Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Controlled demolition


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Controlled demolition Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/15/2006 2:45:43 PM   
sissifytoserve


Posts: 1016
Joined: 8/30/2006
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

Sissy..I do enjoy your posts :)

After reading this thread.. it occurred to me.. as long as GWB and Friends has us arguing among ourselves.. he have no time to to watch him.



Thanks.


I agree. Politicians create polarities in order to keep people at each others throats. Meanwhile....the real evil continues.

Some of the government huggers here don't belive that.

I guess they still have faith in this 100% flawed system.



(in reply to LotusSong)
Profile   Post #: 101
RE: Controlled demolition, not a comforting lie - 9/15/2006 3:19:19 PM   
NorthernSwitch11


Posts: 19
Joined: 6/18/2006
From: Newcastle, UK
Status: offline
The fact so many threads like this are going on not just on this site but many others has to mean something.  Its not proof of anything except that there are a hell of a lot of people who think something was just not right with the whole situation.  You can call someone who buys the theory a conpiracy nut and someone who doesnt an ostrich for dismissing everything, who is right..who knows. 

There is only one FACT here and that is no'body can prove whether it was a demolision or due to the planes unless you had a load of scientific equipment in that building recording at the time they hit and the collapse.  You would need visual and instruments to measure building stress and a load of other things.  Even the most expert people in their field can only speculate on the reason they collapsed the same as they who believe they were blown up.  Its pointless for me to try and convince someone that it was a demolision the same as its pointless for them to try and pursuade me it was not. Ive read, listened, theorised and tried to take in all info, and my opinion although not based on fact but speculation has been derived the same way as everyone elses here unless you claim to be the man flying the plane or the man with the red button (if thats you stand up and this whole debates over) but i doubt thats gonna happen. 

Im not dismissing one persons theory about windows exploding proving it was the planes, as yes an increase in pressure would result in windows blowing out but that can prove both theories and is most certainly not conclusive proof of one and not the other. 

All we have all said is our opinions and why we have come to them whether you be the so called nut or the so called ostrich.  Speak your mind and explain why you have come to the conclusions you have but resist the temptation to go into the whole cia, nsa thing and most of all avoid using the word conspiratist as just because your opinion happens to agree with the goverment and others does not give you the right to dismiss people as nuts---where is your conclusive proof appart from a few scientists and cardboard models of skyscrapers because after all you have the same evidence to work with as them just you come to a different conclususion but still based on speculation.

Forget all the rest and dwell on this one thing, would a plane bring a building that size made out of steel and concrete down to the ground like that despite hitting the upper fifth of it, and then ask again if it happened again which it did would the exact same thing happen, both fall in perfect vertical freefall with no inclination to any direction whatsover despite being hit and weakened in one area.  As you may guess i dont buy the whole fuel melting steel theory and i cant offer any conclusive proof to support it, my whole opinion rests on the old saying lightening never strikes twice and if it does it certainly doesn't strike in exactly the same manner because thats just too far fetched.  Anyone fancy telling me im a nut be sure to include your conclusive proof or face facts all you can say is your opinion and thats it.  let those who believe make their case without being branded tin foil heads and those that dont believe to speak their mind. 

Of course if you spout some so called fact which is of a load of twoddle your open season in my book a warning to those who think they know so much they should join the cia.


(in reply to Chaingang)
Profile   Post #: 102
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/15/2006 6:50:43 PM   
Reflectivesoul


Posts: 1777
Joined: 4/25/2006
Status: offline
I havent read all of this but here http://www.loosechange911.com try that one... if it hasnt been posted yet... and http://www.st911.org those are pretty decent sites


_____________________________

ooooo..I bet THATS gonna leave a mark!!!!

Equal opportunity pisser on-er ... heh..

Gimme some crayons, I want color and I want it now DAMNIT!


(in reply to sissifytoserve)
Profile   Post #: 103
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/15/2006 6:54:30 PM   
Reflectivesoul


Posts: 1777
Joined: 4/25/2006
Status: offline
This is a direct copy of MY personal blog.... I didnt realize y'all had a topic goin on over here or I'da shared it sooner... for those of you that know me and are wondering where my pic and stuff went, I blanked out my profile earlier so its pretty much gone... ( dont ask here please... ) Anyhow here's the blog..

Eve of the 9-11 Attacks Anniversary

[/link] [link=http://blog.360.yahoo.com/blog/slideshow.html?p=97&id=zWjXUYkhaaO41Ft8bjk0seSiQHhxYP72xg0HKc7_kT9F7g--]
Where to start? I know many of you have seen my status messages of late that have different links to reports about 9-11. I'll insert a link here for those of you that havent. Loose Change  Scholars for Truth Take your time and actually look at the videos on both sites, read the reports and see how you feelw hen you're finished. I for one am more pissed off and just disgusted than I have been in a long time. 2,800 Americans lost their lives on 9-11-2001, an amount thats higher than one I ever imagined I would ever see on my home soil.
I was not there in New York as the WTC Towers were destroyed but I have done a lot of my own research and my own looking into the things that happened that day. Like most americans I believed what was said for a long time about what the gov said happened.... I'm not so sure I feel that way anymore. As a matter of fact I know I'm not apt to believing it. The sad truth is though that no matter how hard we look for the truth they will never give us a viable explination, and all of the rubble that should have been contained and safe guarded was hauled away and melted down, FEMA wasnt even allowed into Ground Zero. You'd thionk that a phenomenon such as 3 Steel constructed buildings all failing on the same day and the only 3 in history to have ever failed would have been protected not scrubbed clean, what did they have to hide?
The Empire State Building ( Steel constructed) was hit by a plane and still stands to this day, it did NOT fail. But I'm supposed to believe that jet fuel that burns at 1,800 degrees melted steel and weakened steel that has a melting temp of 3,000 degrees? I dont think so. I'm supposed to believe that the heat and intensity of the fires melted the supports, but when watching the videos there were people inside of the holes looking out, and weren't vaporized ( as one would assume would happen at those "high" temps) I dont think so... I'm supposed to believe that the Towers were a raging inferno, even when the firemans radio contact said they found small pockets of flames that they were going to put out.... but it was so hot that they melted the supports? I dont think so....
I'm supposed to believe that a 100 ft wide by 47ft tall airplane disinegrated upon impact with the pentagon, leaving only two 16.5ft holes? I dont think so... I'm also supposed to believe that it ripped out 5 ( yes 5 ) light poles, bounced off the lawn, then still had enough speed and correct alignment to hit the ground floor of the pentagon? I dont think so.... There isnt a scratch on the lawn and another plane that hit 1 ( yes thats 4 less than the other plane) light pole and it completely tore off the wing of the plane and it crashed..... hmmm seem a little fishy?
Flight 93, that aircraft is still listed as operational... how is that possible seeing that it was supposed to have crashed in a field? Oh but there were no bodies and no identifiable pieces to say that it was flight 93 that crashed... and there are records at Cleveland Hopkins Airport that flight 93 ( and yes that was identified by the airline) that flight 93 landed safe and sound, and evacuated 200 passengers. Where did the people go? If I'm supposed to believe that Flight 93 crashed in PA, show me some kind of physical evidence and DNA records matching one of the victims to that crash site, otherwise for godsakes tell us where those people are, or if they were real people at all.
A gov thats willing to even concieve of something like this, and I'm supposed to believe they wouldnt do something with the passengers of that flight? hmmm I dont think so... where are they? If in fact flight 93 did land at Hopkins what did they do with the people that they took to the NASA Glen Research Center? Why were they sent there and not with the other evacuated people in the FAA Headquarters?
And why is it that the total number of passengers that died in all the crashes is around the same number of people that were taken off of just one plane? 200... hmmm sound fishy yet? And why hasnt the FBI looked into finding out who really is responsible for this? Why has the gov only spent 600,000 dollars to investigate this when they forked out numerous times that amount to investigate Bill Clinton? Where are the trillions of dollars that went "missing" from the pentagon? Hello if 5 dollars of mine goes missing I'm back tracking and double checking my checkbooks, dont you? What happened to the millions of dollars in gold under the World trade Center buildings go? I have a pretty good idea, "War on Terror". How else could a country afford to go alone into war... without the UN, no other initial support. What about the hundreds of thousands of dollars that were illegally traded on 9-11? What about the owners of the put options placed on the airlines? Why havent they been identified? Computers are marvelous things, the gov can track everyones activities back to their origins, but they dont know who put out all those put options? I dont think so.
On a more personal note, why is it that a hero of 9-11 that kept going back into the buildings to save lives left homeless and sleeping under a bridge? A man that went back down to save a handicapped man because the police said he wasnt allowed to go any further up. He was left homeless and penniless.... why? He carries in his pocket the master key for the WTC, " The key of hope", I wish for just one minute I could tell him how brave and what a wonderful person he is, for what he did that day, and all he tried to do. My heart bleeds for this man who tried to save a woman by helping her out of the buildings, to only find that once he was coming out she had been severed in half by falling debris... the defeat he must have felt at that instant....
The tragedy I see in this is not what the gov wants me to believe it is, the tragedy I see is for all of the families and for all of the americans that are alolowing all of this to be swept under a rug, and that are turning a blind eye to everything that happened that day. America promised on 9-11 that we will never forget... I know where I was on 9-11, do you remember where you were, do you remember our promise to the victims and their families? I do.... and I will never forget what happened... and I'll never stop searching for the truth.. my only regret is I probably wont live long enough to see the people behind this brought to justice for what they did to our country. For that matter the people behind this probably wont live long enough to ever be brought to justice either, unless America stands up and becomes the patriots that we so ardently portrayed ourselves to be in the days/weeks/months following the attacks on our home soil. There will never be a justice for the families, even if in the end we point a finger and get a ruling against every person involved in this, those families, wives, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers..... they will never again see the people they loved, but the people that died were real, and they shouldnt die in vain. The families should have the right to know who did this, someone to blame for what happened. Because I agree with the top 10 reasons why the hijackers weret real.. knowing myself and many fellow Americans, you can NOT tell me that a few men with box cutters did this... as it was stated " Americans would have beat them to death with their luggage".
This country was built on men fighting for their right to live and their right to be free, do you mean to tell me now that 19 men with box cutters destroyed all Americans will to fight? I'll tell you thats bullshit. Just as there is a man that went back in to the Towers to try to help his friends, he is a proud amserican who fought for not only his right to live, but for his friends and people he didnt even know.... there would have been Americans in those planes that would have given their lives in hopes of saving their own and others.... So please if someone is going to tell me that these 19 men brought down what my country was built on, feed it to someone else because I'm no longer buying it. And Please if you are going to try and tell me something, tell me something real, tell me what you did to my fellow countrymen that died on 9-11.  Tell me that the money you got off of this is more valuable than the thousands of American lives and Foreign lives that have been taken on and since 9-11 in this so called "Terrorist Attack, and War on Terror", then I want you to tell me that an American life is worth more than a foreign life, after you took 2,800 of our own in one single day.

_____________________________

ooooo..I bet THATS gonna leave a mark!!!!

Equal opportunity pisser on-er ... heh..

Gimme some crayons, I want color and I want it now DAMNIT!


(in reply to Reflectivesoul)
Profile   Post #: 104
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/15/2006 7:40:46 PM   
sissifytoserve


Posts: 1016
Joined: 8/30/2006
Status: offline
9/11 Truth: Pakistan, Operation Northwoods & American Empire


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI3yejPjiq8

(in reply to sissifytoserve)
Profile   Post #: 105
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/15/2006 8:17:10 PM   
WyrdRich


Posts: 1733
Joined: 1/3/2005
Status: offline
  Since we are throwing around conspiracy theories, let me offer one.  It's a giant scam, concieved by, oh let's say, the Russian Mafia to steal the identity of anyone gullible enough to link to the video.

   As further evidence, Sissify's avatar looks some body trying to control you with "psychic" powers.

(in reply to sissifytoserve)
Profile   Post #: 106
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/15/2006 9:42:45 PM   
CrappyDom


Posts: 1883
Joined: 4/11/2006
From: Sacramento
Status: offline
Jesus christ there are some really stupid fucking people in this world.

Try googling the size of the B25 that hit the Empire state building and remember it had no bombload and didn't have weapons so was thousands and thousands of pounds lighter than the combat load of about 30,000 pounds and going less than half as fast as the 767 which weighs and entire magnitude greater and was going twice as fast.

Again, nobody has answered why they needed such an overly complicated plot and why with hundreds of people not one has come forward.  This is like the idiots who can't imagine how someone would build a pyramid and so decide aliens must have done it.

Utterly pathetic.

If  you are going to focus on something why not focus on the daily lies that are easy to prove and get this moron impeached before he destroys America.

(in reply to WyrdRich)
Profile   Post #: 107
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/15/2006 11:28:48 PM   
Rule


Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
Try googling the size of the B25 that hit the Empire state building and remember it had no bombload and didn't have weapons so was thousands and thousands of pounds lighter than the combat load of about 30,000 pounds and going less than half as fast as the 767 which weighs and entire magnitude greater and was going twice as fast.

Those who know about such things have said that compared to the enormous inertial mass of a tower the impact of such a plane is utterly negigible. Also according to testimonies one of the planes may have been a very small plane or a missile and about the larger plane it was said that it was not as large as the type it was purported to be.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
Again, nobody has answered why they needed such an overly complicated plot and why with hundreds of people not one has come forward.


I answered, but you decided to rather not believe someone you had some respect for. So your complaint is baseless and is not our problem but yours only.

(in reply to CrappyDom)
Profile   Post #: 108
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 2:56:54 AM   
Chaingang


Posts: 1727
Joined: 10/24/2005
Status: offline
If "Loose Change" has reared it's ugly little head again I just want to say that I do not agree with many of the issues in that film. That said, I think it's pointed in the right direction. I also think some its segments are so overreaching so as to intentionally bury the 911 truth movement. I think it's possible it is the work of counter-intelligence.

But I still do not buy the official story. There is indeed a middle ground that is more coherent.

Right now is a time for questions. As information becomes available it may become a time for resolve.

_____________________________

"Everything flows, nothing stands still." (Πάντα ῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει) - Heraclitus

(in reply to Rule)
Profile   Post #: 109
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 6:09:36 AM   
CrappyDom


Posts: 1883
Joined: 4/11/2006
From: Sacramento
Status: offline
Rule,

Two things, the mass and velocity of the plane are critical to the weakening of one single floor, which is all it took.  As for the fire, don't forget, primitive Europeans melted steel with wood.

Glass, which melts at 1,600 deg. often melts during your average house fire.    Again, look at the pictures, the place turned into a blast furnace and all it had to do was soften the already weakended structure on ONE floor with the weight of the 10 or so stories above and boom, the top collapses at that point and then pancakes the whole building.

This isn't rocket science although some here certainly make it out to be.

(in reply to Chaingang)
Profile   Post #: 110
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 6:56:30 AM   
Rule


Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
Two things, the mass and velocity of the plane are critical to the weakening of one single floor, which is all it took.

How many floors did the planes hit, though? It has been months since I looked at the images, but I seem to recall holes of three to five floors. The kinetic energy of the planes therefore was distributed across several floors and affected only relatively small parts of those floors. The larger part of those floors must be assumed to have been designed and made to compensate for any hypothetical weakening - and they did. Some of that kinetic energy was also expended on debris that shot out the other side of the buildings. All the fuel on board also must have been distributed across several floors, dripping down through the holes, and it is credibly argued that most of it incinerated within moments after the impact. The fires that were present were burning office material and the building was designed to withstand that.
 
Ever watch a magic show? This was a magic show.
 

< Message edited by Rule -- 9/16/2006 6:58:27 AM >

(in reply to CrappyDom)
Profile   Post #: 111
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 7:31:37 AM   
CrappyDom


Posts: 1883
Joined: 4/11/2006
From: Sacramento
Status: offline
Ever try and crush an egg?  Same thing, its very strong until it isn't.

As for magic, magicians do it by misdirecting the eye of the audience away from what they don't want you to see.

So Bush is busy committing treason right in front of our eyes and we are arguing over a supposed plot involving a cast of well over 500 people, none of which have spoken out.  Flawless magic all right.

Considering that these idiots have been unable to do anything else even passably well, havent managed to keep much secret, and yet could keep the most massive and complicated plot secret boggles the mind.

(in reply to Rule)
Profile   Post #: 112
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 7:42:35 AM   
WyrdRich


Posts: 1733
Joined: 1/3/2005
Status: offline
     Further evidence of something fishy here.  I recieved a link to the latest "loose change" edit from my Brother, who is not a tin foil hat type.  He denies having sent the link.  A review of the e-mail showed it went to his entire address book.

     It's interesting how someone who seems very intelligent and rational can say something so outrageously ignorant as to make you question everything they have ever said.

(in reply to Rule)
Profile   Post #: 113
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 8:56:34 AM   
MrrPete


Posts: 614
Joined: 11/7/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Rule,

Two things, the mass and velocity of the plane are critical to the weakening of one single floor, which is all it took.  As for the fire, don't forget, primitive Europeans melted steel with wood.

Glass, which melts at 1,600 deg. often melts during your average house fire.    Again, look at the pictures, the place turned into a blast furnace and all it had to do was soften the already weakended structure on ONE floor with the weight of the 10 or so stories above and boom, the top collapses at that point and then pancakes the whole building.

This isn't rocket science although some here certainly make it out to be.


Check the video the planes that hit the trade center took out more than one floor as they entered at about 25-30 degree
angle.

I suppose a straw can't be embeded in a telephone pole either.

(in reply to CrappyDom)
Profile   Post #: 114
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 8:59:26 AM   
Rule


Posts: 10479
Joined: 12/5/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
Ever try and crush an egg?  Same thing, its very strong until it isn't.

Those buildings were nothing like eggs. They were interconnected steel frames. Demolish a few supports and the rest remains standing, because it is 'holding together'.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
As for magic, magicians do it by misdirecting the eye of the audience away from what they don't want you to see.

They must be very good at it, for they have you fooled completely.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
So Bush is busy committing treason right in front of our eyes and we are arguing over a supposed plot involving a cast of well over 500 people, none of which have spoken out.  Flawless magic all right.

Let us speculate that those 200 airplane occupants on average have ten adult family members each. Then the number of people involved comes to 2200. Let us double that number to include people in the know in the FBI and military and CIA and such: 4400. Then there are the demolition experts - say twenty - who rigged all three buildings: 4420. And finally let us add in say eighty financiers: 4500. This is a low estimate. These are people who knew beforehand. Next we have in the USA alone say another one hundred thousand persons who realized the true cause of what happened after it had happened, because they rub elbows with those 4500.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
, none of which have spoken out.  Flawless magic all right.

They must appreciate your approval. Thing is about secret conspiracies: they are secret. Mum is the word.

quote:

ORIGINAL: CrappyDom
Considering that these idiots have been unable to do anything else even passably well, havent managed to keep much secret, and yet could keep the most massive and complicated plot secret boggles the mind.

Smart con men always portray themselves as stupid fools. What they sell is the illusion that the suckers are more smart than them. It gives the suckers a good feeling. Seems like you bought it.
 

(in reply to CrappyDom)
Profile   Post #: 115
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 9:09:58 AM   
sissifytoserve


Posts: 1016
Joined: 8/30/2006
Status: offline
Once agin...there was no "inferno".


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_fire.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc_fire.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc1_woman.html



And its not a "theory" and the CONSPIRACY is against YOU.


(in reply to sissifytoserve)
Profile   Post #: 116
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 1:07:16 PM   
Arpig


Posts: 9930
Joined: 1/3/2006
From: Increasingly further from reality
Status: offline
What a load of crap!!

Give it a rest folks, it happened the way we saw it happen....

_____________________________

Big man! Pig Man!
Ha Ha...Charade you are!


Why do they leave out the letter b on "Garage Sale" signs?

CM's #1 All-Time Also-Ran


(in reply to sissifytoserve)
Profile   Post #: 117
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/16/2006 1:15:21 PM   
sissifytoserve


Posts: 1016
Joined: 8/30/2006
Status: offline
Ther official government story is the bunch of crap....actually.

Dig deeper.

(in reply to Arpig)
Profile   Post #: 118
RE: Controlled demolition - 9/18/2006 10:21:14 AM   
Chaingang


Posts: 1727
Joined: 10/24/2005
Status: offline
"NIST and the World Trade Center"
http://wtc.nist.gov/

"NIST's World Trade Center FAQ" - rebuttal by Jim Hoffman
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html

-----

"Sifting Through 'Loose Change'" - a point by point critique
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/wtc.html

A much better film is entitled "911 Guilt" but it is not available free online. There is however this bit:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5721945375919981724&q=jim+Hoffman&hl=en

_____________________________

"Everything flows, nothing stands still." (Πάντα ῥεῖ καὶ οὐδὲν μένει) - Heraclitus

(in reply to sissifytoserve)
Profile   Post #: 119
RE: Controlled demolition, not a comforting lie - 9/18/2006 4:51:27 PM   
UtopianRanger


Posts: 3251
Status: offline
quote:


The fact so many threads like this are going on not just on this site but many others has to mean something.  Its not proof of anything except that there are a hell of a lot of people who think something was just not right with the whole situation.  You can call someone who buys the theory a conpiracy nut and someone who doesnt an ostrich for dismissing everything, who is right..who knows. 


I'd would say you are correct. More folks are asking questions than ever before; 3 plus 2 no longer equals 6, and many are starting to take notice.

The one thing that I find rather peculiar.... is how upset and irritated many become when some don't believe the mandated truth brought forth by the 9-11 commission / Bush government. I've been here a year-and-half and there have been a few times it’s been as bad as the ''fat people'' threads; were folks seems to take the naysayers as a personal assault.

My personal message to anyone who doesn’t like/ believe-in or is easily upset by alternative theories /scenarios - Go read another thread or find something else to do ; because this subject will come up again and again.



 - R

< Message edited by UtopianRanger -- 9/18/2006 4:55:24 PM >


_____________________________

"If you are going to win any battle, you have to do one thing. You have to make the mind run the body. Never let the body tell the mind what to do... the body is never tired if the mind is not tired."

-General George S. Patton


(in reply to NorthernSwitch11)
Profile   Post #: 120
Page:   <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Controlled demolition Page: <<   < prev  3 4 5 [6] 7   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.109