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Broken? - 9/18/2006 3:34:02 AM   
illuminati1


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Status: offline 		Ok, now here's something that has recently crossed my mind due to a phone conversation i had with a VERY close friend of mine. W/we were talking about bondage and about subs and Doms. Well He is a Dom by nature He will NEVER submit. Ever. What i would like to discuss here is being broken. When a sub sumbits to a Dom in a 24/7 situation they give the Dom their mind,body and soul. They give themselves fully to the Dom they place their life in the hands of the Dom expecting hte Dom to make the right decision and always do what is in the best intrest of the sub both physically and mentally. Now here is the question i propose....

Can a sub be broken? Now let me explain this a bit. I mean break their spirit, break the subs will, break their desire to fight back in the slightest of ways so that the sub gives in no matter what. Can a sub be broken mentally? Can their will be broken? Can a sub's soul be broken? Can thei spirit be broken?

I pose the question to E/everyone: sub, slaves, Dom's Domme's, Mistress', Master's and people jsut passing through. i pose this question to EVERYONE.
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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 3:54:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: illuminati1


Can a sub be broken? Now let me explain this a bit. I mean break their spirit, break the subs will, break their desire to fight back in the slightest of ways so that the sub gives in no matter what. Can a sub be broken mentally? Can their will be broken? Can a sub's soul be broken? Can thei spirit be broken?


Only if they allow it to happen.

It is incumbent upon the sub/slave to choose their partner wisely; i would never pick someone who considered breaking anything from a toy to a human. Personally i do not understand why you would wish to break the things you care for.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 4:07:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was broken in my vanilla marriage. In my D/s relationship I feel whole. My ex put me down, Master builds me up. I serve Him because it makes both of us happy and I love to make Him feel good.

Why would He want to break me? It would be no fun for Him to have a sub who was like a doormat, who did not have a sense of humour or smile and laugh. There would be no challenge there, He prefers to have me resist a little, to push my limits and take joy in showing me that what I had once feared was something to be enjoyed.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 4:17:48 AM   
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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 4:23:55 AM   
agirl


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Status: offline 		Yes. Of course. It can and does happen in relationships regardless of whether they are D/s or not.

Personally speaking....... my will does get broken, it's the best thing for me sometimes.....my spirit is never harmed.

I do *give in, no matter what*...because that's the best course of action sometimes.

I do *fight* sometimes but *fight back*?.NO. That would suggest that I need to and I do not. I'm not in a place I don't want to be.

Breaking someones *will* and *giving in* is not the same as breaking someones* soul or spirit*.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 4:45:10 AM   
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Can a sub be broken? Now let me explain this a bit. I mean break their spirit, break the subs will, break their desire to fight back in the slightest of ways so that the sub gives in no matter what. Can a sub be broken mentally? Can their will be broken? Can a sub's soul be broken? Can thei spirit be broken?

Yes they can...and it takes a strong will and much strength to regain it/them back.  Once a person has so completely given all to another and they damage that person's soul/spirit, it takes alot to regain.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 4:51:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes they can be if the correct psychological tools are used, such as the techniques the CIA implements. I've actually seen these techniques listed on *slave training sites*, it is very scarey stuff. I believe only an evil person would seek out to destroy another human beings spirit in order to turn them into a mindless, spiritless drone who does whatever they are told to do.
Of course that drone quality is what some so called *Dominants* are seeking, because they are not true Dominants in any sense of the word. They are small, weak individuals who get their kicks off of harming other people.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 5:10:43 AM   
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quote:

Can a sub be broken?

yes
quote:

  I mean break their spirit, break the subs will, break their desire to fight back in the slightest of ways so that the sub gives in no matter what.


yes
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  Can a sub be broken mentally? Can their will be broken? Can a sub's soul be broken? Can thei spirit be broken?



yes
 
this slave would question why such a thing would be wanted though. This slave WILLINGLY gave up her soul, her mind, her body, and her every thought to Master; he did not have to force compliance from this slave.
 
yes, for all the control that Master has, why would he wish to break that which he places the most value on? that is the question that this slave would ask. Not if, but why.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 5:39:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		A Dominant should lift their sub/slave up not bring them down. They should lift their spirits up not bring them down. The kind of Dominant that does these things wouldn't be someone I would want to be with.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 5:55:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, like the other here, I say yes, a submissive can be broken. And it is done to so many who venture down the path of submission. Unlike the others, though, I will state that it's not the horrible monstrosity that it is made out to be. Many journey down the path of being broken because it is both what they want and the will of the Master. They desire that much of a power exchange, thats why it's called a TPE, in my opinion.

Breaking someone is not about putting them down. It's about giving them a secure place with boundies being fim. There doesn't have to be the game playing that goes on of "How much can I get away with?"

And breaking someone is not taking away their personality. Indeed, it can actually make their personality thrive and blossom into something extraordinary.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 5:56:32 AM   
missturbation


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Status: offline 		Can a sub be broken?
Of course as can anyone.
I mean break their spirit,
Yes you can break someones spirit but personally i have never found this healthy - i have experienced it.
break the subs will,
Again yes but i think treading carefully is needed. Of course sometimes it is good to have my will broken but i wouldnt want it to the extent of i lost the will to live or think for myself.
break their desire to fight back in the slightest of ways so that the sub gives in no matter what.
Yes, but again i think this can be unhealthy. Everyone has limits and some of those need to be respected if they r hard and set. Others are just a matter of breaking down barriers surrounding them so then yes that would be ok in my opinion.
Can a sub be broken mentally?
Of course and to some degree isnt submitting about giving yourself over mentally to your dom / domme?
Can their will be broken?
Yes as above.
Can a sub's soul be broken? Can thei spirit be broken?
Yes but again in my personal opinion its unhealthy.
 


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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 5:59:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very well said, missturbation.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 6:29:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Dom who needs a broken slave must be very scared and insecure - not a true Dom at all, just a bully.  A real Dom can handle a sub or slave who has spirit and personality - they encourage the slave to grow and develop, they don't stamp them down.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 6:41:25 AM   
MrDiscipline44


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Status: offline 		Really becca? You couldn't be more adult? You just had to be so petty? To criticize what you're afraid of and don't understand even when one that enjoys being broken has posted as well as one that breaks for a totally different reason then you post. Thats what I get, I guess, for putting the pearls in front of the swine.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 7:02:20 AM   
becca333


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Status: offline 		Wow struck a nerve with that one!

Interestingly defensive reaction.

Sorry if I made you uncomfortable.  I didn't realise that expressing a different opinion to you made you feel so threatened.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 7:02:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Being *broken* seems to invoke images of poor downtrodden, crushed souls.

From the position of someone that has *suffered* her fair share of *breaking*.....it can be liberating, it can create an enormous sense of security and trust. The times when my will has been broken I am actually relieved and grateful even if, at the time, I want to spit or am angry. What ARISES from it is positive.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 7:04:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: illuminati1


Can a sub be broken? Now let me explain this a bit. I mean break their spirit, break the subs will, break their desire to fight back in the slightest of ways so that the sub gives in no matter what. Can a sub be broken mentally? Can their will be broken? Can a sub's soul be broken? Can thei spirit be broken?



imho..  Anything can be broken, it is the reason for the breaking that should be examined.   i am a woman who wants my will broken, i both want and need to accept his will as mine.    That does not mean i need to be torn apart and left on the side of the road, it just means i want to be his in every sense of the word. 

It is not the right path for everyone, may not even be the right path for most, but for some of us being broken may just mean being fixed.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 7:07:46 AM   
becca333


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Status: offline 		I think we're in an area where terms need to be clearly defined - to some of us 'broken' means cold manipulation and calculated destruction of the personality. 

To others it could mean the freedom to give up all sense of self and be totally open to experiences.  At least, that's the sense I get from some of the posts. 

Coldly destroying a person for your own satisfaction is the action of a weak, scared personality.  Freeing a someone, with their own consent, to explore deeper parts of their psyche is a totally different action. 

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 7:08:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		From someone who has been a slave for 12 years I have never associated being broken with setting limits and boundaries. I dont consider being who I am being broken. If some see it as liberating than good for you but others may not share that view and shouldnt be ostricized for having a different opninion. I am so lucky to have a Master that makes me feel like a goddess and not like a broken soul. Being trained and broken are totally different.

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RE: Broken? - 9/18/2006 7:20:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone can be broken, the extent of the break determines whether they can heal themselves. I do not understand this concept in action and to me it is abuse. (disclaimer.. I said to me it is abuse, others will consider it s consensual kink)

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