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Ettique? - 9/16/2006 12:03:14 AM   
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    Ok, so here/ a questionf for E/everyone. This is mainly directed at master's but subs and slaves can feel free to answer as well. When You meet a sub/slave off of this site and they have caught Your intrest, after You have spoken with them via email and IMs and You have moved onto the phone. When speaking with a sub on the phone how do You as a Master expect them to behave? Are they required to call You Sir or Master? And what else do You expect of them?
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RE: Ettique? - 9/16/2006 12:22:19 AM   
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I definitely don't expect her to call me Master! If she feels comfortable calling me Sir, that's fine, but not required. Until I become her Dom, Master, Daddy or whatever, she's under no obligation to do or say anything.

In the "getting to know each other" stages, I want to get to know the real person. If she doesn't behave in a manner that's appropriate, then I've learned something very important.

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RE: Ettique? - 9/16/2006 12:29:10 AM   
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When speaking with a sub on the phone how do You as a Master expect them to behave?

Above all?  Honesty, of course.  As for demeanor, respectful, lighthearted, just being herself.  I, personally, am not into performances -- I prefer the real person as they are.  Some Doms/Masters differ on this, requiring personality changes and other things to mold their submissive from a very early stage, but that's another discussion.  Again, honesty must come shining through.
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Are they required to call You Sir or Master? And what else do You expect of them?

Required?  Absolutely not.  It has not been earned and by the time it has we would have moved on to bigger things than phone etiquette.  I have been called Sir, but it was whimsical and facetious, as the conversation was loaded with all the usual overtones and wit.  Then again, playfulness goes a long way with me.  Anyway, such etiquette is a form of verbal "play" to me and that should be born of desire, not contrived etiquette. As for being called "Sir," if it's just being polite to someone she recognizes and perhaps respects as a dominant, then that would be fine, but not demanded.

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RE: Ettique? - 9/16/2006 3:39:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: illuminati1

   Ok, so here/ a questionf for E/everyone. This is mainly directed at master's but subs and slaves can feel free to answer as well. When You meet a sub/slave off of this site and they have caught Your intrest, after You have spoken with them via email and IMs and You have moved onto the phone. When speaking with a sub on the phone how do You as a Master expect them to behave? Are they required to call You Sir or Master? And what else do You expect of them?


Heh I scare them off before they talk to me.

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RE: Ettique? - 9/16/2006 4:00:28 AM   
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Just checking but when you ask "When You meet a sub/slave off of this site.... <snip>", you don't actually mean "meet" as in r/l?
 
On the phone to a a virtual stranger, I don't expect her to be anything other than her normal self as much as possible.  I don't appreciate just any sub calling me 'Sir', so I emphasise that I have a given name - which she would already know from my *first* email.
 
If anything worthwhile is gonna evolve between us, it's important to me that we have more in common than just BDSM.
 
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RE: Ettique? - 9/16/2006 8:02:38 AM   
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Not only with new submissives or slaves but with any and all people in and out of the scene, I figure they will come to their own conclussion as to how formal or informal they will be when talking with me, usually based on how formal or informal I am in my conversations with them. I used to actually tell people in the scene not to use the honorific Master Archer with me unless they had known me personally at least a year. But I've shifted on that and mearly tell them I don't expect the honorific.
"You don't have to call me Master Archer". I figure they will come to their own conclussion of what to use.

The one thing I do still insist on though is I do not accept the use of "Master" all by itself from anyone I don't have in my collar.



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RE: Etiquette? - 9/16/2006 8:43:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: illuminati1
When You meet a sub/slave off of this site and they have caught Your intrest, after You have spoken with them via email and IMs and You have moved onto the phone. When speaking with a sub on the phone how do You as a Master expect them to behave? Are they required to call You Sir or Master? And what else do You expect of them?


I expect a female to refer to me as "Sir," out of basic observance of respect. A term like Master is reserved only for when I feel it is appropriate. Similarly, but by far the most ambitious of words in the triad is slave. I am quite particular about this last denomination, and it may take years to reach the reality of its true meaning.

As for attitude and etiquette, I request a girl show honesty and openness with me. Protocol is not focused upon so much as getting to know her. I encourage her questions, in turn, and delight in answering them. Sometimes these "conversations" will last months before I deem it appropriate to meet, and sometimes it is only a matter of days; it ultimately depends upon the quality of the individual and what level I feel they're at.

In this sense, I liken the interaction to some encrypted passage or lore, opened only with the right purity of heart and desire. My focus is not to embark upon a safari of tolerance or inclusion; it is to seek the manifestation of a particular being, or to spelunk the mind of a willing soul and draw the preferred creature out.

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RE: Ettique? - 9/16/2006 8:56:13 AM   
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The context of how one meets another is of no relevance to me.... I want the person to be their natural self... for it is their natural self that I would be most interested in and not the shroud of behaviors they cover themself up with.

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RE: Ettique? - 9/17/2006 6:26:11 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: illuminati1

   Ok, so here/ a questionf for E/everyone. This is mainly directed at master's but subs and slaves can feel free to answer as well. When You meet a sub/slave off of this site and they have caught Your intrest, after You have spoken with them via email and IMs and You have moved onto the phone. When speaking with a sub on the phone how do You as a Master expect them to behave? Are they required to call You Sir or Master? And what else do You expect of them?

before meeting Master for the first time in person, this slave always called him by his given name. Master was reserved until this slave could look into his eyes

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RE: Etiquette? - 9/17/2006 6:30:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: amayos


I expect a female to refer to me as "Sir," out of basic observance of respect. A term like Master is reserved only for when I feel it is appropriate. Similarly, but by far the most ambitious of words in the triad is slave. I am quite particular about this last denomination, and it may take years to reach the reality of its true meaning.



I'm not sure I understand..."basic observance of respect"...respect that you are male?  Is that what you mean?

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RE: Etiquette? - 9/17/2006 8:33:03 AM   
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ettiquette?  the only ettiquette I request of anyone I to meet for the first time, or even speak on the phone with, is the basic observance of respect (common courtesy) of naming me, as I would be using her name.  I am not going to get into the semantics of titles, for unless I am at work, or in some sort of uniform, there's no point to titles, except in forms of endearment, and such...

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RE: Ettique? - 9/17/2006 9:10:53 AM   
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Dear illuminati1, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am a respectful person by nature so, I would appreciate respect in return.
 
At my age (which is so old I'm beyond over the hill but under the hill), polite exchanges were drilled into kids as to address people as Ma'am or Sir, that were adults.  It carries over for me.  Now days, I think people have to make an effort to be polite.
 
That said, nobody will fault you in being polite.  However, one can tell if it is said in a snippy or bratty way, as to be not very sincere.  But, I also think respect is a two way street, to which respect is earned and not assumed based on gender or role choice.
 
I've seen some rather rude dominants in both men and women, to include rather rude men and women who identify as submissive/slave.  I personally won't stoop to the gutter's drainage system to join them but, others may be willing to do so.  It is all a personal choice.
 
I would be on alert if any stranger demanded respect based on their dominant nature.  Anybody can be a demanding rear end of a four legged jack ass/donkey/mule but, it takes a gentleman and or a lady, to invite and or inspire another into giving respect by choice/desire.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: Ettique? - 9/17/2006 10:24:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

Dear illuminati1, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
I am a respectful person by nature so, I would appreciate respect in return.
 
At my age (which is so old I'm beyond over the hill but under the hill), polite exchanges were drilled into kids as to address people as Ma'am or Sir, that were adults.  It carries over for me.  Now days, I think people have to make an effort to be polite.

 
You are so right Lady Hugs! It takes little effort to be polite and use the mores` of the region we live in and meet expectations of civility that we have learned. This is not just a BDSM concept.

 
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That said, nobody will fault you in being polite.  However, one can tell if it is said in a snippy or bratty way, as to be not very sincere.  But, I also think respect is a two way street, to which respect is earned and not assumed based on gender or role choice.

 
Again I so agree with this statement. All human beings deserve being treated with a level of dignity and respect until they show they are undeserving of these things. Role or gender does not in and of itself establish one deserving of these things more than another innately.
 
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I would be on alert if any stranger demanded respect based on their dominant nature.  Anybody can be a demanding rear end of a four legged jack ass/donkey/mule but, it takes a gentleman and or a lady, to invite and or inspire another into giving respect by choice/desire.
 

Wonderful and wise advice... and advice I would follow if I were the OP...
 

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RE: Ettique? - 9/17/2006 10:41:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

The context of how one meets another is of no relevance to me.... I want the person to be their natural self... for it is their natural self that I would be most interested in and not the shroud of behaviors they cover themself up with.


My feelings exactly.


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RE: Ettique? - 9/17/2006 2:15:14 PM   
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Great question illuminati1,

I am certain that the answers to this are between one Dom and one Sub only.  In other words - the answers are unique to each individual couple.  This is one of the most beautiful and attractive aspects of D/s/s to me.

Below are my guidelines.  They are not meant to distract from or as an alternative to those of any other Dom/me.  They are mine alone.

Guidelines only - the natural interaction between the two more important to me than anything else listed here.

Step 1: Getting to Know One Another

This is what you have asked about.  This is the stage when my potential sub and I get to know and understand one another's mind, heart, spirit, soul.  My potential sub may speak freely, and ask anything of me that she may.   She is still an independent woman in my eyes. Free to do as she sees fit.

In may ways I will be courting her during this stage.  Her submissive nature and attitude are the main attractors.

This is an opportunity for me to reveal myself to her as well.  To let her come to know my sensibilities, how my mind works, the gentleness as well as the dark ambitions of my soul.  There is no time frame.  Being one's self, and naturally moving to the next step is most important.

I do consider it my responsibility to test and probe at this stage - to make certain that what she is expressing to me as her wants and needs are in fact present in her heart.  she is led by me at this point.

Also it is our shared responsability to admit to one another when the inner voice reveals the lack of that compatability.  Lest we become entrapped into setteling.

Step 2: Under Consideration

At this stage I inform her that she has pleased me to the point, and I see enough possibility for us that I formally request that she be placed under my consideration. Upon her acceptance - things between us become a bit more formal as her training by me actually begins at this point.

I will further test her submissiveness, her general attitude, her sexual attitude, and her spirit. This is largely for me to determine her areas of need.  Of our compatibility.

Although I have not offered to collar her yet, and she has not accepted my collar yet - while under consideration by me she will effectively belong to me.   Meaning her sex. (Must ask permission - for any sexual contact - including masturbation).   Included are those of her daily activities that I chose to involve myself in.   She will be given tasks to accomplish.  She will be used sexually.  This is her opportunity to demonstrate both her need and her willingness.

During this time the "rules" will be established. They may change from time to time as this is a process that is specific to her - and as new things are learned - new lessons may be applied.

She will be asked to complete a questionnaire of her kink interests and experiences. The more I know about her the better I am able to assist her with her need.

She will also be given educational assignments to complete.

I will begin to implement protocol at this stage.

Step 3: My Claiming of her

If and when I am moved to extend my collar to her I will ask her to accept it.

This means that I am offering to take her completely under my protection and care. Her well-being becomes my responsability.  The process and time frame from Step 2 to Step 3 can be lengthy.

Our compatibility needs to be certain - especially if we are both seeking a final life’s relationship.

Step 4: her Acceptance/Refusal

Should she refuse or otherwise decline my offer - we move on to friendship if we like. I can already tell I would be honored to have her as my friend by this point.

Should she accept my offer - she will no longer belong to herself only - but also to me. To me first. she becomes My sub at this point. I her Dom.

This acceptance will be the last decision she will be permitted to make independent of my approval.  (except of course for the decision to ask to be released from same).  I will formally collar her - and she will wear my collar at all times (unless I tell her to take it off). (Don't worry darling - I have excellent taste).

With only the exception of those items that we have mutually agreed are her Hard Limits (written contractually between us) she will have no say to override my decisions, requests, or demands on her.  Such demands will  always be tempered by my outgoing care and concern for her well-being.
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This is very serious to me. To date I have not collard a single female. I will not offer it unless she completely compels me to. Until there is no other option really.

As my sub you shall have the right to request to be released as my collared sub. I must honor this request without exception.

Step 5: Transition to Salve:

She may or may not ever develop the desire/need to make this transition. There are many differing understandings within the lifestyle as to the difference between sub/slave.

In my mind - really, it is only a matter of commitment. Once a sub knows in her soul that she must belong to her Dom forever she may chose to ask to be his slave.

There really are only a few major differences. Once the sub has made this commitment in her heart - and she is accepted as slave by her Dom her hard limits no longer apply, except as they may according to the good judgment of the Dom.

As slave she is 100% the property of her Dom. This obviously requires a high level of trust to be present in the relationship. Should the slave not wish to comply with the desire, request, or command of her Dom, it really is too bad. she will be made to comply - or suffer the consequences until she does.

Her status is much the same as any other property that her Dom may own.

The Dom may release his slave from his protection and care, at any time and for any reason, however - this is usually only done in a case of unrepentant blatant disobedience.

The slave may ask to be released at any time - but the Dom may allow this or not according to his decision and whim.

The Dom could give, lend, or sell his slave to another Dom/me if he so chose. Just as with any possession.

This arrangement - although consensual between the parties is of course not legally binding within the U.S., due to anti-slavery laws. So although there is usually a signed contract involved - largely this is a matter of the soul.

The Vanilla Equivalent (In my mind only):

Step 1: Courting
Step 2: Going Steady
Step 3: Engagement
Step 4: Living together
Step 5: Marriage

All of this is open to discussion. Be certain that you do not agree to any step in this process with any would-be Dom until you are certain in your heart and your soul that you need to.

By the by illuminati1 - you appear to be quite the little darling.

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RE: Ettique? - 9/27/2006 8:56:00 PM   
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Required?  Absolutely not.   However I would appreciate respect in return and would request the sub address me as SIR.

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