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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 1:04:33 PM   
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We ain't havin' 'em back.


Not to worry, MC, we aren't going anywhere.


NG is convincing me I'd be better off joining yah!


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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 1:06:08 PM   
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It is profoundly sad that the attitude of this nation has gone from the words of The "New Colossus" of "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.  Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp besdide the golden door!" to "If they are in my country illegally, they deserve to die!"  The golden door has slammed shut and a once proud nation is taking a rapid backslide toward the exact kind of tyranny that we used to be the refuge from. 

Historically, singling out one ethnic, religious or racial group as the scape goat for the problems of a nation doesn't work out well in the long term.  But if you get everyone foaming at the mouth about the big bad "illegal alien" that is here stealing their coveted fruit picking career possibilities, they are less inclined to question the more subtle shipping of what would be more technical high paying jobs overseas by the actually big, actually bad corporations. 


Krys, your Emma Lazarus quote was for people comming to this country Legally. And many of those were sent back from Ellis Island to their own countries due to having TB or other illnesses.
And due to 3 million illegal aliens sneaking into this country every year TB and other diseases that we had eradicated in this country are making a comeback!
Look at what happenned in the Mid-West a few months back!
Do you really think that quote applies to Illegal Aliens?
How about al qeada terrorists?
And if you remember your history you know that that statue in N.Y. harbor is called "Lady Liberty" not Lady Immigration.
I don't believe in the outsourcing of jobs either.
A hundred and twenty years ago this country needed immigration.
That is simply not the case today.
And we decide who comes here and how many come or if we want to discontinue it altogether.
"Immigrants" and "Illegal Aliens" are two different things.
We simply cannot have 20 million or more illegal aliens in this country.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 9/30/2006 1:12:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		To all those who think that driving at 112mph is not reckless and foolish, can I ask a question?

Would you car pool with someone who drove at that speed?
Would you let your kids go with their friends on a roadtrip, if their friends' parents drove at that speed?

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 5:59:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Krys, your Emma Lazarus quote was for people comming to this country Legally. And many of those were sent back from Ellis Island to their own countries due to having TB or other illnesses.


Actually, the sentiment doesn't distinguish, as it wasn't really an issue at the time.  The Illegal Alien Boogieman is a recent scapegoat.

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And due to 3 million illegal aliens sneaking into this country every year TB and other diseases that we had eradicated in this country are making a comeback!
Look at what happenned in the Mid-West a few months back!
Do you really think that quote applies to Illegal Aliens?
How about al qeada terrorists?


I believe it applies to anyone that comes to this country seeking a better life for themselves and their families.  I do not think that the ability to navigate the long, expensive and difficult task of wading through the process of legal immigration determines a person's quality as a human being or intent, nor do I believe coming here to make a life for one's self and feed one's family makes them an evil person.  The 9/11 Terrorists, for example, entered the country legally on temporary visas.  All but 4 still had valid temporary visas on that day. 

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And if you remember your history you know that that statue in N.Y. harbor is called "Lady Liberty" not Lady Immigration.


Which actually rather supports my point above.  That being that liberty (for instance, life) should not be determined by the ability to manage the red tape of immigration law.

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I don't believe in the outsourcing of jobs either.
A hundred and twenty years ago this country needed immigration.
That is simply not the case today.
And we decide who comes here and how many come or if we want to discontinue it altogether.
"Immigrants" and "Illegal Aliens" are two different things.
We simply cannot have 20 million or more illegal aliens in this country.


We DO, however have an estimated 12 million (not 20) illegal immigrants here now.  And, sorry to say, as long as they are a source of cheap and easy to exploit labor, that number will keep growing.  Whether you, personally, feel that the U.S. has reached is population cap, the corporate world is still more than happy to exploit what is so readily at hand, and the market has a lot more power than your voice or vote. 

If you want to make an actual change in that, focus more on the corporations and employers that exploit illegal employees and, thusly, provide the enticement to come here in the first place.  Because until that changes, the lip service politicians are currently giving you to sway your vote is about as effective as pissing in the wind.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 8:22:47 AM   
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Evidently YOU can't.

It's self-RIGHTEOUS.

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Can you spell: unforgiving, self-rightous, judgmental, and moralistic?



You're right.  Thank you.   I shouldn't misspell it again.   My spelling has improved
considerably since others have pointed out my spelling errors.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 8:31:14 AM   
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To all those who think that driving at 112mph is not reckless and foolish, can I ask a question?
Would you car pool with someone who drove at that speed?
Would you let your kids go with their friends on a roadtrip, if their friends' parents drove at that speed?
E


If they doing that speed on the turnpike with little or no traffic or on an expressway with similar
conditions.  I wouldn't carpool with someone driving 5 miles an hour in Miami rush hour
traffic which is often at a standstill.  At five miles an hour they would plow into hundreds
of cars.   People always cite special, exceptional circumstances that make them right, and
others wrong.   Of course driving 112 miles an hour in everyday traffic is not safe.  No
one said otherwise.  The quetion before us is, is driving at 112 miles an hour always
dangerous.
 
Would you let your kids go with their friends on a roadtrip if you knew they were going
to be drinking and having sex? 





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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 8:39:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip
Of course driving 112 miles an hour in everyday traffic is not safe.  No one said otherwise.  The quetion before us is, is driving at 112 miles an hour always
dangerous. 


No, the question before us is "Were the actions(driving at 112 miles per hour) of this off duty officer reckless and dangerous?" I'd have to say the fact that people DIED answers that question quite well.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 9:10:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen
To all those who think that driving at 112mph is not reckless and foolish, can I ask a question?
Would you car pool with someone who drove at that speed?
Would you let your kids go with their friends on a roadtrip, if their friends' parents drove at that speed?
E


If they doing that speed on the turnpike with little or no traffic or on an expressway with similar
conditions.  I wouldn't carpool with someone driving 5 miles an hour in Miami rush hour
traffic which is often at a standstill.  At five miles an hour they would plow into hundreds
of cars.   People always cite special, exceptional circumstances that make them right, and
others wrong.   Of course driving 112 miles an hour in everyday traffic is not safe.  No
one said otherwise.  The quetion before us is, is driving at 112 miles an hour always
dangerous.
 
Would you let your kids go with their friends on a roadtrip if you knew they were going
to be drinking and having sex? 






Modern cars are built to be safe at all sorts of speeds.

Modern drivers however, are still being made using the same plans drawn up a few thousand years ago.

Thus, it is unsafe to drive at high speed, and the safety decreases in direct proportion to the increase in speed, because of this mismatch in technology.

E

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 10:11:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250
Krys, your Emma Lazarus quote was for people comming to this country Legally. And many of those were sent back from Ellis Island to their own countries due to having TB or other illnesses.


Actually, the sentiment doesn't distinguish, as it wasn't really an issue at the time.  The Illegal Alien Boogieman is a recent scapegoat.

quote:

And due to 3 million illegal aliens sneaking into this country every year TB and other diseases that we had eradicated in this country are making a comeback!
Look at what happenned in the Mid-West a few months back!
Do you really think that quote applies to Illegal Aliens?
How about al qeada terrorists?


I believe it applies to anyone that comes to this country seeking a better life for themselves and their families.  I do not think that the ability to navigate the long, expensive and difficult task of wading through the process of legal immigration determines a person's quality as a human being or intent, nor do I believe coming here to make a life for one's self and feed one's family makes them an evil person.  The 9/11 Terrorists, for example, entered the country legally on temporary visas.  All but 4 still had valid temporary visas on that day. 

quote:

And if you remember your history you know that that statue in N.Y. harbor is called "Lady Liberty" not Lady Immigration.


Which actually rather supports my point above.  That being that liberty (for instance, life) should not be determined by the ability to manage the red tape of immigration law.

quote:

I don't believe in the outsourcing of jobs either.
A hundred and twenty years ago this country needed immigration.
That is simply not the case today.
And we decide who comes here and how many come or if we want to discontinue it altogether.
"Immigrants" and "Illegal Aliens" are two different things.
We simply cannot have 20 million or more illegal aliens in this country.


We DO, however have an estimated 12 million (not 20) illegal immigrants here now.  And, sorry to say, as long as they are a source of cheap and easy to exploit labor, that number will keep growing.  Whether you, personally, feel that the U.S. has reached is population cap, the corporate world is still more than happy to exploit what is so readily at hand, and the market has a lot more power than your voice or vote. 

If you want to make an actual change in that, focus more on the corporations and employers that exploit illegal employees and, thusly, provide the enticement to come here in the first place.  Because until that changes, the lip service politicians are currently giving you to sway your vote is about as effective as pissing in the wind.


Krys, Immigration to *ANY* country is not a "right".
Illegal "immigration" is just that, illegal.
What are you advocating?
Your argument is very weak. (Is Emma Lazarus' poem official govt. policy?)
And what about someone comming here to "feed their family or "making a better life for their family" I didn't realize they had a food shortage in Mexico or Central America, you couldn't tell by looking at the people!
What about someone who wants to come here because they "want a brandnew Chevrolet Corvette?" Yes, I guess having a brandnew Corvette would make for a "better life" don't you?
As for "unalienable rights" if that's the case wouldn't that be "Universal" and apply in all countries?
Also, I am NOT a Democrat OR a Republican and I don't care much for Big Corporations being involved in our govt.
I am an Independant voter ("Not Declared") and I have no use for Republicans or Democrats.
I don't believe in "cheap labor" or "outsourcing" and we really do need to outlaw all those lobbyists on "K" street in Washington.
(They can sit down at their kitchen table like I'm about to do in 20 minutes or so and write to their congressman or senators just like everyone else. They shouldn't have any "special access" to the govt.)
We have a seperation of church and state in our govt and that same seperation should exist between big business and govt.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 12:13:06 PM   
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What are you advocating?


Tolerance and reason.  And not thinking it is okay to kill people who are here illegally. 

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 1:35:04 PM   
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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 2:00:26 PM   
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Sorry but if I were on a grand jury I'd refuse to indict.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/1/2006 6:50:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		"To all those who think that driving at 112mph is not reckless and foolish, can I ask a question?

Would you car pool with someone who drove at that speed?
Would you let your kids go with their friends on a roadtrip, if their friends' parents drove at that speed?

E"
 
LadyEllen, post # 123
 
   LadyEllen, i think we need to remember that Whip is probably a professional race car driver, so it's probably perfectly safe for him to drive at that speed, and even faster.  (yes, i'm being sarcastic)
 
   Seriously, though, speed limits are posted so people know the safe speed for the roadway they are on. If a driver exceeds the speed limit, he puts himself and possibly others in danger. Sometimes, even at the posted speeds, accidents happen. 
  
   It's NEVER safe to drive 112 mph. Anyone who thinks otherwise should not be allowed to drive.


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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/2/2006 4:01:44 AM   
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My aunt was changing a flat tire on the shoulder of the freeway. The road was flat and straight, the day was warm and sunny. She was behind the car bent over to pick up something or other. I wasn't there but saw the scene later. She was hit, crushed and killed instantly, by a pastor, with enough force to send the parked car into the dividing median two lanes over.
The back seat flipped pinning my cousins beneath it.
No charges were ever filed, no restitution was made on the vehicle, and my family paid for my now orphaned cousins' therapy. (Whomever freed them from beneath the seat lacked the sense not to let them see what was left of their mother laying scattered on the shoulder, front bumper of the truck and back of the car).
Whomever it was that was supposed to decide to file charges or not, opted not to because " G-d would deal with him (the pastor) better than the state could " Case closed.
 
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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/2/2006 4:15:54 AM   
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you have my deepest sypatmy and my prays are with you family. oh yes he may not had been tried by the state or anyone else but he will remember each time he close his eyes and she was he had done each night for the rest of his life and trust me he is being tried by himslf , this sight he saw is in his mind as long as he lives. they once tried a man for a drunk driving killing the picture ask that he have the girl he kill picture in his cell also on her birthday they only asked that he would send a dollar on her birthday each  year, this drove him so crazy he tried to have the sentence change it was not so i know you hurting i understand i lose a sister no this way but it was no good.  a poicle man was to make sure she got to a hotle he left her did not make sure she got in she was missing for three days and he was gone when they found her , i let him know this was not someone who was not loved she was loved he could not even answer me he gulit overwhelmed him he will remember if only i had.............................. all pay in someway dear do not worry

please take care my prays are with you alwasy

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/2/2006 4:41:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a firm believer in Karma monsand thank you for your kind thoughts.
What I'm opposed to is someone being above the law. It doesnt really matter who it is. It makes my ass itch even more when the person who the law doesn't apply to has a title the generally implies it should be respected.  Oh, I forgot, those are the ones who are generally exempt from the law. Don't hear much about society's general masses recieving legal absolution.

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RE: Off~Duty Vegas Highway Patrolman kiss Illegal Alien... - 10/2/2006 7:54:28 PM   
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To all those who think that driving at 112mph is not reckless and foolish, can I ask a question?

Would you car pool with someone who drove at that speed?
Would you let your kids go with their friends on a roadtrip, if their friends' parents drove at that speed?

E

 
I must tell You, that if We all knew about someone's
speed {ecspecially 112's} We would not get in the car!
 
Illegal or not, It's just not right!
 
Ant, & Lilbecque
 
 



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