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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 10:10:56 AM

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I was just in the cafeteria at the kindergarten to 5th grade school, their lunches are not healthy nor completely balanced, taco's tator tots and milk woohoo. Another insteance was tuna fish, much better than the taco though, and in my group home they served icecream on wednesday if you had the level privilage to be in the group that got icecream lol.

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Well, here's whats happening in the UK.

We have one celebrity chef (Jamie Oliver) - a very popular young man who has done a lot of TV shows on cooking and diet and all that sort of thing. He spent some time in a school for one of his programmes and from what he saw the kids being served (100% fast food basically) he kicked up such a stink that the government issued guidelines to schools to review school dinners and ensure that they were healthy.

Everyone agreed that this was a good thing, what with kids becoming obese and eating fast food at least once daily, and oftentimes more than once daily. The new menus were introduced, the pop/soda/chocolate vending machines were removed. Kids would now be given lot of fruit and veg, and all would be right with the world.

What happened next? The kids wouldnt eat it. Some went out of school at lunchtime, to the nearest MacVomit or chip shop and bought fast food even worse than what they had in school before. And the best bit was the mums in one town who were filmed, taking orders from kids inside the school for which particular type of crap they'd prefer to have brought to them and passed over the fence.

I seem to remember that advertising of tobacco products was banned for public health reasons. How is it that the advertising of fast food then continues? That this junk is harmful to health has been shown time and again, and even the companies responsible for shoving it down our gullets have acknowledged it - MacVomit now offer healthy foods - not because the market has changed, but so they can avoid lawsuits in the UK in future by saying, well it was the customer's choice, your honour, so we're not responsible.

Dont get me wrong, I eat it occasionally, probably once a month or so. But I eat it on the same basis as that joked about in the film Crocodile Dundee - it tastes like shit and its awful, but its better than nothing if there's nothing else about.
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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 10:25:06 AM

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i would love fries, but nowadays, everywhere i go, they serve "lazy man's" potatoes...this means that more and more places are going to serving unpeeled potatoes...and that's something i cannot stand, so i rarely ever order fries anymore.

Thank you michael!!! I absolutely HATE unpeeled fries!! We went to Texas Road house and they had "homestyle" mashed potatoes on the menu... I asked if they were peeled? Well, of course not! I told the waiter that at my "home" we peel the potatoes... everyone I know peels the potatoes at home! Where do they get off calling them "Homestyle"???

Jewel

PS... sorry for the hi-jack

i had once created a thread specifically for this subject, but it's long gone. i call them "Lazy Man's Potaotes" since it takes a lazy person to cook unpeeled potatoes. i even unpeel my bpotatoes before i bake them (i wrap them up in foil after peeling them and cook them that way)

i can't stand the peels and refuse to eat them.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 11:09:17 AM

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Even McDonald's "healthy foods" aint so healthy, their salads have more sugar and stuff than a hamburger, and their yogurt parfiets are full of sugar too. And

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Well, here's whats happening in the UK.

We have one celebrity chef (Jamie Oliver) - a very popular young man who has done a lot of TV shows on cooking and diet and all that sort of thing. He spent some time in a school for one of his programmes and from what he saw the kids being served (100% fast food basically) he kicked up such a stink that the government issued guidelines to schools to review school dinners and ensure that they were healthy.

Everyone agreed that this was a good thing, what with kids becoming obese and eating fast food at least once daily, and oftentimes more than once daily. The new menus were introduced, the pop/soda/chocolate vending machines were removed. Kids would now be given lot of fruit and veg, and all would be right with the world.

What happened next? The kids wouldnt eat it. Some went out of school at lunchtime, to the nearest MacVomit or chip shop and bought fast food even worse than what they had in school before. And the best bit was the mums in one town who were filmed, taking orders from kids inside the school for which particular type of crap they'd prefer to have brought to them and passed over the fence.

I seem to remember that advertising of tobacco products was banned for public health reasons. How is it that the advertising of fast food then continues? That this junk is harmful to health has been shown time and again, and even the companies responsible for shoving it down our gullets have acknowledged it - MacVomit now offer healthy foods - not because the market has changed, but so they can avoid lawsuits in the UK in future by saying, well it was the customer's choice, your honour, so we're not responsible.

Dont get me wrong, I eat it occasionally, probably once a month or so. But I eat it on the same basis as that joked about in the film Crocodile Dundee - it tastes like shit and its awful, but its better than nothing if there's nothing else about.
E

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 11:14:20 AM

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Please, this has nothing to do with advertising.

The simple facts? If I go to the market a prepare an ultra healthy dinner complete with greens, berries, fresh meats ect ect. I wind up paying around lets say 10 dollars in groceries at minimum.

I go to Burger king and I want dinner, you now how much I spend? 3 bucks.And thats for an amount of food that will fill me up and keep me full.

Thats the simple truth really. Anything healthy cant compete with fast food in our wallets.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 11:29:06 AM

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I wind up paying around lets say 10 dollars in groceries at minimum...
I go to Burger king and I want dinner, you now how much I spend? 3 bucks...

Is there even one meal at Burger King available for as little as $3? Is that child's meal or what? It seems to me the average meal at such places is $4-5 a person. Oftentimes, people buy extra items also, beyond just the plain meal itself.

Further, it doesn't cost that much to prepare your own foods and to eat a healthy portion. You just have to be willing to do it. I make my own food constantly. At home I can easily eat quite well for between $5-10 a day on average.

Without even considering the tip, let's say that a restaurant makes a meal that contains 3 eggs, 3 strips of bacon, hash browns, 3 pancakes and syrup. To make that at home might cost $2-3 but the restaurant will surely charge $5-7 or even more. BTW, that's a ghastly amount of food but I just wanted to make a point about the cost factor.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 11:57:48 AM

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A sort of hijack:

1. The healthiest part of the potato is the skin, unless you are starving for simple sugars. The skin holds most of the nutrients.

2. Wrapping potatoes in foil and putting them in an oven is not baking them. You are steaming the potato in its own moisture. A real baked potato is baked in an oven (or a banked fire), in its skin, and is a delicious thing. Foil on potatoes is a heresy.

3. In fact, generally because of an excess of fat and sugar, the "fast food" you love to hate tastes better than about 80% of the "healthy food" out there. It isn't just that people are stupid, sheeplike, busy, inattentive etc. as so many posters love to post. The competition tastes better.

And pound for pound, unhealthy simple sugars and carbohydrates are cheaper than healthy protein-based meals. You can teach people to make smarter choices, but you would really do better making healthy food cheaper and better tasting.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 12:05:58 PM

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whoever said i wanted (or needed) to eat healthy, Sir? i like my potatoes without skins because the skins tastes like dirt, so i still refuse to eat the skins. (many people in my life have hit me with this "dead" argument and could never change my view on it)

as for the way i "bake" potatoes...it tastes better that way and i avoid burned fingers when they are done by not having to contend with peeling a steaming hot potato.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 12:17:48 PM

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Mom ran us ot of the house for a reason so we would get outside and get some exercise was a secondary reason of course, her peace and quiet always seemed to be the first priority, and tierd out physicly we were far less a problem to deal with.

Hello A/all,

I had issues with my parents. Not bad issues like some of the horror stories I have had students tell me, but issues nonetheless. So I was running the roads from sun-up until bedtime and they seldom saw me.

My ex-wife did everything she could to make sure our kids never left the TV or the computer. One of my kids generally ignored her and was out and away and doing things most of her childhood. The other one is starting to try to unlearn his couch potato ways. That should read "The other one has discovered a new hobby, girls."

Im not sure what it all means, but there you go.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 12:30:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kashan
It takes less time to grab a few items from the kitchen than it would to drive through the McDOnalds, which is right next to the school, but we NEVER go there.

It is also far less expensive to eat healthy than it is to not eat healthy.

I cook low carb, low fat, and am slowly editting the dead animal products out of my life. Which is not to say I dont enjoy a nice steak once in a while. I simply want to cut down my consumption of them for health reasons.

I also graze and dont insist on the breakfast / lunch / dinner paradigm. A handful of nuts when Im hungry will tide me over for hours.

My ex-wife once took me to the conciliator because according to her I was not feeding the kids.

I took the "care package" she sent with them so they would have something to eat to this meeting. This contained fruit loops, pop-tarts, fruit chews, and a whole plethora of sugar cleverly packaged to appeal to young kids. I laid it out on his desk rather slowly, hiding my evil smirk, as my ex-wife turned bright red.

Then I explained to the counselor that the weekend she sent this I had fed the kids steak, carrots, brown rice, spinach salad, etc.

He looked at her like she was insane. This happened fairly frequently in the 5 or 6 times she dragged me in to those meetings
because she got her knickers in a twist about something she thought I was doing.

There are times in my life where it is inconvenient and I have to get fast food. On the other hand, I moved 5 minutes from work (from 1.5 hours away) in order to free up time in my life. I would suggest to somebody who doesnt have time to sit down and view their life from outside the box. Usually, there is a solution which a modicum of self-discipline and intelligence will fix.

Think outside the box.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 12:33:53 PM

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I wind up paying around lets say 10 dollars in groceries at minimum...
I go to Burger king and I want dinner, you now how much I spend? 3 bucks...

Is there even one meal at Burger King available for as little as $3? Is that child's meal or what? It seems to me the average meal at such places is $4-5 a person. Oftentimes, people buy extra items also, beyond just the plain meal itself.

Further, it doesn't cost that much to prepare your own foods and to eat a healthy portion. You just have to be willing to do it. I make my own food constantly. At home I can easily eat quite well for between $5-10 a day on average.

Without even considering the tip, let's say that a restaurant makes a meal that contains 3 eggs, 3 strips of bacon, hash browns, 3 pancakes and syrup. To make that at home might cost $2-3 but the restaurant will surely charge $5-7 or even more. BTW, that's a ghastly amount of food but I just wanted to make a point about the cost factor.

Your thinking of meals, you forget that all these places have value menus now, at burger king I can get a whopper Jr for a buck, for that value if I have a 5 dollar bill in my pocket I definitly am capable of getting alot more food at a burger king then I would if I went to the supermarket with the same amount of money.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 12:40:01 PM

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And you know what? lets take it a bit further, lets say I have only 5 bucks, I can easily get two whopper Jrs, and some fries for about 3 bucks, thne i just move up the street to the local 7-11 and gte a huge ass soda from the fountian for less than a buck, and a huge gigangtic monstrosity of soda for a buck 25. Thats still below my 5 dollar limit and i'm fed for quite a while.

Dont get me wrong, I ussualy do keep myself on a healthy protien rich diet of meats, greens and berries (until this damn e-coli thing I used to eat tons of spinach) but you cant argue over which kind of food is cheaper than the other.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 1:08:13 PM

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I can and will argue that eating healthy can be MUCH less expensive than fast food!!!

I raised two children at an income level way way under the US poverty level and they always had fresh fruits and vegetables. Never did I buy soda or the evil crap called Koolaide. My kids always had fresh fruit juice in the fridge. There were no chips, or instant crapola meals. Candy and snack food was a rare treat. I usually prefered to bake sweets because then I knew exactly what went into them and could cut the sugar content down. Anyone can eat healthy on a budget, it just involves a little planning and list making for the trip to the grocery store.

I eat fast food once, maybe twice a year. If I need something quick I prefer to head to the local grocery store and grab a pre-made salad for $2.99 or some fruit. I like feeling good and having energy to get thru my day. Fast food is empty calories that leaves me feeling sluggish and icky.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 2:33:12 PM

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How do you put nutritional info on a hamburger or fries? Just ask for it. Fast food places have pamphlets
with the info.

Just because you see someone morbidly obese you can't make the assumption automatically that they
aren't eating healthy.If you consume more calories than you burn you'll gain weight whether you eat fast food
or healthy food.

I can't exercise because of my disability. I just went through my 4th knee surgery last month and I'm lucky I can walk around my apartment let alone the block and I haven't been able to run for years.First knee surgery was 1974 ans all were on the same knee.

I'm also hungry most of the time. When I try to cut back on calories I get ravenously hungry. I could eat 3lbs of a mixed salad and still be hungry [without dressing].

So don't be judgemental until you've walk a mile in our shoes. If your not morbidly obese you can't enven understand what a lot of us go through.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 3:12:08 PM

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...oooh and here was me thinking this was a thread about liberal arts graduates career prospects.........

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 3:18:33 PM

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LaTigresse: I raised two children at an income level way way under the US poverty level and they always had fresh fruits and vegetables. Never did I buy soda or the evil crap called Koolaide. My kids always had fresh fruit juice in the fridge. There were no chips, or instant crapola meals. Candy and snack food was a rare treat. I usually prefered to bake sweets because then I knew exactly what went into them and could cut the sugar content down. Anyone can eat healthy on a budget, it just involves a little planning and list making for the trip to the grocery store.

I agree with you and applaud your mothering skills, BUT (you knew there would be a "but", didn't you?) Did you ever talk to your kids about what they ate when you weren't around? For example...did they trade food at school at lunch? Did they (as they got a bit older) use their pocket money for food?

Many years ago I was the junior intern with a government agency that is charged with establishing healthy eating guidelines (and sometimes standards) for foods kids eat. A huge debate was raging at the time over the fat content of peanut butter (never mind the issue of hydrogenation). In the wisdom of the scientists, dieticians, physicians and food gurus of the day, a minimum level of fat was established.

Now this agency was somewhat visionary, and we had a day-care center where many of our employees' children could attend, as well as children of employees of about 5 other agencies nearby. And we received a memo from an angry parent/food scientist that in our own daycare center, stocked with the healthiest peanut butter around (Per our new guidelines) the staff was making PB sandwiches and adding UNHEALTHY margarine to the sandwich. I was dispatched to investigate.

ME: [interrogating the lunchroom lady for the day care]: "Mrs. Jones, why are you spreading 1/2 of the sandwich with margarine and the other 1/2 with peanut butter?

MrsJ: "Cause when I don't add the margarine to the sandwiches, the children won't eats them."

I wrote a memo suggesting that the average 5 year old might have more influence over his diet (and arguably more intelligence) than our expert panel. I stopped working for the government shortly thereafter.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 4:00:28 PM

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since last year i've been moving to eat all organic natural foods..and trying to eat healthier things..maybe go raw, but who knows. i've so far taken out fast food and microwaved foods out of my diet. the trick is weaning things...i don't drink soda anymore and i started off by weaning myself off of sodas by using natural sodas like hansen..i think obsiety and proper eating and workout is a lifelong process you must always consisouly do and work towards.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 5:32:10 PM

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How about Subway? Anyone find them helpful in eating a bit healthier?

I'm the first to admit, I love junk food. Whopper with cheese, mayo, and bacon. Deep dish cheese lovers pizza. Fried chicken. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

But, it appears my body is rebelling against all this grease and fat; the last couple of weeks, I've had a couple of bouts with diarreha (sp?) after chowing down on some crappy food. A sign, me thinks.....

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 6:05:50 PM

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I've been cooking for years and find that eating out is at least twice as expensive as cooking at home.

Lentil soup, I pound lentils 50 cents, two cans tomatos with basil, garlic and herbs, about $2-enough water for the lentils to cook in and enough soup for 6 large bowls for about $2.50. I just got 3 pounds of frozen chicken breasts for $6.99 and there was about 8 in the pack. One piece of chicken, veggie, bread if you want. Cost-less than $2 a serving.

I've found that I can feed myself and the unmentionable for less than $4 as a rule eating at home.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 6:15:39 PM

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I can and will argue that eating healthy can be MUCH less expensive than fast food!!!

I entirely agree. I just have to think that RumTiger represents the poorly food-educated person that is an assumption of this topic. It's possible that he can eat at a fast food joint for the same price as eating at home preparing his own meals, but the value and nutrition just isn't there so I just can't see it as comparable.

At Costco I can get 6 heads of romaine for $2.50 or so. That's salad for almost all week long. I can add a homemade dressing to that lettuce and all kinds of other fixings besides, including: sliced meats, eggs, exotic vegetables, mushrooms, fruit, etc. - and it's just not that expensive to make. I eat healthily and it's delicious. Soups are pretty much the same deal. And many of these types of things are great to make or prep on the weekend - they fill one's home with delicious food smells and are then ready to go all week long. You can use a slow cooker for soups or vegetable chili, broil various meats, maybe even barbecue some tri-tip and portabellos. Food all week long after that.

And that's also better food than anyone can make for you. You control the preparations, the portions, your caloric intake, your number of meals, etc.

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RE: Want some fries with that? - 9/22/2006 7:22:29 PM

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I've not been to the U.K. but I hear that the food is not good. By contrast, the Bay Area of Northern California is a culinary wonder: good restaurants, good food everywhere, Napa wines across the bridge and over the hill...sigh...

In my town I have access to nearby outdoor farmer's produce markets, all kinds of gorgeous fresh fruits and veggies. Nearby I have another excellent market with meat counter, fish monger, and a deli section (2-3 kinds of prosciutto!). The produce is truly amazing - great leafy greens, thin skinned tomatoes, white nectarines, and asian pears. And you can even eat in the store as they have benches set up near the flower shop. There's even an interior Starbuck's (ugh - why must they burn the coffee?). Beyond that I have the very excellent Trader Joe's and Costco besides.

My simplest point about fast food is this: it's not food. It is unfood, or non-food. Corporate Big Brother can save the alcohol and choco rations and even the Soylent Green, I won't consume them anyway.

People have to rethink their willingness to fill their bodies with garbage - of course, first they must know that it actually *IS* garbage. Modern life has a way of beating people down, but it's good if one can think of their own body as a secular temple to the physical beauty of the self with fierce guardians at the temple gates.

Chaingang, we have all that here too plus Fresh Peaches and fresh fish right off the boat. I live about 6 miles from the ocean and Murrell's Inlet where all the fishing boats and shrimp boats come in in the afternoons.

I don't eat any of that Mc Donald's stuff.
I do get a couple of burgers from Wendy's on occaision but it's only monthly or bi-monthly.
A guy here told me that S. Carolina grows more peaches than Georgia.

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