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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

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This discussion reminds me of a recent political occurrence. Does anyone else see the similarity?

LOL... I was thinking along the same line!
 
~J

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

I do think this is a worthy ideal to aspire to, but not just for dominants.  I think it is a worthy ideal for people in general no matter what type of relationship they like to be in.

Knight's kyra

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

So - in this instance and by your definition, someone cannot be dominant unless all of their base and higher needs are fulfilled prior to the time their personality is set (would that be a genetic imprinting or socialization set?) -and- any emotional abheration to the very essence of "cool" is a determination of the individual's inability to continue in a dominant role - and, when he finds himself thussly compromised, he might be swayed from his path for enlightenment by the guiles of a wanton scheming woman?

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To expound, we must hold ourselves accountable for our own choices and actions. We must force ourselves to bear witness to the truth of things, as painful as it may be—to not be caught up in little daydreams and mental chatter that distracts from our own control. We should seek to build from the inside outward, and not outside inward, for as those Smashing Pumpkins once sang, "the world is a vampire."

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

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To expound, we must hold ourselves accountable for our own choices and actions. We must force ourselves to bear witness to the truth of things, as painful as it may be—to not be caught up in little daydreams and mental chatter that distracts from our own control. We should seek to build from the inside outward, and not outside inward, for as those Smashing Pumpkins once sang, "the world is a vampire."

Rather a Calvinistic approach to the entire thing; but, (and don't get me wrong) not far off the mark from my stance.

However - rigidity of character is a demon just as assured.

Holding oneself responsible is indeed to be considered laudable and meritocrious for the entire self... but, forgiveness is key to stability in all things. As we cannot bear a burden constantly compounded by our personal humanity and fallibility.

However - and, you should understand - complete 'self actualiztion' as you touted as a strict requisite in your earlier missel is not something most people may attain (by definition) - therefore it cannot be a realistic requisite for someone's attainment of (idealistic/idyllic) control...

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In my mind, an ideal Master or Mistress is not cut of common cloth. They should—and the good ones often do—seek out and hone qualities within themselves that are above the ordinary, for it is beneficial to come as close to actualized as mortals may. Good judgment is crucial in one who is followed, even more so in one who keeps other human beings as pets or slaves. Sovereignty of mind, nobility, strength, and yes, empathy, are qualities in another I know I find easy to bow to. One who is easily manipulated or torn from his perch masters nothing, in the end

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

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In my mind, an ideal Master or Mistress is not cut of common cloth. They should—and the good ones often do—seek out and hone qualities within themselves that are above the ordinary, for it is beneficial to come as close to actualized as mortals may. Good judgment is crucial in one who is followed, even more so in one who keeps other human beings as pets or slaves. Sovereignty of mind, nobility, strength, and yes, empathy, are qualities in another I know I find easy to bow to. One who is easily manipulated or torn from his perch masters nothing, in the end

Well - I do not subscribe to the "Idealistic or Nothing" mind set - it is on line supported and enhanced absolutist rhetoric which so often leads people to being absolutely disappointed when they first venture out into the world in search of people and organizations and  - well - reality.

We can strive for ideals - but, there are few 'Uber Menches' alloted in this life - and, I have never met one involved in BDSM.

Give me an honest, humble, and chaste person any day over a vaunted self described and alleged saint (*or, Grand Master) for an associate - at least my friend shall be honest with himself.

~J

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

I do not subscribe to the "Idealistic or Nothing" mind set - it is 'on line' supported and enhanced absolutist false rhetoric such as that which so often leads people to being absolutely disappointed when they first venture out into the world in search of people and organizations and - well - reality.

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Obviously, my words are lost here a second time, and while I do appreciate your articulate candor, I emphatically suggest quite the opposite: it is surely the lack of a noble personal standard, accountability and meeting the highest ideal possible within oneself which sows disappointment with many who seek to own or be owned.

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline



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Do you think that a dominant must be in complete control of themselves at all times in order to be a "good" dominant?
 



 
 

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Yeah, it could be the perfect person is one not so perfect. I don’t think a great artist could create without the experience of his own imperfections and overwhelming desires. Great books come from dark souls.

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

Being angry, sad, pissy, or exhuberant is not an absolute indication of someone losing control... simply of their emotional state at the time....(or, they may be being manipulative)
 

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ORIGINAL: amayos
Evil is relative, and even the good of some.