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SirKenin -> RE: Left wing media. (9/23/2006 12:34:46 PM)
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ORIGINAL: philosophy
...i didn't want to paste something that has already been pasted but SK, as you appear to be selectively blind to things here it is.......
"The Soviet Union and other countries ruled by Communist Parties are often described as 'Communist states' with 'state socialist' economic bases. This usage indicates that they proclaim that they have realized part of the socialist program by abolishing private control of the means of production and establishing state control over the economy; however, they do not declare themselves truly communist, as they have not established communal ownership of property."
...i have italicised the relevant points. Please try and understand SK. When you imply that communism and socialism are the same thing, you are wrong. If all you intend to imply is that socialism and communism are both 'left' wing ideologies, then maybe there is some small grain of truth in it. However, of what use is such a broad statement?......Fascism and capitalism are both 'right' of centre ideologies.....does that mean they are the same thing too? i've mentioned Das Kapital a couple of times, you do know what i'm talking about don't you?
This is the point I was trying to make earlier. It does not matter if they declared themselves communist. What matters is that they fell under the definition of communist as defined by your own link.
What also matters is that communism is a branch of socialism, also outlined in your own link. And what also matters to me, and makes me laugh, is that left-wing politics also falls under the umbrella of socialism, which you and Northern Gent fall under (and others).
See, you can declare yourself anything you like. Like others in here that would like to declare themselves a centrist, when clearly they fall under the definition of left-wing (extremists in some cases).
You can not deny the evidence provided in your own link. If you do not like it, you never should have provided the link to begin with.
Just to end your arguing, here is a Google search for you. It defines Russia as being communist.
http://www.google.com/search?q=was+russia+communist%3F
Here is the dictionary definition of communism, clearly showing us that Russia was a communist state:
Communism
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
http://www.answers.com/topic/communism
So, information in your book notwithstanding, the point has been made and there is no sense taking this any further. You are clearly incorrect.
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