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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/29/2006 7:26:36 PM

popeye1250

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Zensee, you're thinking of "The Bill of Rights."

I don't think there is a bill of "Human Rights" unless some leftist org like the "U.N." has one written down somewhere.
And of course if they do only people in third world countries would be entitled to "Human Rights" not Americans for sure.

OOPS! I don't think the "U.N." wants to talk about "Human Rights" now with all the success they've had in DARFUR.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/29/2006 7:27:13 PM

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I am glad to see so many here are for strict justice, are so
unforgiving, self-rightous, judgmental, moralistic and so
quick to stone others for their transgressions.

Expecting someone to face the consequences of causing a death while driving at 112 mph isn't being self-righteous, judgemental or moralistic, it is expecting someone to take responsibilty for their actions. If someone is old enough to drive, they are old enough to know that driving at high speed can cause accidents and death through criminal negligence. It's the same as any other crime. Accidents happen and no one should be condemned for an accident but driving at such a high speed is pre-meditated and criminal.

Can you spell: unforgiving, self-rightous, judgmental, and moralistic?

Can you spell: Hi, Im Whip and Im apparenty high?

Whip, man, come on, even with all the nutty crazy weird stuff you say, I still read your posts and try to keep an open mind about your new religion and all that stuff, but come on man. Come on. Really. Seriously, man.
Are you?
Are you high?

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/29/2006 8:07:19 PM

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"I don't think there is a bill of "Human Rights" unless some leftist org like the "U.N." has one written down somewhere."

...good guess, here's the link if you're actually interested in it...it may make informative reading for you. You'll be able to know what it is you're arguing against.
http://www.un.org/Overview/rights.html

"And of course if they do only people in third world countries would be entitled to "Human Rights" not Americans for sure."

...claptrap and you know it Popeye......that argument was beneath you. ......

"OOPS! I don't think the "U.N." wants to talk about "Human Rights" now with all the success they've had in DARFUR."

...oh dear.....the UN aren't the point men in Darfur, the African Union is. Additionally, i am quite sure that the UN will talk about human rights anytime, anyplace, anywhere. Because that's the point......human rights apply equally to all humans, regardless of race, nationality, sexuality, legal status or, indeed, any other classification of human you care to name.

When you argue with facts Popeye you make sense, even if i disagree with your interpretation. When you argue with assumptions you just undermine your own position.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/29/2006 9:22:47 PM

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Philosophy, figures, the "U.N." would come up with something like that.
One problem though, we have a Constitution in the U.S. and the "U.N." can write whatever they want but they have no legal jurisdiction in the U.S. or any other country for that matter.
They are not a governing body. They can "write" whatever they want, that doesn't make it legaly binding on anyone.
Also there is the small matter of more than 80% of the American People wanting out of the "U.N."
As for myself, I couldn't give a rat's ass what the "U.N." "thinks" or "says". About once a year I tell my senators and my congressman that I want out of it and not to give them anymore money.
And again, sneaking into a foreign country illegally is not a "Human Right."
Philosophy, you're trying to argue from the perspective of a global socialist.
I don't know about Wales but the U.S. is decidedly not a socialist country.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 2:52:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

I am glad to see so many here are for strict justice, are so
unforgiving, self-rightous, judgmental, moralistic and so
quick to stone others for their transgressions.

Expecting someone to face the consequences of causing a death while driving at 112 mph isn't being self-righteous, judgemental or moralistic, it is expecting someone to take responsibilty for their actions. If someone is old enough to drive, they are old enough to know that driving at high speed can cause accidents and death through criminal negligence. It's the same as any other crime. Accidents happen and no one should be condemned for an accident but driving at such a high speed is pre-meditated and criminal.

Can you spell: unforgiving, self-rightous, judgmental, and moralistic?

Are you telling me that if this bloke through a criminal act killed a member of your family you wouldn't want redress?

The fact is anyway, a state punishment is not just to punish the person who has commited the crime but it is also a form of redress for the victims and a warning to other people who might consider that driving recklessly at 112mph and endanger life is acceptable, that it is not acceptable. If you do not prosecute this person you set a precedent and might as well tell everyone they can drive at whatever damn speed they like and not to worry about how many people they kill.

You have to be on drugs to be against prosecution of this driver. It has nothing to do with forgiveness or self-righteousness, that is for the family of the people he killed. It is about the practicalities of enforcing a law that is there to protect ALL people from people who think they are above the law.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 5:13:26 AM

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It is profoundly sad that the attitude of this nation has gone from the words of The "New Colossus" of "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp besdide the golden door!" to "If they are in my country illegally, they deserve to die!" The golden door has slammed shut and a once proud nation is taking a rapid backslide toward the exact kind of tyranny that we used to be the refuge from.

Historically, singling out one ethnic, religious or racial group as the scape goat for the problems of a nation doesn't work out well in the long term. But if you get everyone foaming at the mouth about the big bad "illegal alien" that is here stealing their coveted fruit picking career possibilities, they are less inclined to question the more subtle shipping of what would be more technical high paying jobs overseas by the actually big, actually bad corporations.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 5:14:06 AM

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Someone said, cant bring myself to write his name....
For those who dont know. The UK Police are not an unarmed police force. Every large police station has an armoury, but only about 10% of UK police carry a armed weapon,either overtly or covertly. Most officers carry a baton and pepper spray,and some a Taser weapon.

This situation has gradually developed over the last 20/30 years as the consequences of the <improvements> brought about by the permissive society have become ever more apparent.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 5:57:01 AM

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And again, sneaking into a foreign country illegally is not a "Human Right."

The punishment for entering the country illegally is civil fines and up to 6 months imprisonment. It is not death. Life is an unalienable right. As in "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

If a right is unalienable, it applies to illegal aliens to.

Figures the "Founding Fathers" would come up with something like that. They just "wrote" whatever they wanted and expected it to be binding on people. Those left wing liberal socialist human rights backing Founding Fathers clearly did not understand what being an American was all about.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 8:48:50 AM

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Someone said, cant bring myself to write his name....
For those who dont know. The UK Police are not an unarmed police force. Every large police station has an armoury, but only about 10% of UK police carry a armed weapon,either overtly or covertly. Most officers carry a baton and pepper spray,and some a Taser weapon.

This situation has gradually developed over the last 20/30 years as the consequences of the <improvements> brought about by the permissive society have become ever more apparent.

West Mercia Constabulary covers three counties of England; Worcestershire, Herefordshire and Shropshire. It is divided into a number of commands, and each command area operates armed officers. For the three counties, West Mercia operates six armed response vehicles - these are ordinary police cars with officers who draw their weapons from locked cabinets within the car, after authorisation to do so for a specific incident. Aside from these specific incidents, the officers take part in ordinary policing. West Mercia is one of the largest force areas in England, albeit most of their territory being rural. Urban forces (London, Manchester etc) tend to have similar numbers of armed response units, but concentrated in a smaller area.

Of approximately 3000 police officers serving in West Mercia, less than 50 are approved to use firearms. This small number provides coverage for the armed response vehicles, and also a special more highly trained unit for sieges and the like. West Mercia also operates one of few firearm training units for police officers in England, and regularly trains officers from all over the country. I have had the fortune to undergo some training exercises there myself, and I can state quite categorically that at much of the time they are understaffed in terms of officers who want anything to do with firearms. Of those who apply, very few qualify, and a main reason for disqualification is any form of gung-ho attitude towards what is a deadly business. They are also currently testing several forms of classified means of incapacitating armed suspects without using deadly force - nothing to do with sprays or electric currents BTW!

The point is, that British police officers do not want to be armed. The general public dont seem to want them to be armed. The police forces themselves dont want to arm anything but a fraction of them.

I do wonder however, how long it will be before the growing gun crime in the UK necessitates greater or even universal arming of officers, and what sort of messes that will lead to?

And to the question of who is responsible for much of the armed crime? Yes, sadly its those who are running drugs, profiting from people smuggling for slave labour, running in street gangs and pimping vulnerable women on the streets. I will leave it to others to decide which particular racial and ethnic groups are best represented in those particular "trades".

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 9:11:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: justheather

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

I am glad to see so many here are for strict justice, are so
unforgiving, self-rightous, judgmental, moralistic and so
quick to stone others for their transgressions.

Expecting someone to face the consequences of causing a death while driving at 112 mph isn't being self-righteous, judgemental or moralistic, it is expecting someone to take responsibilty for their actions. If someone is old enough to drive, they are old enough to know that driving at high speed can cause accidents and death through criminal negligence. It's the same as any other crime. Accidents happen and no one should be condemned for an accident but driving at such a high speed is pre-meditated and criminal.

Can you spell: unforgiving, self-rightous, judgmental, and moralistic?

Can you spell: Hi, Im Whip and Im apparenty high?

Whip, man, come on, even with all the nutty crazy weird stuff you say, I still read your posts and try to keep an open mind about your new religion and all that stuff, but come on man. Come on. Really. Seriously, man.
Are you?
Are you high?

When you can't dispute what another says with logic or evidence, attack them personally. When you have the facts on your side hammer the facts; when you have the law on your side, hammer the law; when you have neither, attack the character of your opponent.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 9:41:02 AM

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> Are you telling me that if this bloke through a criminal act killed a member
> of your family you wouldn't want redress?

Not, if the person's only crime was speeding, and the accident was mostly
the result of bad luck.   I treat others how I would want to be treated or how
I want members of my family to be treated.   If your 17 year old daughter
drove 112 miles an hour on a highway that had little traffic, and she had
a blow-out, and killed several people, what should be her sentence?
What if she was racing to the hospital because you had just suffered
a heart attack?    The truth is I beleive people should be judged by the
same measure they use to judge others.

> The fact is anyway, a state punishment is not just to punish the person who
> has commited the crime but it is also a form of redress for the victims

Not true.   If someone cuts off your arm, they are prosecuted for commiting
a crime against the state, not you the victim.   Victims are not party to
criminal trials in the US. In criminal court, it is the State VS. the Defendant,
not the Victim VS the defendant. In other countries crimes against individuals,
redressing the victim is primary. Not true in the US. Though some states
have enacted victim's rights laws because in the past victims were not
allowed to participate in the proceess at all except as witnesses.

> driving recklessly at 112mph

Driving at 112 mph in not inheriently reckless. There is no state in
the United States where someone can automatically be charged
with reckless driving just for traveling at 112 mph.

> If you do not prosecute this person you set a precedent

I would ask for a refund on your law degree. There is punishment
for speeding. There are things that can be done short of incarceration.
People can be fined. People can be sued for negligence. People can
have their driver's license revoked. The families of the people killed
can sue the driver. By incarcerating the driver, you deprive the families
of collecting money they are likely due. The United States is filled with
crazed people who want to see everyone in jail. We incarcerate more
people than any other country in the world except N. Korea and the
Soviet Union. We are even ahead of China in taking away the freedom
of so many of our citizens.

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and might as well tell everyone they can drive at whatever damn speed they like and not to worry about how many people they kill.

You have to be on drugs to be against prosecution of this driver. It has nothing to do with forgiveness or self-righteousness, that is for the family of the people he killed. It is about the practicalities of enforcing a law that is there to protect ALL people from people who think they are above the law.

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Whatever!

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 9:42:46 AM

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Fast reply....

Reading this thread just made my faith in humanity drop another click. It amazes me that some can look at their own reflections in the mirror or sleep at night.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 9:47:42 AM

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There are some cars that can't do less than 112.
As soon as you touch the accelerator you go
that fast.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 9:52:22 AM

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Uh huh, it's 0 to 112 in 1.3 nanoseconds.

What's the make and model of that car, by the way? I'd like ta gets me one.

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There are some cars that can't do less than 112.
As soon as you touch the accelerator you go
that fast.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 11:30:38 AM

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Not, if the person's only crime was speeding, and the accident was mostly
the result of bad luck.   I treat others how I would want to be treated or how
I want members of my family to be treated.   If your 17 year old daughter
drove 112 miles an hour on a highway that had little traffic, and she had
a blow-out, and killed several people, what should be her sentence?
What if she was racing to the hospital because you had just suffered
a heart attack?    The truth is I beleive people should be judged by the
same measure they use to judge others.

Speeding and having an accident isn't bad luck, its down to negligence. Speeding contributes to 30% of all road accidents. There seems a lot of people that have bad luck.

If my daughter was travelling at 112mph on a freeway with little traffic and killed someone, the same would apply. There is no excuse for driving at that speed, she should be prosecuted.

She should also be prosecuted for not getting me to hospital safely and allowing me to die in a car wreck. LOL


Not true.   If someone cuts off your arm, they are prosecuted for commiting
a crime against the state, not you the victim.   Victims are not party to
criminal trials in the US. In criminal court, it is the State VS. the Defendant,
not the Victim VS the defendant. In other countries crimes against individuals,
redressing the victim is primary. Not true in the US. Though some states
have enacted victim's rights laws because in the past victims were not
allowed to participate in the proceess at all except as witnesses.

You can be as pedantic as you like. I can't speak for the US but since the US originally took over much of the British legal culture, the reason the British state started prosecuting crime was to stop personal vengence and vendettas. No doubt if the state stopped prosecuting crime, personal vengence and vendettas would reappear.

> driving recklessly at 112mph

Driving at 112 mph in not inheriently reckless. There is no state in
the United States where someone can automatically be charged
with reckless driving just for traveling at 112 mph.

Driving at 112mph is inherently reckless. Public roads aren't designed as race tracks and neither are they marshalled as such.

I would ask for a refund on your law degree. There is punishment
for speeding. There are things that can be done short of incarceration.
People can be fined. People can be sued for negligence. People can
have their driver's license revoked. The families of the people killed
can sue the driver. By incarcerating the driver, you deprive the families
of collecting money they are likely due. The United States is filled with
crazed people who want to see everyone in jail. We incarcerate more
people than any other country in the world except N. Korea and the
Soviet Union. We are even ahead of China in taking away the freedom
of so many of our citizens.

I never mentioned incarceration, though I think someone who has driven at 112mph and killed someone deserves to be incarcerated, it is an appropriate punishment.

If you are concerned about too many people being incarcerated, then free those people that don't pose a danger to other people. Smoking dope while listening to the red Hot Chili Peppers has never killed anyone as far as I know.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 11:54:41 AM

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> Speeding and having an accident isn't bad luck, its down to negligence.

I know a lot of people who speed all the time and have never had
a single accident.

> Speeding contributes to 30% of all road accidents.

So?   Getting hit by lightning contributes to a large
percentage of deaths by people walking outside
in the rain minding their own business and getting
3rd degree burns.    A large percentage of drivers
speed. They rarely get into accidents.

> There seems a lot of people that have bad luck.

And yet with all this bad luck must speeders don't
get into accidents.

> If my daughter was travelling at 112mph on a freeway with
> little traffic and killed someone, the same would apply.

Right! I don't believe you. If I did, I'd have an even
lower opinion than I have now.

> She should also be prosecuted for not getting me to hospital
> safely and allowing me to die in a car wreck. LOL

In my example, you were all ready at the hospital. If
she was rushing you to the hospital, she would have
a good reason to speed.

> Driving at 112mph is inherently reckless.

You can say what you like, but US law does not agree with you.

> Public roads aren't designed as race tracks and neither are they marshalled as such.

You can safely travel on the turnpike at 112 mph.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 12:30:45 PM

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From the State of Nevada Traffic law:

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NRS 484.348
Reckless Driving is defined as when a person undertakes the operation of any motor vehicle in a manner which endangers or is likely to endanger any person other than himself or the property of any person other than himself,

If the driver of the motor vehicle is the proximate cause of the death of or bodily harm to any person other than himself, the driver is guilty of a category B felony and shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for a minimum term of not less than 2 years and a maximum term of not more than 15 years, or by a fine of not more than $10,000, or by both fine and imprisonment.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 12:38:25 PM

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We ain't havin' 'em back.

Not to worry, MC, we aren't going anywhere.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 12:42:18 PM

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You can safely travel on the turnpike at 112 mph.

Sheesh. Please let us know when that will be so we can take an alternate route.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 12:57:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Level

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We ain't havin' 'em back.

Not to worry, MC, we aren't going anywhere.

NG is convincing me I'd be better off joining yah!

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