I am talking about.
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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:12:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		The triskellion is known almost universally in the public American scene.  However, the symbol itself is far older than how the modern bdsm scene has taken it with a lot more symbolism within it than what our culture puts on it. 

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:30:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

The triskellion is known almost universally in the public American scene.  However, the symbol itself is far older than how the modern bdsm scene has taken it with a lot more symbolism within it than what our culture puts on it. 


Is there any reliable information online about the triskellion? It is a lovely symbol.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:31:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		A little of the mythology of the triskelleon 
 
 
The triskele, or triple spiral, a symbol closely related to the triquetra, is a tripartite symbol composed of three interlocked spirals. The spiral is an ancient Celtic symbol related to the sun, afterlife and reincarnation. The example above comes from the Neolithic "tomb" at Newgrange, where it is supposed by some to be a symbol of pregnancy (the sun describes a spiral in its movements every three months; a triple spiral represents nine months), an idea reinforced by the womb like nature of the structure. The symbol also suggests reincarnation- it is drawn in one continuous line, suggesting a continuous movement of time.
 
Triskeles are one of the most common elements of Celtic art; they are found in a variety of styles in both ancient and modern Celtic art, especially in relation to depictions of the Mother Goddess. They also evoke the Celtic concept of the domains of material existence- earth, water, and sky, and their interrelations
 
The Mistress of animals, as she is sometimes referred to, is a fourth century stonecarving of an unknown Norse Goddess. She usually appears with serpents in each hand, possibly linking her to the ancient Babylonian Goddess Ishtar, or to the Cretan Bee Goddess. She is probably a creator goddess, as she is shown in a birthing position.
 
The triskele above her head most likely symbolizes the Goddess as creatrix. It is made up of the three animals emblematic of the Celtic domains of existence: the boar, representing the earth; the snake, an emblem of water; the bird, representing the sky.
 
 
 

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:48:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could you expect that by weraing this symbol in public you might get people to come up and talk to you?

You know, get them to think:  "That is a hot Dominate looking woman with the giant triskellion on her T-shirt, I wonder if she would be interested in me"

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:54:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheMightyBitch

Could you expect that by weraing this symbol in public you might get people to come up and talk to you?

You know, get them to think:  "That is a hot Dominate looking woman with the giant triskellion on her T-shirt, I wonder if she would be interested in me"


That is very possible, or they might take you for a submissive .... or a switch....smiles

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:58:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Information about the "official" BDSM emblem:

http://members.aol.com/quagmyr/emblem.htm

Please understand that there are folks who have issues with Quagmyr and his position regarding the symbol, I present the link for information purposes only, I do not have a dog in that particular fight.

As a three part emblem I have seen it rendered as similar to the Yin/yang symbol, but meaning the three parts of our selves - as Body, Mind, Spirit.

Hope that helps!
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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 7:59:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: TheMightyBitch

Could you expect that by weraing this symbol in public you might get people to come up and talk to you?

You know, get them to think:  "That is a hot Dominate looking woman with the giant triskellion on her T-shirt, I wonder if she would be interested in me"


That is very possible, or they might take you for a submissive .... or a switch....smiles

 
I think that is a way of "outting" yourself to those who are familiar with the symbal and its meaning without it being seen as forcing anyone to partake of the lifestyle.
 
I have known several Dom/me and subs who have either worn necklaces with it and several that have gotten tattoos of the emble.
 
julia, I am curious why you think it would mark someone as submissive or a switch?



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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:01:48 AM   
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julia, I am curious why you think it would mark someone as submissive or a switch?

The point is that the triskellion doesn't mark anyone's orientation- so assumptions could be made that she was any orientation.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:04:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

Information about the "official" BDSM emblem:

http://members.aol.com/quagmyr/emblem.htm

Please understand that there are folks who have issues with Quagmyr and his position regarding the symbol, I present the link for information purposes only, I do not have a dog in that particular fight.

As a three part emblem I have seen it rendered as similar to the Yin/yang symbol, but meaning the three parts of our selves - as Body, Mind, Spirit.

Hope that helps!
- Geoff


I don't have a problem with it except I find the leather pride flag to be just find and it seems to me that the triskelleon is brought up to counter a "mostly" gay symbol. If so, that bothers me a lot.

I can walk arm in arm with my leather family regardless of sexual orientation outside of BDSM. I don't feel the need for other symbols.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:08:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika
julia, I am curious why you think it would mark someone as submissive or a switch?

The point is that the triskellion doesn't mark anyone's orientation- so assumptions could be made that she was any orientation.

 
Exactly, my point. Someone could just easily assume she was a domme in my mind. The emblem doesn't label someone top or bottom, ect.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:12:47 AM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Exactly, my point. Someone could just easily assume she was a domme in my mind. The emblem doesn't label someone top or bottom, ect.

That's what Julia was saying also.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:13:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TheMightyBitch

Could you expect that by weraing this symbol in public you might get people to come up and talk to you?

You know, get them to think:  "That is a hot Dominate looking woman with the giant triskellion on her T-shirt, I wonder if she would be interested in me"


Hi MB,

A bit of BDSM education time - the word you want to be using here is DOMINANT .

Dominant is an adjective describing who and what we are as people.

Dominate is a verb, describing what we do within a scene or in our relationships.

MB, you are a "Dominant woman" not a "Dominate woman".  Unless you are into topping women, in which case you would say "I like to dominate a woman."  or "I dominate women."  If that's so, we have a lot in common!  *grin*

It's the same problem as if someone were saying "I'm a submit male" as opposed to the correct form - "I'm a submissive male".

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:35:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi tammyjo!

If you look closely at my tattoo, the dragon is holding the triskelion "BDSM" symbol.  In that way I am "flagging" left all the time. *grins*  On my car (and leather vest) I have a Leather Pride flag, and I'm considering getting a Master/slave vanity plate for my front license plate spot.

For those not familiar with the Master/slave flag or symbol:
http://truetales.org/writings/tallen0508msdsflag.htm

The BDSM symbol was created to be a low-key way of identifying the three sub-cultures of BDSM - Bondage & Discipline, Dominance/submission, and Sado-Masochism.  It was not developed to be anti-gay, but to be used by people who might be into BDSM but who did not identify as being part of the Leather community.  While there is a LOT of cross-over, there are many Leather folk who don't consider themselves to be "into BDSM", and many BDSM folk who don't consider themselves to be "into Leather."  Thus the different symbols.

Me, I'm inclusive as all get out... I identify with Leather, BDSM, M/s and pretty much every other alternative, kinky, sexually deviant sub culture (except pedophiles, necrophiliacs, and animal "lovers")  *grins and shrugs*  Bring on the deviant symbols! 

YIK,
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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:44:01 AM   
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Then here is a great similarity :)  

So yes, you will either be identified as lifestyle or part of the government transit authority :)

(just interjecting a bit of humor here.. not making fun at all.  But when I first saw this US Dept's insignia.. it did make me giggle.)

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:44:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

Hi tammyjo!

If you look closely at my tattoo, the dragon is holding the triskelion "BDSM" symbol.  In that way I am "flagging" left all the time. 


My house tattoo that matches the one Scooter and Jewel share is a phoenix with the bdsm triskellion on it's stomach, it is on my  upper arm like theirs. The difference is that theirs was split in half so when the stand arm to arm it makes a whole bird while i have the same double headed  bird in it's entirety symbolizing that i am owned by both.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:55:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe I'm blessed with domsub-radar... I've always had pretty damn good luck picking them out in the crowd. At that point the choice is mine as to whether I make it known to them who I am.

There are pretty easy ways to bring up that topic & still be able to cover yourself before you prove to all those in the conversation that you were wrong in your suspicion. As an example: down my way we have "Bash" pretty much everyone in the scene knows about it. If I suspected someone was a like-minded soul I could easily say... "hey, didn't I see you at Bash?" if they look at me kind of funny & ask what that is... I can change the subject. Same could work with a more common term such as "munch"... in a pinch you can always change that to be more along the lines of brunch.

The triskele means so many different things to so many different people. In fact, most of the people I have seen wearing this didn't even have a clue that it was being used around these parts. I made more mistakes using that symbol as an indication of their involvement more so that trusting my own instincts. After 3 or 4 times I stopped using it as any indication of lifestyle involvement.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 8:58:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: EvilGeoff

For those not familiar with the Master/slave flag or symbol:
http://truetales.org/writings/tallen0508msdsflag.htm

The BDSM symbol was created to be a low-key way of identifying the three sub-cultures of BDSM - Bondage & Discipline, Dominance/submission, and Sado-Masochism.  It was not developed to be anti-gay, but to be used by people who might be into BDSM but who did not identify as being part of the Leather community.  While there is a LOT of cross-over, there are many Leather folk who don't consider themselves to be "into BDSM", and many BDSM folk who don't consider themselves to be "into Leather."  Thus the different symbols.



I like the flag :)  It did remind me of  I-Ching symbols though.   Is the upright  representing the slave and the 3 horizontal is for the master?

I did find that the symbol of the 3 horizontal  lines is for "soft metal"

http://www.i-ching.arollo.com/index.htm


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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 9:04:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		The treskele is nice to look at, but i've always wondered why we didn't just wear an eye hook from the hardware store on a chain around our necks.  They look sort of like an ankh, and could be used as ice breakers.
     " Sooooo, ( holding up eye hook ) what is the most ....interesting thing you have ever used one of these for? " 
 
If the answer involves hanging a fern, the odds are that they aren't your flavor.

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RE: How well know is this Emblem? - 9/11/2006 9:05:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I like the flag :)  It did remind me of  I-Ching symbols though.   Is the upright  representing the slave and the 3 horizontal is for the master?

I did find that the symbol of the 3 horizontal  lines is for "soft metal"

http://www.i-ching.arollo.com/index.htm




With the M/s flag, I believe the single upright "|" is derived from the symbol used in electrical work for "power".  The three horizontal lines are from a psychology perspective and mean "passive" or "submissive".  I don't think the symbology was taken from the I-Ching.

YIK,
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