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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 9:44:15 AM   
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My problem lied it the fact that she stated it as the way it was stated to her and the way it was said was if that one way was the only way... There is no one way.

Magik's slave


Then I am having a problem reconciling how you think the first dominant offers degradation and the second offers respect.  Both dominants delivered their opinion as if there was one true way, but in the second he had to pass negative judgments on those who didn't agree with his way of doing things by calling them fakes and players.  If the one true way attitude is the issue then how can you have a negative opinion of one and not the other? 

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Ok now it seems as if you are just looking for foult with my post.. I adress one and you find another to take its place. I really dont mean disrepect but it is kinda upsetting and I dont see how it is constructive to the OP or eather of us. The truth is you have every right to disagree with my opinion just as I have every right to state my opnion as is my right given to me by my Master and this site. However you seem to keep putting on me that I was stateing some great truth when the fact is I made no such claim. I stated a few times and quiet clearly that these were my opnions and there for I did and said nothing wrong...

please if you or yours have any real problems with how I have posted I ask you to take it to my Master as it is his wish to have any greavensies handled through him directly and not be brought to me his profile and mailbox can be found under the name MagikSwitch right here on collarme... I ment no offence and was just stateing my opinion as I beleave I am aloud to do under TOS her at collar me.. if i have indeed done something wrong or offended I apologise and beg you go to my Master with the problem and he shall correct it...

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< Message edited by MagiksSlave -- 9/24/2006 9:48:31 AM >


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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 9:47:36 AM   
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As many have said, no one true way.

Many dominants have rules and preferences for how certain things are done.  My way will not be the same as anothers.  My way in one situation will also not be the same in another.  If I were you I would be careful of anyone proclaiming a "my way is the right way and everyone else's is wrong, they're fakes" attitude. 

The actions alone and the beliefs alone are nothing more than personal preference.  The only part of your post that had me life an eyebrow was not their preferences for doing so but the declarations on both parts that to do anything otherwise meant others were lesser in some way.  Besides, it's a lot more dominant to train a submissive to your preferences regardless of what some may seem as the "right way" than to cowtow to popularity contests and conform.

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 10:07:56 AM   
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Ok now it seems as if you are just looking for foult with my post.. I adress one and you find another to take its place. I really dont mean disrepect but it is kinda upsetting and I dont see how it is constructive to the OP or eather of us. The truth is you have every right to disagree with my opinion just as I have every right to state my opnion as is my right given to me by my Master and this site. However you seem to keep putting on me that I was stateing some great truth when the fact is I made no such claim. I stated a few times and quiet clearly that these were my opnions and there for I did and said nothing wrong...

please if you or yours have any real problems with how I have posted I ask you to take it to my Master as it is his wish to have any greavensies handled through him directly and not be brought to me his profile and mailbox can be found under the name MagikSwitch right here on collarme... I ment no offence and was just stateing my opinion as I beleave I am aloud to do under TOS her at collar me.. if i have indeed done something wrong or offended I apologise and beg you go to my Master with the problem and he shall correct it...

Magik's slave


SO.. in otherwards.. you are unable to claify your opinion that has apparent inconsistencies.... so you hid behind Master.

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 10:30:14 AM   
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No... my opinion is just that my opinion there were no inconsitensied and im not hideing behind my Master simply doing as he my Master has told me to do which is if there is a problem to have the person who has the problem contact him.. I dont really know who you are to question that. Now im unsure what your issue is with me and seeing as I was not nasty to you i would apreaciate the same consideration. I answered the op with how I felt you dont agree fine thats great but right now Im not feeling so nice anymore so im simply going to ask that you BACK THE FUCK OFF

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< Message edited by MagiksSlave -- 9/24/2006 10:31:11 AM >


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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 11:53:56 AM   
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This is developing into conflict.
 
MsS, may I suggest that you block the posts of those people that you feel behave in an unpleasant manner towards you for a period of say one month?
 
The block button is on the lower right of their posts.

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 12:09:30 PM   
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Rule Sir thank you for the suggestion, but that will be up to Master to deside in the end... I relise I blew up a bit and that if nothing els will displease Master, so i feel poorly that even though at the begining I feel i did nothing wrong I let them get me into a state where I did do something wrong.

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 6:48:34 PM   
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I do not feel those who like to do the things I object to are of lessor value or below me.  It is just not for me.  I have read some material written by both Dom's and sub's about their experiences and some of them have made me ache so much to have that kind of relationship.  In all of those cases the Dom also showed the sub respect to herself, and was comitted to her. 

I knew my case was not going to be like that so finally I did tell that Dom off and refuse to have anymore to do with him.  I had been willing to give up a lot or so I felt. To  move to where he lived, leaving all behind, have my own seperate place by his wishes, I joined the sites he picked so I could improve myself for him, paid for them myself. I started to get tired of it being a one sided giving and mainly financial on my part.  I was on a very limited budget at that time.  It is not so bad now.   

I know what I want and what I am willing to give, to compromise with.  I will just keep looking till I find him or do without.  I am worth it to him and myself.  I know my value as a woman and a sub.  This is not arrogance just finally a willingness to accept myself for who and what I am and be proud of it.

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 8:17:22 PM   
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Dear patina, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
As to your question about protocols as far as dominants go, saying you need to stand off side, behind him, not speak unless spoken to, Sir in public and Master in private, was something that is very familiar to me, as this is practiced a lot within the Gay Leather Community and those who practiced a more military vein of the Gay Leather Community.  Such practices goes back to history, when the Master/Warrior wished to have his view unobstructed as to act on any attack on his person and or those he guarded.  Most times his slave was the one guarding his back and blind side, as well as staying away from his sword swing and or technique.  As far as not to speak unless spoken to first, goes back to familiar protocol, where it was considered polite and respectful to the Master, to acknowledge the Master first and ask permission to address his/her slave.  This allowed the Master to formally introduce the slave to those greeting.  Much like a gentleman introducing the lady on his arm.  As far as Sir in public, that is common acceptable polite/civil behavior vanilla and or BDSM settings.  Master in private, just enhances his relationship/title with you.
 
If you were attending the Master/slave conference in Washington, DC;  with many presenters present, you would have seen more slaves then not, behind their Master/Mistress, staying quiet until spoken to and or acknowledged.  You would have heard more Sirs and Ma'ams exchanged by Masters, Mistresses and or slaves; owned and unowned.
 
As far as 'crawling' goes--I would wager it would be dangerous to have you go down on the floor, with all the gross things floors hold as people walk about it, having been outside and stepped into or onto a variety of things, to include critter droppings/deposits.  In a crowded bar, I would wager that would be dangerous as people step back may step on your hands, trip over you and the like.  However, if it was an area where its private or plenty of space, I could see it done--just because he can have you do it and because you're willing to do it.
 
In my mind's eye--it really is circumstances governing the degree of protocol used.  Not those who wish to use high/formal protocol, informal/casual protocol and or none at all.  It seems safe to say, that each dominant sets the protocols they wish to practice as individuals and where protocols are practice seems more within the Gay Leather Community and Lesbian Community but, Heterosexual community is seeing merits of the use of protocols.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 11:34:19 PM   
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Short the crawling, those protocols are fairly common, though not universal. half step behind and to my left is what I require with my slave and we are working out how to deal with the times when my slave and my boi are both in attendance. Who will get doors, where the boi will stand in relation to myself and the slave, etc. I don't require the kneeling very often as it's hard on knees for my slave and my boi as well. I require my slave to stop what she is doing and stand to acknowledge my entering a room, I require myself to acknoledge her display. (simply a reinforcement fo priorities for both of us).

But as to any universal protocols fairly rare, generally the ones that are universal tend to be along the lines of not invading someone's personal space, not making contact with someone or their property, human or not, without permission. Beyond that it's generally a matter of what works for the people involved. 

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 11:44:28 PM   
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As has been well said by many training is that of the One who you will be with and will train you how he wants you to be trained.  However I wanted to make a quick suggestion that there are many resources where you can educate yourself on BDSM and all its quirks.  There are many books, suggestions made in other threads on cm as well as internet pages.

There is differing opinions on the validity of the internet pages however I am a firm believer in reading much and taking from it what you can.  I think its a great place to begin the journey, not the end.

Reading and learning will also help to occupy you until you find the Dominant you seek.

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RE: confused - 9/24/2006 11:57:41 PM   
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"Im not feeling so nice anymore so im simply going to ask that you BACK THE FUCK OFF"

ROFL! now that's not very sub-like behaviour Magicks ;) go girl!


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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 4:14:38 AM   
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As has been well said by many training is that of the One who you will be with and will train you how he wants you to be trained.  However I wanted to make a quick suggestion that there are many resources where you can educate yourself on BDSM and all its quirks.  There are many books, suggestions made in other threads on cm as well as internet pages.

There is differing opinions on the validity of the internet pages however I am a firm believer in reading much and taking from it what you can.  I think its a great place to begin the journey, not the end.

Reading and learning will also help to occupy you until you find the Dominant you seek.

Owned


My suggestion to every one new on the journey is to ask as many questions as you feel you need to... get answers from as many sources and indivduals as possible... at the end of it... answer the question yourself.

and finally.... repeat the process again and again and again.    What you see today you not tomorrow and vice vrs.  Expect to evolve and grow... but that will only occur if you make the efforts to do so.

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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 1:39:15 PM   
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to each their own ... It seems to me you already know what it is you are willing to submitt to and what you arent.. what it comes down too is it doesnt really so much matter what others say is real what others think the true way is, it is more about finding your true way what makes this real for you and finding a Dom that also holds similar views!!!

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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 2:33:21 PM   
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Anyone who tells you there's only one way to have a BDSM relationship is full of it. Like any other relationship, what people want out of a BDSM partner is infinite in variety. It's fine to say "this is the only way I do it", but the claim that anyone who does it differently is a "fake" is just arrant nonsense.

It's easy, as a sub, to want to believe what a dom tells you simply because of the desire to submit. It's important to watch out for people who make statements like this, because while being a dom is certainly about control, there's a difference between being in control (either in reality or fantasy) and being a control freak. The latter type can really screw up a vulnerable sub -- and when you submit, by definition you make yourself very vulnerable.

It sounds to me like the original poster is fairly inexperienced. I'd strongly recommend that anyone with an interest in BDSM make an effort to educate him/herself about the lifestyle (or whatever you want to call it) and its safe practices before getting involved in any BDSM relationship. That way you can make an informed decision about what you want and what you're comfortable with.

Googling "BDSM resources" will find you a wealth of information on the subject, but the BDSM Resource Center is as good a place as any to start, and this article is as good a place as any to start.

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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 5:33:08 PM   
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Dear patina, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
There can be a more light hearted outlook on staying behind a dominant.
 
One can always have the opportunity to admire the dominant from behind.
 
Another, a safe distance away from those whips, canes and pinching fingers and or hands spanking your bottom.
 
Respectfully submitted with a tad of wit,
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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 5:53:54 PM   
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bishop always walks behind Me and to the left she said it was to fend off oncoming cars...
I think LadyHugs has the real reason she does it...LOL

I dont ask anyone to crawl as others have said its hard on the knees.I want My slave/submissives in good shape,so treating them well benefits Me in the long run.I have had them kneel for just a short time,or be on all fours for a short period of time.Just enough to make them uncomfy,without hurting them.

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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 6:06:01 PM   
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the first Dom I had told me all sub/slaves were to always walk behind the Dom to stand behind him in his presence, not speak unless spoken too, to crawl to him when approaching,,  to always call him Master in private Sir in public. 

Now my confusion: a guy I was starting to talk to on here told me that the True Lifestyle did not have you do any of those things only fakes and players did that shit.  That those of the True Life have you called them honey ot sweetheart or other such  endearments. 

That a real Master did not need to have you bow or degrade yourself to him,  that a woman was to be beside the master  in all  ways.  He was the Master she the sub, but always at his side.

Now is this two diff lifestyles or just these guys beliefs?  Either way does a sub have to crawl to her master or is that each Dom's preference.


Everyone is different, i say whatever floats your boat.  i have absolutely no problem with crawling or kneeling, to me it is in no way shape or form degrading, it's showing an act of humility maybe... but i would definetely not say degrading... same with walking a step behind.  That is just me, however, and i know that what works for one doesn't always work for another.

As many others have said, i also do not believe that there is only one way to do things.... and definetely no "True Way".  The best thing to do is fins a Dominant that works for you, if S/He requires something that you are absolutely not comfortable with, chances are it won't work out anyhow.



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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 6:08:53 PM   
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Each Master has His own ways - but IF I was your's - you would be beside Me , arm in arm, for all to see...
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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 6:12:47 PM   
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Each Master has His own ways - but IF I was your's - you would be beside Me , arm in arm, for all to see...
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AWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: confused - 9/25/2006 6:13:07 PM   
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Frankly a guy like the first one would piss me off.  No part of me would even consider a guy like that.  But a man who inspired my awe, someone who respected me and didn't need to beat his chest like a gorilla, probably would have me doing things without even thinking twice. 
It has been my experience to get to know yourself well first.  I know myself well enough to know to stay away from guy number 1 and avoid irritation.
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ORIGINAL: patina

confused on a lot of issues but will just pick out a few.  the first Dom I had told me all sub/slaves were to always walk behind the Dom to stand behind him in his presence, not speak unless spoken too, to crawl to him when approaching,,  to always call him Master in private Sir in public.  Patina


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