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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/16/2006 1:34:55 PM

Mavis

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Nasty.. i can appreciate the debate here, as far as words, use of words, and alla that goes.. but i have one point..

When You refer to the FemDomes here as a single unit.. it detracts from Your argument. if subs were to lump all Doms together and call them a cadre.. or all Masters.. all Goreans.. You would be one of the first to step in and point out that error.

The Dominant ladies here are as vastly different from each other as.. You, Knight of Mysts, CrappyDom, LordnMaster.. Even when all 4 would take the same stance on a topic The 4 of You would never be referred to as a single unit with a co-ordinated objective.

i know my input here is limited as this IS the Masters forum, but i so enjoy reading it because of the varied perspectives, and if it grows to Camp 1 vs Camps 2, 3 and 4, it'll loose the effect of adding to the bredth of discussion.

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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/16/2006 1:38:53 PM

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If she doesn't like it when YOU use the words "slut" or "whore," make HER use them.

She's not going to break. But it might send her right into subspace.

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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/16/2006 2:15:49 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mavis

Nasty.. i can appreciate the debate here, as far as words, use of words, and alla that goes.. but i have one point..

When You refer to the FemDomes here as a single unit.. it detracts from Your argument. if subs were to lump all Doms together and call them a cadre.. or all Masters.. all Goreans.. You would be one of the first to step in and point out that error.

The Dominant ladies here are as vastly different from each other as.. You, Knight of Mysts, CrappyDom, LordnMaster.. Even when all 4 would take the same stance on a topic The 4 of You would never be referred to as a single unit with a co-ordinated objective.

i know my input here is limited as this IS the Masters forum, but i so enjoy reading it because of the varied perspectives, and if it grows to Camp 1 vs Camps 2, 3 and 4, it'll loose the effect of adding to the bredth of discussion.

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My apology for any inferrence to all the great twu femdoms out there, twu subs too. Regarding "sluts"... a "slut" who's acting like a twu slut shouldn't mind being called a "slut" unless they have communicated an accepted limit with their Dom/me.

The whole communication process is really not that difficult, and it is generally accepted that agreed limits are respected. In many cases the agreed limits are eventually pushed in the "growth" process. Let's not forget such bdsm activities typically are not being done in vanilla society presence, in the public... it's more akin to our freedom from that type of daily nilla' oppression.

Of course, as with everyone else engaging in bdsm lifestyles, what works for the participants is their gravy.  Other's opinions are in fact just that... opinions to assist in making their own particular gravy which the participants do enjoy... and can stomach.

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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/16/2006 4:17:27 PM

Mavis

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Nasty, lol. i wanted to be lumped in with the twu slaves dammit.

Anyway, i understand and agree the use of a single word might be a negotiable that should be addressed under "limits".. but for some people, the fact that she's unwilling to explore His choice of the word indicates some resistance that isn't acceptable. i kind of had that issue with the use of the word "Crave".. momma always taught me it was a selfish word, and my heart grated whenever i heard it used even in a BDSM context.

i finally had to conceed that momma was my trainer when i was a kid, but i had willingly subjected myself to anothers training and would be held to the standard that commitment implied. Even if it was to learn to hear and use words that didn't sit well with me. or i could vote with my feet. i also agree with the point, "words Do have meaning and power." They can hurt or heal.. they can indicate rebellion or obedience, resistance or compliance, flexibility or stubbornness. Giving a dom or Master power over language might be a first step to a twu power exchange.

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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/27/2006 4:57:42 PM

patina

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This is exactly what should have been said from the beginning.

Why do you call her whore, slut, cunt, to begin with? Do you feel the need to humiliate her? You may not think that those words mean bad things, of course, but she does.

If you say, well, I did it in past D/s relationships... All relationships are different.
What makes something appropriate is not who says it, but the context and environment in which it is said. In his case, the environment and context are perfect, **Except** his sub doesn't take comfort in those words. Is that her failing? her being a bad sub? I don't think it is.

All I am trying to say in this is-- If she doesnt like being demeaned, don't demean her. It isnt her trying to take control, it isnt her topping from the bottom, its like her saying, Don't cut me, dont beat me, dont break my hard limit, whatever it may be. if she cant take being called whore/slut/cunt and you cant deal with calling her something that is easily viewed as positive, as the list was mentioned by LA above, then I suggest you let your precious gem go, before you seriously damage her, and then, she wont be so precious anymore, but broken, battered, and torn between her love for you, and her absolute hatred for D/s and even possibly you.

JMHO....

Finally a True Dom and MAN in one body speaks. I too do not like being called certain words but others do not bother me at all. I hope that a real man and Master will have the decency to understand that by abusing his control, power, and his charisma he will only drive his sub/slave away not closer. She/he eventually breaks and runs or just breaks and becomes a shell.

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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/27/2006 9:12:52 PM

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I know that under normal circumstances a woman like that would be something I wouldn't want to touch but I also know that living near LA that there are a lot of men out their that would love the opportunity as more of a rape than anything else.

Aside from the name issue that everyone has been focussing on and have covered pretty well, the above paragraph rang my alarmbells... I could be totally wrong, but if you are with her mainly to protect her because you fear others will take advantage of her, then perhaps you do need to re-evaluate your relationship. Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons, does not make it right. And can be destructive to everyone concerned.
Perhaps a role as a 'guide' would be more beneficial to both?! Perhaps show her resources like this site, where she can take in other thoughts and opinions. As it was pointed out, it's hard to discuss limits, when new and unaware of the myriad of options and ways that is BDSM...

But above all and foremost, if she is new to it and you care for her wellbeing, then she should be taught that there are predators in BDSM that will simply want to use and abuse her, and how to recognise these shits, how to ensure her own safety while weeding them out... This is a long term solution that will help her in future, and maybe even help you both grow together if that is whats really desired.

All the best to you both..

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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/28/2006 6:10:17 AM

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Master calls me 'tiny tart' 'micro-squick' ('cause I squick easy) and his 'pretty lil pony' ...he uses other words not properly mentioned in public.
Doesn't bother me.
I know he loves and respects me.

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RE: What other words do you use for..... - 9/28/2006 6:16:33 AM

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has she ever been sexually assaulted? because that may be the true issue here.

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