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2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different lan... - 9/14/2006 4:11:05 PM   
Vendaval


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Greetings A/all,
 
I just received word from the apartment management that the 2 new
roommates arriving this weekend will be from 2 different countries,
namely Germany and Sweden.  I don't know yet how much English either

of them speaks, and do not myself speak either of theirs.  (My secondary
languages are Spanish, French and Italian.)  This may well prove to be a challenging year!
 
For those in the know, are there any long-standing cultural/political
rivalries between Sweden and Germany?  Do they have say, a

fierce competitiveness about such sports as socceer, skiing or snowboarding?
 
Thank you,
 

Vendaval

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/14/2006 4:52:05 PM   
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It has been my experience  (6 years in Germany) that their is fiecre competition when it comes to sports in Europe.  Doesn't make much difference what country.   Most of the competition is directed at cities where each city has it's "home town team"  This is as opposed to the US where people from all over the country support someone's team (Go Army Sink Navy)  lol   In Europe it is more regionalized.

As to common language, I am sure you will  work it out.  Most of Germany requires English be taken.   I think it is the same in Sweeden but am not sure  I didn't get to go there.  I suggest that you try to learn a few words and phrases.  I am sure they will be glad to teach you.    Besides it is always nice to know when you are being cussed out.   LOL

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/14/2006 5:05:47 PM   
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Now you do realize.. that being An American going to school in your own country... you will be expected to learn Both THEIR languages fluently.




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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/14/2006 7:53:10 PM   
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LOL Lotus

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/14/2006 8:19:58 PM   
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A German and a Swede? Man, they're going to be beating on each other smashing up the furniture!

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/14/2006 8:24:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vendaval
I just received word from the apartment management that the 2 new
roommates arriving this weekend will be from 2 different countries,
namely Germany and Sweden. 

Vendaval
Why didn't I think of that???
I don't know about rivalries, but wouldn't mind being stuck in a small space with two strappin' europeans.   M

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/14/2006 9:24:49 PM   
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They probably speak English very well. Sweden and Germany and England belong to the same Germanic languages cluster, so it is to be expected that both have chosen and have had about five or six years of education in the English language. The Swede may speak German as well and there is some chance that the German also speaks French.

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/14/2006 11:01:54 PM   
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Most educated Germans are pretty low key about nationalism because of their history and are probably far more liberal than most other Europeans for the same reason. Swedes aren't known for being animated either. Swedes are more likely to speak English than Germans but if you are talking about educated people, both probably speak a second language to a reasonable degree. It could be worse, it could be English and French or Dutch and German, the Dutch still remember their wartime occupation and the rivalry between the English and French is a good 700 years old. But contemporary Europe is pretty much at ease with itself, apart from Britain which seems to find itself constantly caught between Europe and the USA.

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 2:01:27 AM   
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Sounds like fun!

About the only wars I can think of between these two countries would be the period of the Vikings and the 30 years' war in the seventeenth century (basically protestants vs catholics) where Sweden was a major player, Germany was divided between the two camps and also provided much of the battleground. The Swedes may also have become involved in the disagreements between parts of and then the whole of Germany, and Denmark over the years too as Denmark and Sweden have been one kingdom at times over the centuries. In more recent conflicts, Sweden has been neutral, though it was a major player in the supply of war materials to Germany. Nowadays, both countries are members of the EU; Germany is a founder member and for a long time Sweden (along with UK, Ireland, Austria, Switzerland and its Scandinavian neighbours) were members of the rival trading block known as EFTA. EFTA has gradually broken up in more recent years, as its members have drifted into EU membership instead. Sweden joined the EU (I believe) in the mid to late 1990s, though the vote to do so was narrow. The Swedes' best friends are its neighbours, Norway, Denmark and Finland, along with Iceland (also Scandinavian in populace if not by geography), although even so there is fierce rivalry between them due to one or the other dominating the rest at some time in history. Finland was formerly colonised by Sweden and there is still a small number of Swedish speakers in Finland. Amongst its Scandinavian family, Sweden is probably the least liked by the others due to its former power in the region and also because its language though related to the rest (apart from Finnish), is sufficiently different for the others to say that the Swedes "talk funny". Germany meanwhile is best friends these days with its old enemy, France in political terms and these two countries have built a strong relationship despite past conflicts. I will assume you are familiar with more recent history, but Germany was founded as a single state only in 1918 after the first world war (until then Bavaria was still effectively independent). The move to a single state in the mid to late 19th century from a collection of smaller states, is the root of German nationalism and also provoked the arms race and international tensions that provided the fuel for the first world war. Germany is also friends with Switzerland (majority Germans speaking) and Austria (German speaking), although certainly the Austrians tend to dislike the Germans and see them as a domineering bigger brother. Whatever the political situation, the Germans as people do not like the French in particular, east Europeans in general and do tend to be assertive people, which comes across as arrogance to the rest of us in Europe. Meanwhile the rest of Europe still has mixed feelings at best about the Germans.

As many have said, I dont think you will have any problems with language; Swedes it seems must learn English from a very early age as they all seem to speak our language as well as us (only the Dutch outdo them!). Germans meanwhile also learn English from an early age, and though English as a second language is not as widespread in Germany as it is in Sweden, a student choosing to come to the US would suggest to me someone either competent in English already or someone wanting to learn.

Culturally, Germans and Swedes and much of the rest of Europe is a little mixed. There is still a lot of pride in older culture, but young people especially are "Americanised" through television and music, and also receive a lot of media from the UK which is closer in culture to the US than to Europe. Yes, they have MacVomit, yes they know what rap is, yes they wear jeans and T shirts and trainers, yes they have seen The Simpsons etc. I think you will find they are much like you, but with accents! Forget any touristic image you might have of timber frame houses and folk dances in traditional country dress. As for religion its also a mixed bag - assuming they are natives rather than immigrants (both countries have large immigrant populations), they will be broadly Christian. The Swede will be protestant most likely, and the German could be protestant or catholic. Church attendance in Europe is higher than in the UK but much lower than in the US, so you might find you have one or both who do not and will not attend, or t'other way about.

Alcohol. Mainland Europeans have a sensible approach to alcohol - so your German should be no problem. Swedes on the other hand can be absolute horrors! Everything you suspect from their Viking heritage in relation to alcohol is regrettably true! Alcohol has long been strictly controlled in Sweden and with very high prices too, so you might expect your Swede to go a little crazy at the opportunity to get drunk (very drunk) regularly in the freer US. For us in the UK, it wouldnt be anything unusual to how young people are here, but it might come as a shock to you, so be prepared just in case.

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 2:28:38 AM   
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It is almost certain that the German will speak good English. Having tried to learn German I dont know how they do it.

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 2:48:34 AM   
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As Ramstein (the rock group names after the US airbase of the same name.) say

We're all living in America,
America ist wunderbar.
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.
We're all living in America,
Coca-Cola, Wonderbra,
We're all living in America,
Amerika, Amerika.


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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 5:21:05 AM   
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MC - you know Ramstein? What did you make of the Snow White video!? (cant remember the song title now, but the guys are the dwarves, labouring for a rather attractive and dominant Snow White.....)

seeks - German is actually a very easy language that follows rules (unlike English) and has so many words that are akin to English its easy to build vocabulary. Its just a matter of learning the case system (nominative, accusative, genitive, dative), the irregular verbs (which are the same in English anyway, speak/spoke/spoken = spricht/sprach/gesprochen), and the regularities and its simple. The plurals can be tricky, but as long as you add -e or -en they get the idea. And if you can think along the lines of old English sentence structure, its job done!

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 5:30:18 AM   
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Lady E: I find German difficult, you find it easy, I refuse to admit what that suggests about our relative mental capacity, demand a recount and I am going off for a sulk !

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 5:34:58 AM   
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seeks - vielleicht wurde ein paar Lehrungen von mir dich helfen?

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 6:08:59 AM   
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Wenn sie wollen Herrin. Wenn ich ein mehrer geistiger Mann waere, so wuerde das mir helfen. e = Umlaut.
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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 6:25:58 AM   
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seeks - ich bin der Meinung dass meine Lehrungs-Methoden mehr von Interesse als Nutz fuer dich wurden; du sprichst deutsch, also du brauchst keine Lehrung; Verbesserung vielleicht, aber keine Lehrung. Vielleicht aber wurden meine Verbesserungs-Methoden auch von Interesse sein, und daraus wurden nur weitergehende Fehler sich ergeben.....
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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 6:38:51 AM   
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Language barriers shouldn't be a problem, I believe swedes are very good in english, and most germans are pretty good in english..but then there“re some that don't speak english at all... I was in germany and well I use english lol but then when I ended up on people speaking no english omygoodlytoodlessness.. was trying to save myself with my poor german..it worked though

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 6:44:15 AM   
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quote:

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MC - you know Ramstein? What did you make of the Snow White video!? (cant remember the song title now, but the guys are the dwarves, labouring for a rather attractive and dominant Snow White.....)



I took my nephews to see them in Amsterdam the other year. I think they are absolutely superb and I find German a far better language than English for rock music with all its spitzs and spats. I've seen the video but I'm no expert but I've seen the video, well just about all their videos. Most are somewhat disturbing but all the better for it.

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 7:13:28 AM   
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Lady E: reading between the lines of your last post it seems to me you want to whip my arse !

If I am wrong I told you I couldn't speak German. !
Anyway I win,...again.....doesn't  <wurde> meaning <would> need an Umlaut ?

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RE: 2 new roommates, 2 different countries, 2 different... - 9/15/2006 7:24:39 AM   
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seeks - I seriously doubt any amount of whipping would help you!

And yes, I made a spelling mistake, and that you mentioned it just proves what I wrote in German, that you dont need any teaching, but would be more interested in my methods of correction. Pointing out the teacher's mistakes is very rude seeks, and of course requires correction! I will see you in my study after class.

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