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War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 1:29:01 AM   
NorthernGent


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Status: offline 		This "war on terror" nonsense. This is the perfect example of how blind we are as a society - the fact we will put up with this. A researcher at the University of Ohio has looked at the facts and concluded that, in a year, more people die in the US in their bathtubs than they do worldwide from terrorist activities. Do we need a war on bathtubs!? I will bet my right arm that with a little propaganda our governments could lead a fair proportion of societies into believeing that a war on bathtubs is necessary!

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 2:16:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree that the war on terror is a nonsense but just because more people die in accidents, doesn't mean we should allow terrorists to roam freely through our society and kill innocent people at will because the numbers aren't big. People understand the tragic nature of accidents and accidents don't create fear like terrorism does and which is the whole idea of terrorism.

There is a terrorist problem and we would be better treating terrorism as a criminal act rather than elevating it to a war. However, as is being proved in Britian now, there is a trend amongst young muslims to become terrorists and to ignore that fact is stupid. How many muslims are waiting or going through the courts in Britain now, fifty or sixty with security admitting to there being potentially one thousand? The muslim communities really do need to look at themselves and say that these young muslims are harming their interests, rather than saying while they don't agree with Islamic terrorism, they understand its reasons. Muslims have to choose, they are citizens of western nations or they aren't and if they aren't and think they should fight, they should go to the ME and take up arms there. We in the west have a right to police our society and root out terrorists.   

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 3:36:57 AM   
Chaingang


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Status: offline 		NorthernGent:

I am saddened that you have fallen for that smear campaign on bathtubs when it's clear that the most dangerous thing in a house is your bed:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v237/andrewdrilon/464px-Little_nemo_the_walking_bed.jpg

How can you be so gullible!!!

And meatcleaver:

How many of those Muslim terrorists are linked to the "drill" on the London Underground?

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 4:17:26 AM   
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And meatcleaver:

How many of those Muslim terrorists are linked to the "drill" on the London Underground?


I take your point. However, many reasonable muslims give comfort to terrorists and potential terrorists by saying 'I don't believe in terrorism but....'. The west has to win hearts and minds and I agree with them that western foreign policy is wrong headed and I have no argument with British muslims wanting to change it, I want to change it. One thing that appears to be true, terrorists can't exist for long without a sympathetic host population. That is not to say the host population are complicite in terrorism but have sympathies not dissimilar from the terrorists and so don't recognize terrorists in their midst. I think experience is bearing this out in Britain.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 4:39:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I sure hope no one in power reads this...we'll start seeing warning labels on bathtubs....lol.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 5:56:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		The tactics that have proven effective in countering insurgencies and guerillas are well documented and well known.  The only problem is that for the most part, every policy being adopted by this administration runs counter to those tactics.

Both the military and the police are tools, there are both effective and inefective times to utilize them, we again seem to choose the most inefective tool for any given task.

I was reading FIASCO, a book about the invasion and occupation of Iraq and had to put it down because it was just too frustrating.  Time and time again, against good advice, they figured out a way to do the wrong thing.  I knew some of the problems and that was more than enough to piss me off, I didn't really need to see that many more instances.

You are right about the war on terror, they are not the massive threat the Republicans want to make them out to be.  Those who want to level cities have it dead wrong, to win, we need to build cities, we need to fix just a few of the things we have broken. 

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 6:15:44 AM   
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I sure hope no one in power reads this...we'll start seeing warning labels on bathtubs....lol.


To late.   I have seen them on there when they built that new house next door.   Guess the risk managers thought of it first. 

The police do have skills that the military doesn't and probably will never have.  The military has the weapons that the police doesn't have (except when I was in Berlin and their police seemed to have just about everything including mortors).  I personally don't have a problem with letting the police set some of the priorities, objectives and tactics with the Army under their command.   Oh we can't do that because of possee comotatus (sp).

Our system of juris prudence has so many loopholes in it and doesn't apply to foreign nationals outside of the US.  So we would have to be enforcing international law, and I don't believe that international law prohibits unconventional tactics in the prosecution of a war (which was declared in 1998 by the other side and not recognied by ours). 

So what is the answer,   I don't know.  But it is an interesting thread.   And great conjecture.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 6:25:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken,

Don't forget, the military has its own police, only problem is Rummy wouldn't let them come to Iraq, he left most of them in Europe and here in the US.

Again, if you want to know what the right thing to do is, look at what Bush is doing and the opposite is probably the accepted tactic.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 6:27:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hold the phone, Charlie!  Are you telling me the government is doing nothing about this yet? 

Next thing you know, someone will bring a bathtub on a plane, and we'll all suffer.

Fucking republicans.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 6:30:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken,

There is no monolithic "other side".  Look at the US, are we all "one side"?  The difference is we have a government that controls/handles "our sides" response.  They don't.

So you have groups on the "other side" who have widely different goals.  Osama's is to get the Saudi Royals out and a religious leader or more likely himself in power.  Iran's is to become more integrated and not an outcast from the greater ME.  Osama and the other wahabi groups see Iran as both an outsider and as heretics.  Since nobody controls their actions and all feel threated by the US, they all direct much of their action against us.  However, don't for a second believe it is all some coordinated action.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 6:32:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of the differences between the extremists and what are described as the moderates in the Muslim community, I can tell you, from personal experience if Philosopher wants the source, that if you can get a what appears to be a moderate Muslim to open up and discuss politics you might get a shock as to what they think of UK society and how they would like to see it changed.

I only got  what I would describe as this confidential response because I used to express my dislike of the Brit. Upper Middle Class Public (privately educated)  school boys who have brought the country to its knees. In my opinion !
Economically anyway !

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 6:38:26 AM   
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quote:

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Ken,

Don't forget, the military has its own police, only problem is Rummy wouldn't let them come to Iraq, he left most of them in Europe and here in the US.

Again, if you want to know what the right thing to do is, look at what Bush is doing and the opposite is probably the accepted tactic.


The Military police that you speak of is varied and closer akin to jailers and traffic cops.  Most true criminal investigations are conducted by CID, NCIS, etc. which is made up mostly of civilian professinal policemen.  Military police during combat operations is to handle POWs and running traffic control points. (entirely different skills that might be needed to track down and bring to justice terrorists).   the navy shore patrol (their mp equivilant) is made up of whoever is on the duty roster.  The AF security police are trained closer to airport security.  As to how many are needed in Iraq, how many prisoners are being held?   That would tell us

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 6:40:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Ken,

There is no monolithic "other side".  Look at the US, are we all "one side"?  The difference is we have a government that controls/handles "our sides" response.  They don't.

So you have groups on the "other side" who have widely different goals.  Osama's is to get the Saudi Royals out and a religious leader or more likely himself in power.  Iran's is to become more integrated and not an outcast from the greater ME.  Osama and the other wahabi groups see Iran as both an outsider and as heretics.  Since nobody controls their actions and all feel threated by the US, they all direct much of their action against us.  However, don't for a second believe it is all some coordinated action.


I have said basically this before and I agree. 

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 7:34:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why don't you put down all your books and reports from the media and schools and go to Iraq and see how it really is over there. Live in Bagdahd for a mere 30 days, then move north for a while and then to Afghanistan and meet the people yourself and talk to them and find out how they feel about what is going on. Take a ride on a convoy and deliver goods to families with children. Bring them good fortune. Set up a generator so the can have electicity and air conditioning. Go find a terrorist camp and see if they would like to have a beer with you and discuss the world governments with you You can read and listen to all the stuff that is available to you and sit back in front of your computer and make comments about  the democrats and republicans all you want, but that is because of the country you live and breathe in.  
ALL propaganda is designed to either make you want to support or condem the actions of the worlds governments. Some of it is true and some of it is false information. 
A lot of people don't realize that a terrorist would kill an American just because he or she is American, the terrorist does not care if you are democrat or republican. He will kill you because you don't pray the way he does or because you don't pray to the terrorists god or some other ignorant reason, and if you don't pray at all well good luck talking you way out of that one.
The Pope said something and now people want to censor him and have him apoligize. If that is the way he feels and they can not understand what he meant by his statement then that is thier problem and not the worlds problem.


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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 7:41:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		By all that is holy in bathing luxury I am with you! I have been threatening to declare war on my bathtub for 5 years.

Bought this house when it was only two years old. It is not a big house, it was less than half finished, the people that began building lost it and the bank auctioned the farm off. Many rooms were unfinished, didn't even have a porch or real steps going up to the door to get in, just wobbly concrete blocks stacked up.

The bathroom however was finished, but BADLY. Why do I say this you might ask??? WELL, how many of you suffer the pathetic excuse of the delightful invention of the fibreglass tubshower disaster?? Most of the time a shower is preferred, but when I am sick with a fever, miserable with female cramp issues, cold all the way thru from working outside in crappy weather I want a nice long hot soak before bed. Now, I am not a large woman. Five foot six inches if I stand nice and straight, not skinny but I don't get stuck in lawn furniture when I try to stand up either. I can polish my toe nails and tie my shoe laces with ease. YET, there is NO WAY I can sink down into that pathetic excuse of a bathtub, up to my neck in blessed heat. Unless of course my legs are sticking clear up and out of the water at the other end. Not acceptable at all!!! It's time to rip that worthless powderblue motherfucker OUT I say! A shower should be a shower and a tub a TUB dammit!


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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 8:33:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		.............it's not enough to simply have a War on Bathtubs, we need a War on the Causes of Bathtubs.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 8:38:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I look at it this way. The bathtub war I can solve, easily. Rip out the worthless fibreglass powderblue attrocity and put in a real and seperate, shower then nice big soaking tub.

The other crap, it will still be a mess 100 years from now.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 8:53:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		My cellphone is missing and personally, I think my bathtub has it. Only thing is I have 4 bathtubs and a jacuzzi. I dont know which one has it! I've heard about how dangerous they are and perhaps I should report it to the FBI.

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 8:58:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lashra........send all the bathtubs to a base outside the USA where bathtub rights don't apply..........then its time to get out the non-non abrasive cleaners and the tarnish-dat-chrome-kwik out.........make sure the international community don't get wind of it though, as many countries have significent bathtub populations which could create trouble. Those countries that are the home to the world populations of shower-cublicles will no doubt look on and say smug things like, those bathtubs just aren't civilised...........er....am i getting carried away here with an extended metaphor?

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RE: War on Bathtubs - 9/16/2006 9:00:07 AM   
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Lashra........send all the bathtubs to a base outside the USA where bathtub rights don't apply..........then its time to get out the non-non abrasive cleaners and the tarnish-dat-chrome-kwik out.........make sure the international community don't get wind of it though, as many countries have significent bathtub populations which could create trouble. Those countries that are the home to the world populations of shower-cublicles will no doubt look on and say smug things like, those bathtubs just aren't civilised...........er....am i getting carried away here with an extended metaphor?


I would go hard core and threaten them with bleach.


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