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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/13/2006 3:42:08 AM   
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Men get ignored by most women in here. Why do you expect men to be truthful and be polite to you? Ignoring someone is not being respectful and polite, so why expect men to be respectful and polite and honest when all women in here just ignore men anyway? No matter how a man approaches it, a man can be polite all he wants and he still gets ignored. How about the women in here make fake profiles being a man and see how it goes?

I don't agree here.  I don't think men get ignored by most women.  I used to reply to every single email I received...either an interested response or a no thanks.  If it was interested, we'd chat or whatever until we found we were or were not compatible and go from there.  The ones I said no thanks to...a few (a very few mind you) were very nice, polite and said thanks for responding.  The majority, however, would send back a why not email and try and engage me in conversation.  Now, I already took my time to say no (in a nice way) and I'm getting barraged with, very often, rude, nasty emails in reply.  "You don't know what you're missing" and much, much worse.  Or I'll get those who argue that I should give the person a chance when I have already clearly read that person's profile and there's no way in hell we're compatible.  Perhaps, I prefer older or younger men and I believe that's a choice I am entitled to...I get really nasty ones saying that I'm not a true sub or whatever.

At least for me, that's the reason I don't respond to all emails any longer.  Why should I suffer abuse because the guy who contacted me is a jerk? 



Sorry I bolded that, but I still don't quite have the hang of the quote thingy and I wanted to make sure my response was separate from your quote.

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/13/2006 6:21:31 AM   
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I only have one profile & it says "bisexual". Actually, I don't know if I'm bisexual or not, & I don't care. I never pick up guys, I never feel attracted to men outside of a D/s situation. I will submit to men & put bisexual in my profile to show I am a "full-service slave". There is no conspiracy

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/13/2006 1:11:28 PM   
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Hating? No, its just telling the truth of HOW ITS LIKE FOR MEN. I am sorry if you think it's hating the pussy. When ever a man says how hard it is for his gender, it seems to be hating the pussy for many women. It gets tiring. If thats how women want it, I guess its fair to say all feminist are men haters, hows that?  I just wish women looked at their own behavior, which they never do.

I wouldn't want to be around women if I hated them. I just ask for fairness.


Here we go again with the Blame Game.
Oh nick, nick, nick...
When you are discussing these things with Women who are involved in or interested in full Power Exchange relationships, it simply does not apply.  Maybe you need to look at who you are contacting?  I know for a fact that you would never, ever be the boy for Me.  You are a bottom, plain and simple.  And that is alright!
But I look for something much more involved that some kinky play in the bedroom (you bottom, Me top!) and then afterwards fetching you a beer while you watch the game.
The minute a boy says to Me "that's not fair", I show them the door.  As M said, life in general is not fair.  But a TPE relationship is definitely not fair from the viewpoint of anyone peeking in. 
You need to get off this rant.  It is getting old, and you are not making any points.  Trust Me!
Back on topic...boys who have more than one profile (and they are both active), will simply be questioned, if caught, that is.  If they are willing to be straight because they hope their profile will be seen by Ladies who put that in a search criteria, but they are also willing to be Bi, and hope that Ladies will see that in a search criteria, they may be able to explain very well.  The main concern is that boys who may truly desire bisexual experiences to be included in a D/s or M/s relationship could run into probelms by denying that they have this desire in order to get involved with a Lady who does not enjoy or allow any m/m play. 
It is so much easier to be honest.  If you are straight but willing to be with a man for your Domina's amusement, say so in your profile text, or say so in introduction or conversation.  If you are not, same thing.  Just say so.  If you are bi and have bi needs, just say so!  By the same token, many of these boys will write to anyone with a vagina (just like you are saying, nick!)  and just try to claim that they are exactly what the Lady is seeking. 
Guess what!  We will figure it out.  And it usually doesn't take that long!  And then everyone feels like they have wasted time.  None can or should try to be what they are not.  It is just a set up for failure.
So why play the game?
According to the book of nick, I guess it is because that is the only way they can possibly get any attention. 

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/13/2006 2:37:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

Hating? No, its just telling the truth of HOW ITS LIKE FOR MEN. I am sorry if you think it's hating the pussy. When ever a man says how hard it is for his gender, it seems to be hating the pussy for many women. It gets tiring. If thats how women want it, I guess its fair to say all feminist are men haters, hows that?  I just wish women looked at their own behavior, which they never do.

I wouldn't want to be around women if I hated them. I just ask for fairness.


Here we go again with the Blame Game.
Oh nick, nick, nick...
When you are discussing these things with Women who are involved in or interested in full Power Exchange relationships, it simply does not apply.  Maybe you need to look at who you are contacting?  I know for a fact that you would never, ever be the boy for Me.  You are a bottom, plain and simple.  And that is alright!
But I look for something much more involved that some kinky play in the bedroom (you bottom, Me top!) and then afterwards fetching you a beer while you watch the game.
The minute a boy says to Me "that's not fair", I show them the door.  As M said, life in general is not fair.  But a TPE relationship is definitely not fair from the viewpoint of anyone peeking in. 
You need to get off this rant.  It is getting old, and you are not making any points.  Trust Me!
Back on topic...boys who have more than one profile (and they are both active), will simply be questioned, if caught, that is.  If they are willing to be straight because they hope their profile will be seen by Ladies who put that in a search criteria, but they are also willing to be Bi, and hope that Ladies will see that in a search criteria, they may be able to explain very well.  The main concern is that boys who may truly desire bisexual experiences to be included in a D/s or M/s relationship could run into probelms by denying that they have this desire in order to get involved with a Lady who does not enjoy or allow any m/m play. 
It is so much easier to be honest.  If you are straight but willing to be with a man for your Domina's amusement, say so in your profile text, or say so in introduction or conversation.  If you are not, same thing.  Just say so.  If you are bi and have bi needs, just say so!  By the same token, many of these boys will write to anyone with a vagina (just like you are saying, nick!)  and just try to claim that they are exactly what the Lady is seeking. 
Guess what!  We will figure it out.  And it usually doesn't take that long!  And then everyone feels like they have wasted time.  None can or should try to be what they are not.  It is just a set up for failure.
So why play the game?
According to the book of nick, I guess it is because that is the only way they can possibly get any attention. 


And it's also due to the fact that most women have unrealistic expectations. Many women expect a man to be what 99 percent of men are not. Most men dont have unrealistic expectations, that's why you don't get women making up huge whoppers to get in our pants. And thats why you see the same women on here for months or years and these same women get offers everyday and wonder why they still have no one.

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/13/2006 2:56:20 PM   
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that's why you don't get women making up huge whoppers to get in our pants...



Women don't make up huge whoppers to get in men's pants becauze they don't have to.  If all a woman wants is a quick fuck, she can get it simply by saying she's willing.  She'll have more men offering to do her than she could possibly take in a year.

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/14/2006 4:26:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

Practically in sites such as this and any personals site, women have it all. No matter if she's a Domme or sub. They get everything they want and this is what causes males to lie their asses off to get female attention. It takes a lot for a male to get a woman interested while it takes little to nothing from a woman to get a male interested. She just has to be simply a woman and she is in luck. I dont think there would be a need for these types of lies if men got treated equally the same. Who do you blame?

Of course, it's OUR fault that men lie and create two profiles.  What's next in the blame game?


My other post was not directed at you as I said, but I have to say that it is partly women's fault because of women's expectations in here. It takes a very large amount of women with picky expectations for males to act this way in the first place.  Most males dont fit the criteria to what most women want in here, thats the thing. Women expect too much. Many women expect the impossible. There is no Brad Pitt or Fabio in here. And dont expect every male to surrender his whole precious life to you just because you own a pussy.

I personally have rather realistic expectations and don't stand for this "the whole world sucks because I can't get my way" attitude.  If you don't know us, don't go flinging stones at us individually.    You're once again hijacking someone else's topic, so please.....take this nonsense elsewhere.

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/14/2006 4:28:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: naughtynick

Men get ignored by most women in here. Why do you expect men to be truthful and be polite to you? Ignoring someone is not being respectful and polite, so why expect men to be respectful and polite and honest when all women in here just ignore men anyway? No matter how a man approaches it, a man can be polite all he wants and he still gets ignored. How about the women in here make fake profiles being a man and see how it goes?

So far, I see no reason for women to do anything other than ignore you.  You're hateful, generalizing and rude, and we've not even scraped the surface OR involved your attractiveness on the outside or your self-proclaimed submission.  Those are all qualities that very few of us admire.

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/14/2006 7:42:19 AM   
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I only have one profile & it says "bisexual". Actually, I don't know if I'm bisexual or not, & I don't care. I never pick up guys, I never feel attracted to men outside of a D/s situation. I will submit to men & put bisexual in my profile to show I am a "full-service slave". There is no conspiracy
I wanted to acknowledge that this kind of bi most of us would probably be fine living with, since everyone is only noticing the bad child in the room...   M

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/15/2006 7:55:13 PM   
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While i haven't created a second profile...i'm bi-curious...recently i changed my profile to state i'm bisexual, when in reality i'm not...though i do explain a bit in my profile ((or journal entry, i forget which)...

Making the two profiles makes quite a bit of sense for females, since i doubt most males search the bisexual female profiles too closely, because it seems about 90% of those profiles seek same sex partners first and foremost.

My two cents.

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/17/2006 4:25:51 AM   
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i loved this post .. its broguth out many diffrent points and comments ...... and some great rants and raves too... maybe the subs weather male or female should be foecd to try bi ?????? then again may be not??????   kinda like asking how may licks too the center of the Tootise pPop

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/17/2006 6:56:59 AM   
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While the obvious reason may be underhanded, I think another possibility exists.
The matter about sexuality may be gray rather than black or white for some people.

For instance, one may be bisexual but fall closer to the het end of the Kinsey scale (an idea proposed by sex researcher Kinsey which suggests there is a continuum between complete heterosexuality at one end and complete homosexuality at the other end). So one may be open to bisexual experiences but can live without them.

Another way the matter can be gray is if one is heterosexual with respect to intimacy and conventional sex, but is bisexual with respect to submission outside of intimacy and sex.

Neither of these persons can convey this information within the fixed choices in the orientation category. These persons may not want to be excluded from searches or cursory glances that are based on the orientation response.

It may be relevant to consider why people prefer heterosexual partners only. I imagine reasons include commonality, concerns about play outside a relationship, concerns about safe sex, more. I can imagine someone who is bisexual and can allow their partner to be free of these concerns. Such a person may want to avoid the search filter to see if the bisexuality or being open to bisexuality is truly a dealbreaker.

If a person does have two profiles for this reason, I think it would be best for that person to clarify this reason in the profile text to ease any concerns about deception.

Cheers,

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/17/2006 11:07:50 AM   
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While the obvious reason may be underhanded, I think another possibility exists.
The matter about sexuality may be gray rather than black or white for some people.

For instance, one may be bisexual but fall closer to the het end of the Kinsey scale (an idea proposed by sex researcher Kinsey which suggests there is a continuum between complete heterosexuality at one end and complete homosexuality at the other end). So one may be open to bisexual experiences but can live without them.

Another way the matter can be gray is if one is heterosexual with respect to intimacy and conventional sex, but is bisexual with respect to submission outside of intimacy and sex.

Neither of these persons can convey this information within the fixed choices in the orientation category. These persons may not want to be excluded from searches or cursory glances that are based on the orientation response.

It may be relevant to consider why people prefer heterosexual partners only. I imagine reasons include commonality, concerns about play outside a relationship, concerns about safe sex, more. I can imagine someone who is bisexual and can allow their partner to be free of these concerns. Such a person may want to avoid the search filter to see if the bisexuality or being open to bisexuality is truly a dealbreaker.

If a person does have two profiles for this reason, I think it would be best for that person to clarify this reason in the profile text to ease any concerns about deception.

Cheers,

Sea


All of this makes a great deal of sense.  I can see where a person's situation would fall outside the fixed choices for orientation that are offered on the site and how they not want to be excluded from searches. 
 
I think the key is what you mentioned about a person clarifying in the profile text his reason for having two profiles to ease any concerns about deception.  In the profiles I have come across, the individuals did not do this and it did make Me wonder if they were being deceptive.
 
In the most recent case, the individual replied under his bisexual profile.  We corresponded by e-mail several times and even talked on the phone, and he made no mention of also having a straight profile.  I only became aware of it when he wrote to Me under the straight profile.  I must admit I was rather taken aback.  If I were considering pursuing a relationship with him, I would ask about this directly, but I have decided not to for an entirely unrelated reason.
 
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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/18/2006 3:05:17 AM   
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greetings to all
 
i have many submissive write me and state they are looking for a domme who all of the thing strict etc, then when i read their profile they have bisexual on it. they do not place this in their letter ever. i found this to be dishonest i do not want a bi male for a slave i do not want to punish them, ( and they want this ) by making them suck on some other male.
they also ask if i have another slave so they think i will make them suck on this male.
 
i do find this dishonest if they want someone who is willing to let them be who they are then say it i am bisexual and dlooking for a domme who is like minded.
 
not writing without telling what they truly are i have nothing agiast bysexual people it is only if they do not mention what they want
 
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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/18/2006 12:45:41 PM   
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greetings to all
 
i have many submissive write me and state they are looking for a domme who all of the thing strict etc, then when i read their profile they have bisexual on it. they do not place this in their letter ever. i found this to be dishonest i do not want a bi male for a slave i do not want to punish them, ( and they want this ) by making them suck on some other male.
they also ask if i have another slave so they think i will make them suck on this male.
 
i do find this dishonest if they want someone who is willing to let them be who they are then say it i am bisexual and dlooking for a domme who is like minded.
 
not writing without telling what they truly are i have nothing agiast bysexual people it is only if they do not mention what they want
 
with respect to all mons


What?  Sometimes, you just have to put in a LITTLE work. 

I mean, really. 

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/18/2006 5:00:28 PM   
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greetings to all
 
i have many submissive write me and state they are looking for a domme who all of the thing strict etc, then when i read their profile they have bisexual on it. they do not place this in their letter ever. i found this to be dishonest i do not want a bi male for a slave i do not want to punish them, ( and they want this ) by making them suck on some other male.
they also ask if i have another slave so they think i will make them suck on this male.
 
i do find this dishonest if they want someone who is willing to let them be who they are then say it i am bisexual and dlooking for a domme who is like minded.
 
not writing without telling what they truly are i have nothing agiast bysexual people it is only if they do not mention what they want
 
with respect to all mons


Unless they are saying that bisexual activity is mandatory for a satisfactory experience, I don't see anything that is dishonest about that situation.  They express in their profile what they hope to find, but they aren't expecting you to be anything other than what you are - as I understand what you have written.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

To the larger issue, I can imagine several reasons why someone would have two profiles, one straight and one bi.  Some are nefarious, others not.  Inherently, I don't think that it is any more dishonest than having two profiles, one sub and one Dom.  It all depends on their reasons for doing it.

Edit:  Oh, and send some of those subs who want to be told to suck another man my way.  Cause that is just a total blast!

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/18/2006 5:05:41 PM   
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I suppose some people are bi, but largely prefer one or the other. So if a bi guy prefers women, it's easier just to check the "straight" profile than weed through all the other ones in his secondary? *shrug*

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/18/2006 8:30:52 PM   
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I wouldn't want to be around women if I hated them. I just ask for fairness.


I see nick is back, whining once again about "fairness."  One of these days, maybe he'll grow up and realize that there is no such thing as fairness.  I don't plan to hold my breath waiting.

Life is inherently unfair.  You can do one of two things about it.  You can whine about it, like a small child or a Democrat, or you can learn to live with it and make the most of it.

It's funny how those who do the whining about unfairness always concentrate on the ways life is unfair to their detriment but never consider the ways it's unfair in their favor.  Like having good health and all the benefits of living in a wealthy and relatively free society.

To all citizens of North America and Western Europe (and a couple of other places) who constantly bitch about how unfair life has treated them, consider this.  You're better off than 80% of the population of this planet.

Yeah, so women can get it anytime they want.  Guess what.  This is true for the female of every other species of animal alive.  And men, like every other male animal has to play the game and attract the female if he ever wants to get any.  I wonder if there's a woman on earth who finds a man who whines about how much better women have it attractive.  Maybe a few who prefer little boys to men.


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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/18/2006 9:28:52 PM   
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Life is inherently unfair.  You can do one of two things about it.  You can whine about it, like a small child or a Democrat, or you can learn to live with it and make the most of it.



Sounds like a whine about Democrats somewhere in there too. 

Funny.  

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/20/2006 7:43:15 AM   
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I personally have no issue with a bi slave but do have issue with the duel profiles. As to me it smakes of either self confusion or just plain lies. As to the comments I have read about manhating...lol. My slave is niether brad pit or a movie star type of any sort. But a sweet respectful eager to learn slave. I do not consider myself a manhater at all I love men. But I also know what I want and will not play games with anyone. If I know someone is not a proper match I say so from that moment to same time on both sides. If that man is to insacure in his own self to to except that it is not my issue but his.

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RE: Male Subs with Both a "Straight" and a &q... - 9/20/2006 8:42:23 AM   
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I wonder what is the motivation for doing this?


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