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confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 8:55:17 PM   
patina


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Status: offline 		I am a lot confused on certain protocal of the slave status.  If she is the property of the Dom what about her personal items, her income,(retirement) her house, her car.  If she can be given to another Dom what happens to those things.  If she is kicked out does she keep her poessions.  If she is lent to another Dom and he disgusts her will her Master understand and rescue her.  I know and am sorry for so many questions. 
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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 9:00:08 PM   
truesub4u


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Status: offline 		There are things you do not give up just because you're a sub to a dom. If you're a marrying type sub.. that's different... but unless you are about a year or more in a D/s relationship... living together... IMOHO... that's a line tht doesn't get crossed...and any dom wanting you to cross that line.. is up to no good. 

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 9:07:26 PM   
Kirei


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Status: offline 		It all depends on what you desire.  If you desire to give it up and sign a contract stating such, then you better have it worded right for all to understand.  In my opinion you should live with someone for over 5 yrs before you give up all that stuff to them if you want to be the true slave and live the ideal.  But you better really know what your getting into if you decide to go that route.  Its a path few would ever take.  It would take a great deal of trust to do that.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 9:15:36 PM   
Lashra


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Status: offline 		You can ask ten different people this question and get ten different answers. I am not a sub or a slave, I am a Dominant. My feeling on it is this do not sign over or give away any of your assets to someone unless you have known and lived with that person for at least 3-5 years. Why do I say this? Because I've seen a few slaves end up homeless and penniless. Its sad when it happens to a young person but imagine being in your 50-60 bracket and have absolutely nothing to show for it because some past Owner has taken it all.
Also I would never ever sign over a house or property over to anyone unless marriage was involved. That is a huge asset and to loose it can be ruinous. If the marriage were to go sour at least your interests would be protected.
If you intend to go with a Master who might trade you off, you may want to think about that twice. Do you really want to be handed from man to man, even possibly to someone you might dislike? slaves DO have a choice and you decide that yourself in the very beginning.
All in all look out for yourself and be smart about it, you don't want to end up broke and homeless.

Good luck,
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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 9:29:56 PM   
patina


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Status: offline 		I am not a slave and probably never will be one as i'm too strong willed but a previous Dom tried to tell me this is how a slave does. This is the same one whom I got ticked off at and told him he could F--- OFF.   No man talked to me or called my mom names like he did, we were through I was leaving him.  I am now trying to find out if all he told me was true about this lifestyle, it seems it was not.  I will have to forget all I know and learn from scratch.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 9:34:47 PM   
Owned1


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Status: offline 		Do your own research,  do a search on the boards for books to read, sites to view.  In order to give yourself you must be worth giving.

btw a slave does not equate to being less than strong,  in fact it is the exact opposite imho,  to give of yourself to another you must be strong in yourself.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 9:48:42 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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Status: offline 		A)  This is about consent.  If you are ok with it in the relationship, you say so, if you aren't you say so.  This is why you must be clear on what you are committing to.

B)  No one will have the same definition of what a "slave" is and anyone trying to prove it to you is just trying to shame and overblow you so that you will feel you need them and listen to them

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 9:51:01 PM   
Phoenixandnika


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Status: offline 		I have seen slaves and submissive sign over their assets (homes, vehicles, and other real property) over to their Owners.
 
I have seen submissives and slaves simply sign over their paycheck to their Owners.
 
I have seen submissives and slaves sign over retirement funds to their Owners.
 
I have seen submissives and slaves  sign over custody of their children to their Owners.
 
I have also seen Owners set up health insurance, retirement funds, bank accounts and other such things to give their "at home submissive or slave" some finacial stability of their own.
 
Are these things "required" to proof your slaver or submission? In my opinion, no. However, for some it works but it has turned into nightmares for others. It is one of those things that someone should not do lightly or on impulse. I agree that it should not be done unless your either married(which gives you some legal rights to such things if you divorce) to your Owner or you have been in a relationship for a minimium of 3 years. If a submissive or slave does these things I would also make sure there was / is a written contract regarding property and finanies in the even the relationship falls apart.
 




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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 10:17:40 PM   
angielouwhos


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Status: offline 		In my opinion, these are mainly items that should only be discussed in the context of a very long term relationship/marriage. We are slaves but we also have a safety net to fall back on it. It just makes good common sense.

It really doesn't make you any less his/her/their "property" without those safety measures in place. We are slaves through our daily service and actions.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 10:24:22 PM   
Horadell


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Status: offline 		I completely agree with Pheonix and Nika above... Just because a Master wants you to sign things over to Him/Her (Mistress), does NOT mean you have to be stupid about it.

Sure, your Owner may know how to better handle all of your fincances, but that doesn't mean that they should continue to control those finances if you ever tire of Them or They of you.

Want to sign over your assets? No problem. Want to do so without making certain if you ever split up, you will get what is rightfully yours, you are naive, and deserve whatever befalls you. If your Owner makes you feel guilty for wanting to protect your assets if you split up, well... Find a new Owner who isn't trying to scam you.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/18/2006 10:26:49 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		Some slaves like to be financially dominated in the way that they like to give everything they own to their dominant to use as he wants. I would not like this arrangement unless there was a marriage vow in place. Unlike truesub4u, I would not necessarily say that the dominant that demands this is suspect, but a submissive/slave needs to find one they trust and make sure it is emotionally satisfying for them to engage in this

My body is the most precious possession I have, if I am going to offer this, then they are certainly welcome to use the rest of what I have. I do not desire a master that would take all of what I have and give it away, and I would not likely stay with someone who did that. If you find that emotionally satisying then it would work for you.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 2:47:02 AM   
julietsierra


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Status: offline 		I'm a slave. I have a boat. My father gave it to me. It's been in our family for years - since before I even hit puberty. My Master has a boat or two. We keep them in different places around the lake here. He has the river, I have the lake.

When he's in conversations with his fishing buddies, and the topic of heading out to the lake to fish comes up with it's attending discussions of  where to dock next year, my Master always replies that he doesn't have to trailer his boat to the lake since he has another one already docked over there. His fishing buddies are not involved in this lifestyle. They look at me like "Are you going to take this stuff?!" And I just smile and say that he does indeed have another boat in the lake that he can go fish from.

Because he does. Whose name is on the title - who makes the decision to sell - who pays for the repairs - in the end, means nothing, because if he came to me and said that he and his fishing buddies were thinking about going to go fishing in the lake, I'd be right there with the keys, the charts, and my bathing suit, and MY fishing pole so that I could captain them out there and and take them where they want to go. I buy the worms, they buy the gas.

I've known all along that being the chauffer on the lake is SO much more fun than being the chauffer in a car and even though my name is on the registration for the boat, and we don't live together, he still has as much right to it as if we were. (Afterall, it still takes my signature on the transfer of title to sell the thing, and I'm not that stupid. The suggestion to sell my boat would be an even harder limit than nearly anything I can think of..)

He doesn't want my house. And I honestly don't think he's going to find much use for my clothes. I talk about the boat because of what I own, the boat is my prized possession - and I am his - we're kind of a package deal.

So far, the only problem I've come across is that I get to help him cleaning his boat up in the spring and fall, whereas I haven't quite been able to convince him to help clean up mine. I think he likes to let me feel the "pride of boat ownership" to its fullest, so I get to do it twice - once with his help, and once on my own.

But I have slave labor too. I come with three members of my family who also like boats and are really pretty good with a scrub brush. And as the "Momme" I get to issue orders of my own.



juliet

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 2:53:58 AM   
bandit25


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Status: offline 		You pretty much have your answer.  If it isn't consentual or doesn't feel right, then you prolly shouldn't do it.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 3:26:27 AM   
OhReallyNow


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quote:

ORIGINAL: patina

I am a lot confused on certain protocal of the slave status.  If she is the property of the Dom what about her personal items, her income,(retirement) her house, her car.  If she can be given to another Dom what happens to those things.  If she is kicked out does she keep her poessions.  If she is lent to another Dom and he disgusts her will her Master understand and rescue her.  I know and am sorry for so many questions. 

this slave does not live with Master; yet Master keeps accounts of her spending : ), which this slave was happy to allow him to do. She has her own car, in her own name, though Master takes care of all repairs, she rents her own home and pays her own bills.
Master would never just give up his property to another; however if he was to lend her to another for a set period of time, that is Master's choice to do so. If this slave finds the one she is lent to 'disgusting', she will still serve him to the best of her ability. Her service reflects back on Master.
 
this slave would like to now point out that Master has never lent her to another; only that if he wished to do so, that is his choice, and this slave would accept that. When this slave offered herself to Master, she did so knowing that at times, there may be some things that would be distasteful that would be requested of her. These were things that she accepted as part of Master's ownership.
 
As mentioned, these are all things that one must first discuss with the person whom they begin a relationship. This kind of control over another is not for everyone and should not be entered lightly.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 4:21:12 AM   
eyesopened


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Status: offline 		*smiles* We tend to be quick to entrust our bodies to Someone we can't trust to hold our credit cards.  i look at things fairly simplistic.  i will not surrender that for which a Dom/Master is not able to take responsibility.  Any Master who would take property, retirement, income, pension without providing stability and a contingent if things don't work out is just a sponge, not a Master.  Could you trust Him with your property?  No?  Then don't sign it over.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 4:57:21 AM   
twicehappy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: patina

I am not a slave and probably never will be one as i'm too strong willed but a previous Dom tried to tell me this is how a slave does.


I was emailing with a certain Gorean house and heard the same B.S., my reaction was pretty much your own. I see nothing wrong with requiring a sub/slave who is working to contribute to the household but if they wish to take all you have this should be a big red flag!

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 5:02:20 AM   
peterK50


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Status: offline 		I have a lovely farm in Lexington Ky., 100+ acres of prime land in the middle of horse country. Undeveloped land goes for about $7,000 an acre & mine has fences, barns, paddocks etc., so you do the math as to it's value. I have Dom/mes all the time who want to come & "enslave" me. Gee, I wonder why? My possessions are not for someone who thinks they should have them due to their position. I may leave it to them in my will but until then, you're on your own pal.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 5:32:25 AM   
PhoenixLM


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quote:

ORIGINAL: patina

I am a lot confused on certain protocal of the slave status.  If she is the property of the Dom what about her personal items, her income,(retirement) her house, her car.  If she can be given to another Dom what happens to those things.  If she is kicked out does she keep her poessions.  If she is lent to another Dom and he disgusts her will her Master understand and rescue her.  I know and am sorry for so many questions. 


Depends on the agreement and what the slave has to start with. My Mistress would not require a slave turn over real property (houses cars)  to her. At the same time slaves do not own property. She might use that house or car while the slave was in her service, but it would be in thier names and thier property when they left.

She will use the slaves income for her "house"; lets face it it cost money to clothe, feed, shelter, and provide medical care.

If a slave insist on bringing thier sheets, towels, dishes into the house for household use and later leaves service, those things will not be returned or replaced. It is too big of a hassle.  So in that case property would not be returned. If a slave can store thier property then it would remain thier own.



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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 5:39:16 AM   
marieToo


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Status: offline 		patina:

If it feels wrong, it is wrong.

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RE: confused on slave protocal? - 9/19/2006 6:21:37 AM   
sweetnurseBBW


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Status: offline 		Ok being a slave doesnt mean you aren't strong willed. Talk to a few slaves. Maybe you need to learn what a slave is first. We have different disres and needs but are not weak and feebile.

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