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Want some fries with that? - 9/21/2006 8:48:35 PM   
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I recently summarized an article on pandemic obesity and how fast food plays a part.  A post in another thread reminded me of it and I thought I'd share it here.  How many of you eat fast food, and how often?

It was amazing to learn the incredible influence advertisers have over the American diet.  It always seemed obvious that marketing and advertising have influences over consumers, but to actually see the correlation of advertising dollars spent on a set of fast food chains and those same chains rendering top sales was quite interesting.

It was also fascinating, yet disconcerting, to learn that there is one fast food restaurant for every 1,000 people.  That is incredible!  The author joked that there may be more fast food establishments than churches, but he may be right!  It seems as though advertisers are nudging us along to become more and more obese, more and more unhealthy, all in the name of money.  And while capitalism should flourish in this country, there seems something very wrong with that picture.


Here is the summary:

           Pandemic Obesity, by James E. Tillotson, PhD, MBA, presents a compelling urge for his readers to become aware of our nation’s relationship with fast food chains, and the advertising which stands behind it.  There are currently more overweight than underweight people in this country.  While the 1990s passed the Nutrition Labeling and Education Act to set food label standards, more people eat fast food now, which does not require any labeling standards at all.  Consumers are not getting the information they need to make informed choices regarding fast food.  Advertising Age published a summary of the Top 20 Megabrands in 2002, ranking US dollars spent on advertising.  12% of those brands were food brands and over a third of those were fast foods, drink, bread and snack products.  These food products add to the high calorie diets eaten by Americans already suffering from obesity.  What’s more, advertisers can use any means they can get past the FTC in order to reach consumers. 

           The author’s own research showed, to no surprise, that 6 of the leading fast food chains were linked to the top advertising dollars spent on fast food megabrands.  These 6 fast food chains spend $1.68 billion in advertising a year, and reap $50 billion a year in sales.  To demonstrate effectiveness in their advertising, a 2003 study showed that of the top 20 most remembered television commercials, 8 of them were for fast food chains.  What influence advertising has on this country’s diet!  Lack of required nutritional labeling for such a highly consumed product does nothing to help consumers understand what they are eating.  74% of meals dined out are in fast food chains.  There is 1 fast food outlet for every 1,000 Americans!  This has doubled since 1980.  Keeping in mind the advertisers influence on our diet, the convenience and taste of this food, and the availability to purchase this food at nearly every hour of the day, these chains are catering to what consumers want.  Advertisers have at their hands, big dollars to bring in big names to represent their corporate customers.  How can we fight back?  Consumers, after all, are choosing to eat this food, even though they are fast becoming aware of their connection to weight problems.  Americans don’t want to be told what to eat.  90% of Americans feel they are responsible for their own weight issues.  Many questions are raised about this issue and most go unanswered.  There is no easy answer to the huge and growing obesity problem in this nation.  Health professionals, nutritionists, and even government, does not have the collective will to come up with creative solutions to this problem.  The question remains, do we allow this problem to correct itself through “creative destruction,” or does the government step in with funded policies to influence our diets?  The author strives to motivate his readers by asking thought provoking questions, in the hopes that we will become affected enough to want to work toward change.  While his article is compelling, it will take great effort to do so.
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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/21/2006 10:28:18 PM   
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Quick comments:

The food pyramid promulgated by the FDA is a huge part of modern obesity:
http://www.fda.gov/diabetes/pyramid.gif

Here are my suggested alterations:
1. put the bottom row in with the items at the top: oils, fats, sweets, carbs, grains, starches. etc
2. replace bottom row with several servings of water: approx. 1/2 gallon or by weight
3. the bulk of one's diet should be veggies and fruits - just like the hunter gatherers that we are

Explanation: Why is the food pyramid as depicted by the FDA?
Because it's a cheap way to feed a lot of people in a fairly healthy way. The heavy carb diet that occurred when humanity began farming has simply overstayed it's welcome. It's time to go back to earlier ways. And right, it's not quite as cheap either.

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I don't think people really understand what's in fast food. They see cheese, they think it's cheese. Chicken, that it's really just chicken. Beef is actually just beef. And so on...

What people don't know but need to know is in the book "Fast Food Nation" by Eric Schlosser. Apparently there will be a new film about this book, the preview is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X99n9BveKns

What's for lunch? Fecal coliforms. Yummy.

Here's more at wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Food_Nation



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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/21/2006 10:57:40 PM   
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The Food Pyramid was redesigned in 2004:

http://www.mypyramid.org/ 

It is interactive now, to a degree, and makes much more sense.  You plug in your age, sex, and activity level, and it will tell you how much of each food group you should eat.  There is even a section for children.

The pyramid itself is no longer as you are accustomed to seeing it.  It is indeed a triangle, but it is now comprised of side-by-side columns, rather than rows.  The idea is to teach us what foods in each food group is healthy and which we should limit.  For example, take carbohydrates.  Whole grains are much better than processed Wonder Bread, and so on.

Interestingly, the site looks like it is being revamped, and they have removed some of the information that I had previously seen.  It used to show what each line represented, and then gave ideas, for example, of what types of vegetables are better than others, and so on.  Looks like that's all under construction at the moment, but I recommend checking on it from time to time.  Meanwhile, if you plug in the interactive part, it will still tell you how much of each food group you should be eating. 

I do agree with you.  The FDA decided that tomatoes were healthy for you, particularly cooked tomatoes, as the cooking process brought out their nutrients.  Immediately I heard people saying "Oh great - let's have PIZZA, it's healthy!!"  And yes - Cheeze Whiz is NOT cheese, folks!

Interesting video.  The movie could be interesting too.  Thanks for the links.  Here's another, although it doesn't tell you much more:  http://www.fastfoodnation-movie.com/synopsis.php


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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 5:00:58 AM   
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Cool. I didn't know about the redesign.

But damn, think of the info the FDA has proffered for decades. The FDA food pyramid (still on their site) cannot be good, that's a recommendation clearly meant for some other species. Fat people [n.b. not a disparagement, a description] load up on carbs and think it's supposed to be the bulk of their diet - and they are not misinformed according to authoritative sources.

Two more things:

The body's need for water is really not well discussed or understood by many - and it should be on the food pyramid. Drinking a lot of water throughout the day helps create a constant level of satiety. And a well-hydrated body doesn't retain water, it allows you to cleanse the body with it and comes out constantly as urine.

We haven't touched on exercise yet, and that's obviously critical too. One of my objections to McD's advertising techniques is that they show young, beautiful, trim and athletic people eating their foods in their advertising - sometimes they almost make their food seem like some kind of energy food intended for athletes with images of vigorous activities like a hard game of tennis. The sad reality is that most of their suggested menu offerings (entree, side, drink)would range from 75-100% of the average person's caloric intake for a single day. So generally, if you ate at McD's that's all you can eat for that day. One thing to do if you are in a fast food joint is to look at the people who are there with you. Do they seem healthy and look good to you? Well, you are one of them.

BTW and FWIW, I like the appearance of heavier people. What I have modified myself down to is that people should investigate their weight recommendations and get to at least the upper level of the range. That's a healthy approach that doesn't totally ignore that beautiful bodies come in all shapes and sizes. Of course, someone can be heavier still but it should probably be with the understanding that they may be damaging their health in the longer term. Just saying...

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 5:23:21 AM   
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Well, here's whats happening in the UK.

We have one celebrity chef (Jamie Oliver) - a very popular young man who has done a lot of TV shows on cooking and diet and all that sort of thing. He spent some time in a school for one of his programmes and from what he saw the kids being served (100% fast food basically) he kicked up such a stink that the government issued guidelines to schools to review school dinners and ensure that they were healthy.

Everyone agreed that this was a good thing, what with kids becoming obese and eating fast food at least once daily, and oftentimes more than once daily. The new menus were introduced, the pop/soda/chocolate vending machines were removed. Kids would now be given lot of fruit and veg, and all would be right with the world.

What happened next? The kids wouldnt eat it. Some went out of school at lunchtime, to the nearest MacVomit or chip shop and bought fast food even worse than what they had in school before. And the best bit was the mums in one town who were filmed, taking orders from kids inside the school for which particular type of crap they'd prefer to have brought to them and passed over the fence.

I seem to remember that advertising of tobacco products was banned for public health reasons. How is it that the advertising of fast food then continues? That this junk is harmful to health has been shown time and again, and even the companies responsible for shoving it down our gullets have acknowledged it - MacVomit now offer healthy foods - not because the market has changed, but so they can avoid lawsuits in the UK in future by saying, well it was the customer's choice, your honour, so we're not responsible.

Dont get me wrong, I eat it occasionally, probably once a month or so. But I eat it on the same basis as that joked about in the film Crocodile Dundee - it tastes like shit and its awful, but its better than nothing if there's nothing else about.
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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 5:55:45 AM   
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I've not been to the U.K. but I hear that the food is not good. By contrast, the Bay Area of Northern California is a culinary wonder: good restaurants, good food everywhere, Napa wines across the bridge and over the hill...sigh...

In my town I have access to nearby outdoor farmer's produce markets, all kinds of gorgeous fresh fruits and veggies. Nearby I have another excellent market with meat counter, fish monger, and a deli section (2-3 kinds of prosciutto!). The produce is truly amazing - great leafy greens, thin skinned tomatoes, white nectarines, and asian pears. And you can even eat in the store as they have benches set up near the flower shop. There's even an interior Starbuck's (ugh - why must they burn the coffee?). Beyond that I have the very excellent Trader Joe's and Costco besides.

My simplest point about fast food is this: it's not food. It is unfood, or non-food. Corporate Big Brother can save the alcohol and choco rations and even the Soylent Green, I won't consume them anyway.

People have to rethink their willingness to fill their bodies with garbage - of course, first they must know that it actually *IS* garbage. Modern life has a way of beating people down, but it's good if one can think of their own body as a secular temple to the physical beauty of the self with fierce guardians at the temple gates.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 5:58:02 AM   
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i would love fries, but nowadays, everywhere i go, they serve "lazy man's" potatoes...this means that more and more places are going to serving unpeeled potatoes...and that's something i cannot stand, so i rarely ever order fries anymore.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 6:10:56 AM   
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Well I seem to recall every mother around when I was growing up telling every kid that the "Fastfood" was in fact "Junk food".
The government hasn't failed us we have failed ourseles. It's been a known fact that it was junkfood and not healthy since the 50's and 60's problem is while so many were busy throwing out their parent's values they threw out the things the parents were right about as well.

So easy to blame the government for not teaching us, what our parents taught us and we forgot and in turn have forgotten to teach and enforce that our children learn AT HOME.

Lazy Parents failing to teach their kids that if you eat junkfood and sit on your butt and never get  exercise for anything but your thumb on a Game control you're going to get fat. Mom ran us ot of the house for a reason so we would get outside and get some exercise was a secondary reason of course, her peace and quiet always seemed to be the first priority, and tierd out physicly we were far less a problem to deal with.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 6:16:23 AM   
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. Mom ran us ot of the house for a reason so we would get outside and get some exercise was a secondary reason of course, her peace and quiet always seemed to be the first priority, and tierd out physicly we were far less a problem to deal with.


Oh yes, every mom's a domme alright! LOL
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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 6:28:25 AM   
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I don't see this as a thread about government failure per se. But there is this:

"Ad hawk; how Paul Newman and McDonald's get the U.S. government to push their products abroad"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1316/is_n7-8_v23/ai_11009291

The messages sent out by government on this topic are muddled, muted, and easily sidetracked by corporate interests. That's a given and also a best case scenario.

Sure, sure - parents should teach their kids better. But what if they don't? What then?

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 6:50:35 AM   
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What if they don't teach themall the other things they need to live healthy lives? Why obviously the Government shouldtake them and send them to a camp where they can be fed healthy food taught to exercise and everything else they need to live happy healthylives where they can be productive. LOL

WHY WHY WHY is it always the government needs to do something to protect us from ourselves because we simply cant do it.
Maybe if the government force the teaching of one basic thing ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES and that rule applies to every action you take and YOU are the one responsible for dealing with the consequences. Then most of these other things would sort themselves out.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 7:04:17 AM   
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Archer:

I apologize. I happen to actually care about the people of my community regardless of their origins, education, class, etc. I know it's a shortcoming of mine and I shall try to improve.

::snicker::

It's amazing how riled you get over the exchange of INFORMATION. Why is the job of government to advertise for McD's abroad and not to inform the public about some basic health matters?

Karma is someday going to hit you like a one ton weight in a cartoon.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 7:14:55 AM   
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While I agree that information about healthy anything or everything should be available I dont agree with the coercion that general purpose do gooders wish to inflict on others, naturally for the recipients own good. This has reached its height in the nasty SADISTIC messages printed on cigarette packets.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 7:20:40 AM   
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While I agree that information about healthy anything or everything should be available I dont agree with the coercion that general purpose do gooders wish to inflict on others, naturally for the recipients own good. This has reached its height in the nasty SADISTIC messages printed on cigarette packets.



Yes. Although for some reason "may cause impotence" and "smoking while pregnant harms your baby" dont worry me....in any case I'm putting a lawsuit together to sue the government medical officer. I bought those cigarettes because it falsely claimed on the packet that they would kill me. I smoked the lot and I'm still alive. I must have a claim?

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 7:21:00 AM   
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Far less riled than you are reading into my messages. Remember we all read in the projected mood we think they are in.

The emphasis is frustration with the idea not anger.

I care but at the same time I know that they, those parents are responsible for what their kids learn, and thosekids at some point become responsible for their own actions and their consequences. We've tried the government teaching healthy eating as opposed to parents teaching it for how many years now and the results are predictably miserable. People abdicating thier responsibilities to the government is always going to be predictably miserable in results. Healthy Eating, Social Security, Healthcare, the list goes on and on. The government does nothing well but there are a few things they do better than private enterprize and thus it is a nessisary evil.

and Karma and I are just fine, individually I am a very careing and helpfull person I simply don't choose to seperate myself from giving by the government if possible. The added waste that occures anytime you make government responsible for charity makes even the least efficient charity org look efficient at delivery of actual service.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 8:02:54 AM   
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quote:

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i would love fries, but nowadays, everywhere i go, they serve "lazy man's" potatoes...this means that more and more places are going to serving unpeeled potatoes...and that's something i cannot stand, so i rarely ever order fries anymore.


Thank you michael!!! I absolutely HATE unpeeled fries!! We went to Texas Road house and they had "homestyle" mashed potatoes on the menu... I asked if they were peeled? Well, of course not! I told the waiter that at my "home" we peel the potatoes... everyone I know peels the potatoes at home! Where do they get off calling them "Homestyle"???
 
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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 8:04:06 AM   
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Well, this wasn't so much about government interference as it was about becoming aware that the fast food markets are catering to the sheeple who are spending money on them and becoming unhealthy as a result.

To slay everyone with swords of blame does not solve the problem, does it?  People will do what is convenient, and that is the problem.  Take for example, a friend of mine, a single mom with a teenager (girl) and an adolescent (boy).  Every morning she'd get up for work, scramble to get ready while coercing the kids out of bed, nagging while they protested until finally everyone is out the door, piles into the car, and they rush to the local drive-through for pancakes, a breakfast "sandwich", a fried potato concoction, etc., eating rapidly in the car as she approaches their school.

At the end of the day, she's exhausted, and swings by the same drive through for an easy dinner.

This is reality, folks.  Now, this never occurred in my home.  Mind you there were lots of other issues in my home (lol) but we all got up when we were supposed to or there was hell to pay, and we all ate a solid breakfast at the breakfast table, and we all got on our bikes and rode to school.  Times are different.  When I asked my friend, what if there are consequences for sleeping in, and what if everyone had a job to do in the morning so that her exit went more efficiently?  She said "You obviously don't have kids."

OK.  True, I don't.  But she has an obeses daughter and a son with ADHD and OCD, who takes at least 3 pills a day for his issues.  Is filling them both with sugar and fat first thing in the morning the best option?  Yet, her life is chaotic.  She is managing a lot on her own.  And it's convenient.

So then...what's the solution?

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 8:11:54 AM   
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I have two kids and we are often late, however healthy food is a high priority in my house. We always have yogurt, which requires only a spoon to be eaten in the car. We also have put cereal (oat based, no refined suagr) in a ziplock bag to be munched on in the car. I always have apples and pears and grapes, easily consumed as well, for the kids to eat. It takes less time to grab a few items from the kitchen than it would to drive through the McDOnalds, which is right next to the school, but we NEVER go there. After watching Supersize me the only fast food I will buy is GOod TImes, because it is all natural, and so yumm! ADHD is often a poor diet issue, too much refined sugar and corn syrup, but the kids get medicated anyway. I hope your friend get some education soon. Perhaps you could offer to do her grocery shopping for he once in a while to assure her it is possible to get healthy foods at a reasonable price?

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 8:16:52 AM   
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And as for the fries, well, there is no nutrition in a potatoe, it's just a food storage aka sugar. So a regular fry is deep fried sugar. However there are some actual vitamins in the skin, and since everyone is getting interested in being healthier, and offering healthier choices to an ever increasing population of health concious people, companies are leaving the skin on to aid in some marginal health benefit.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 9:53:26 AM   
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I eat fast food less than one time in 6 or 7 months, not even that, and yes I am still fat, you don't need to eat fast food to be fat, you can eathome cooked food or improper home cooked foods, or to much of home cooked foods and  not exorcise and be fat. Case in point when I was in the group home we never ate fast food, I could count on 3 fingers the times we might of eaten out, we didn't get to do shit like that. I went into the group home a size 14 and I came out a size 22 and 330 pounds. Why? Because I ate 4 helpings of my own food then had some of every one elses because I felt bad and I didn't want them to get privilage spanked essentially so I ate theres to keep them out of trouble. It wasn't fattening food it wasn't junk but 6 helpings and no exercise does pack on the pounds. The group home didn't have any means to exercise, they didn't allow tv use if you were not on level, that included  excercise movies, They didn't allow you to leave the property, so that ment no walks about the block no jogging, you couldn't go outside with out permission if you didn't have level privilages and they found stupid ways like charging you with self abuse for sucking your thumb because you got a blister on your mouth from the thumb in question,. And I didn't think or know that you could exercise in your own room,  And I sure didn't think of the health consequents of eating 2 helpings of my food and 4 of someone elses, and I sure didn't think I'd get fat. Yeah so I got very fat and out of shape eating nothing but usualy healthy foods, I just ate 7 helpings at a time.
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I recently summarized an article on pandemic obesity and how fast food plays a part.  A post in another thread reminded me of it and I thought I'd share it here.  How many of you eat fast food, and how often?

It was amazing to learn the incredible influence advertisers have over the American diet.  It always seemed obvious that marketing and advertising have influences over consumers, but to actually see the correlation of advertising dollars spent on a set of fast food chains and those same chains rendering top sales was quite interesting.

It was also fascinating, yet disconcerting, to learn that there is one fast food restaurant for every 1,000 people.  That is incredible!  The author joked that there may be more fast food establishments than churches, but he may be right!  It seems as though advertisers are nudging us along to become more and more obese, more and more unhealthy, all in the name of money.  And while capitalism should flourish in this country, there seems something very wrong with that picture.


Here is the summary:

          Pandemic Obesity, by James E. Tillotson, PhD, MBA, presents a compelling urge for his readers to become aware of our nation’s relationship with fast food chains, and the advertising which stands behind it.  There are currently more overweight than underweight people in this country.  While the 1990s passed the Nutrition Labeling and Education Act to set food label standards, more people eat fast food now, which does not require any labeling standards at all.  Consumers are not getting the information they need to make informed choices regarding fast food.  Advertising Age published a summary of the Top 20 Megabrands in 2002, ranking US dollars spent on advertising.  12% of those brands were food brands and over a third of those were fast foods, drink, bread and snack products.  These food products add to the high calorie diets eaten by Americans already suffering from obesity.  What’s more, advertisers can use any means they can get past the FTC in order to reach consumers. 

          The author’s own research showed, to no surprise, that 6 of the leading fast food chains were linked to the top advertising dollars spent on fast food megabrands.  These 6 fast food chains spend $1.68 billion in advertising a year, and reap $50 billion a year in sales.  To demonstrate effectiveness in their advertising, a 2003 study showed that of the top 20 most remembered television commercials, 8 of them were for fast food chains.  What influence advertising has on this country’s diet!  Lack of required nutritional labeling for such a highly consumed product does nothing to help consumers understand what they are eating.  74% of meals dined out are in fast food chains.  There is 1 fast food outlet for every 1,000 Americans!  This has doubled since 1980.  Keeping in mind the advertisers influence on our diet, the convenience and taste of this food, and the availability to purchase this food at nearly every hour of the day, these chains are catering to what consumers want.  Advertisers have at their hands, big dollars to bring in big names to represent their corporate customers.  How can we fight back?  Consumers, after all, are choosing to eat this food, even though they are fast becoming aware of their connection to weight problems.  Americans don’t want to be told what to eat.  90% of Americans feel they are responsible for their own weight issues.  Many questions are raised about this issue and most go unanswered.  There is no easy answer to the huge and growing obesity problem in this nation.  Health professionals, nutritionists, and even government, does not have the collective will to come up with creative solutions to this problem.  The question remains, do we allow this problem to correct itself through “creative destruction,” or does the government step in with funded policies to influence our diets?  The author strives to motivate his readers by asking thought provoking questions, in the hopes that we will become affected enough to want to work toward change.  While his article is compelling, it will take great effort to do so.


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