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i surrender - 9/29/2006 8:29:27 PM   
pqwinny


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Doing as i was told by this.

I cannot convey to you how angry I am that you choose to air our dirty and private laundry in a public chatroom!   Do not send me any further links to your collarme "threads."  It's a cheap shot, and I won't tolerate it any further. Granted, I suggested that you go there initially to glean the reactions of others to the situation.   That is a far cry from engaging in an ongoing open and public debate about my stupidity, my lack of caring about your safety and my incompetence as a Master. Every time a person attempts to explain a situation to another person, there is always  -- I repeat, always  -- an inherent spin that is placed on the facts.   More often than not, this is done unintentionally  -- even unconsciously -- by the fact-giver.   No matter how hard you may try to be fair in relating what happened, these people weren't there!  They simply cannot fully comprehend and appreciate the nuances of the dynamic that infused our interaction. And for you then to send me these links so that I can read my public excoriation at the hands of your collarme colleagues, who are all-too-eager to express an opinion on anything, is nothing short of unconscionable. One individual who responded to your inquiry bemoaned the fact that you were essentially a captive in my vehicle.   Did you conveniently forget to add the fact that when you ordered me to "Stop the car; I want to get out!", I told you that if that was what you really wanted, I would do so?  At that point, you retreated from that demand, did you not?   That's quite a bit different from what you told the group -- namely, that I refused to let you out.   Was that simply an oversight, lisa, or a bit of spin? The fact that I remain anonymous in all of this is scant consolation to me and makes it no less degrading.   After your initial post at my instruction, you should have asked my permission before going any further in this debacle. Reading all the judgments about me by people who know absolutely nothing about me save what you choose to tell them is reminiscent of that famous judge in the Wild West who used to tell the accused who came before him:  "We're going to give you a fair trial  -- and then we're going to hang you!" I am instructing you to cut and paste this email verbatim into another collarme post as soon as you have finished reading it.  I want those who so readily condemn me based on your recitation of the facts to see it.   After that, lisa, you may talk with them about anything in the world  -- anything but me.   Leave me out of it.

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 8:39:17 PM   
LuckyAlbatross


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quote:

ORIGINAL: pqwinny

Doing as i was told by this.

I cannot convey to you how angry I am that you choose to air our dirty and private laundry in a public chatroom!   Do not send me any further links to your collarme "threads."  It's a cheap shot, and I won't tolerate it any further. Granted, I suggested that you go there initially to glean the reactions of others to the situation.   That is a far cry from engaging in an ongoing open and public debate about my stupidity, my lack of caring about your safety and my incompetence as a Master. Every time a person attempts to explain a situation to another person, there is always  -- I repeat, always  -- an inherent spin that is placed on the facts.   More often than not, this is done unintentionally  -- even unconsciously -- by the fact-giver.   No matter how hard you may try to be fair in relating what happened, these people weren't there!  They simply cannot fully comprehend and appreciate the nuances of the dynamic that infused our interaction. And for you then to send me these links so that I can read my public excoriation at the hands of your collarme colleagues, who are all-too-eager to express an opinion on anything, is nothing short of unconscionable. One individual who responded to your inquiry bemoaned the fact that you were essentially a captive in my vehicle.   Did you conveniently forget to add the fact that when you ordered me to "Stop the car; I want to get out!", I told you that if that was what you really wanted, I would do so?  At that point, you retreated from that demand, did you not?   That's quite a bit different from what you told the group -- namely, that I refused to let you out.   Was that simply an oversight, lisa, or a bit of spin? The fact that I remain anonymous in all of this is scant consolation to me and makes it no less degrading.   After your initial post at my instruction, you should have asked my permission before going any further in this debacle. Reading all the judgments about me by people who know absolutely nothing about me save what you choose to tell them is reminiscent of that famous judge in the Wild West who used to tell the accused who came before him:  "We're going to give you a fair trial  -- and then we're going to hang you!" I am instructing you to cut and paste this email verbatim into another collarme post as soon as you have finished reading it.  I want those who so readily condemn me based on your recitation of the facts to see it.   After that, lisa, you may talk with them about anything in the world  -- anything but me.   Leave me out of it.

I agree that, especially with this posting, you are trying to manipulate public opinion towards yourself and play an attention game, and have been doing so all along.

However, that doesn't negate what happened, that it was stupid, that everyone handled it badly, and is not at all the behavior of mature and stable adults.

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 8:52:42 PM   
Iskander


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: pqwinny

Doing as i was told by this.

I am instructing you to cut and paste this email verbatim into another collarme post as soon as you have finished reading it.  I want those who so readily condemn me based on your recitation of the facts to see it.

I agree that, especially with this posting, you are trying to manipulate public opinion towards yourself and play an attention game, and have been doing so all along.

However, that doesn't negate what happened, that it was stupid, that everyone handled it badly, and is not at all the behavior of mature and stable adults.


I do believe she was told to post this LA...
her first post if anything manipulated opinion towards her Dom..
*shrug*

Iskander...

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 9:08:07 PM   
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Nah, it's a private mess that needs more work than we can hope to solve here.  Still, if this is the means required to communicate for them, at least some good might come of it.  Either way, it won't be us having to live with their choices.

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 9:14:27 PM   
CreoleCook


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having read the whole post, I can only state my perspective.  If I have a submissive who wishes to get other people's advice on something bothering her, without confrointing me, personally, then by all means I hope she does post on these boards, and gets different viewpoints, without posting my personal habits, or giving the whole story, as he preferred she would have done.

but then, thats my 2 cents.

CC

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 9:24:28 PM   
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oh good grief

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 10:14:18 PM   
juliaoceania


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Your dominant is publically flogging you for not writing his threads the way he wanted you to. He told you to write the threads, and if he was not happy with the result he should have specified what exactly what the contents of such should have been.

I do not know your dominant, but from what I have thus far read it seems he is projecting dangerous behavior and the resulting falling out on to you. Perhaps he has a drug addiction that he should address? If that is the case I wish him well in getting the help that he needs..

Demanding you post this latest thread is involving me in his punishment/humiliation kink, and not a productive or enlightening thing. Nothing is to be resolved by this thread but for you to be humiliated and embarassed that he ordered you to "shame" yourself in front of a group of strangers who do not know either of you. I do not appreciate being dragged into this, and if he reads this post he should really obtain the consent of others before he uses them to shame and humiliate his submissive... it squicks me and makes me uncomfortable, and I did not sign up on CM to be dragged into this sort of bullshit

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 11:04:51 PM   
LadyHugs


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Dear pqwinny, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
Sad, very sad indeed lass.
 
Open ended instructions by a Master/Mistress/Dominant is often prone to assumptions and on shakey ground, no matter the good intentions or not.
 
IF, and I will repeat IF, the Dominant saw the rough draft prior to the posting and was approved, the edits were made-then you cut and pasted onto CM for general comments that is a flaw on his part as to not putting the issues at a factual basis and not personal. 
 
IF, and I will again repeat, IF, the Dominant did not instruct you to pass the rough draft and or finished piece to be reviewed; then a lesson is learned that it may be a wise protocol to do so in the future.
 
IF, ...yes IF, the Dominant allowed you to make an independent inquiry using first hand knowledge of what you experienced, as to be proffered for opinions in a status; "In your own words;" then he gave permission for you to give yourself an independent voice.  As we all know, there are two sides of the story and people see things differently.  Dominants need to expect that--not be so shocked as to make the slave and or the forums feel badly about it.
 
What ifs, presented to the mass to read, does not imply that such actually took place, may take place or could take place.  It is presenting elements which constitutes the issue at hand, of a 'what if.'
 
Sadly, if left alone and kept in private--the community at large would have never known; to which both the alleged offended dominant and or the slave could have remained in a dignified light.
 
In summary--Communication is the key.  I wish you both much luck in finding a remedy to the latest issues.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs

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RE: i surrender - 9/29/2006 11:09:30 PM   
Iskander


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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Demanding you post this latest thread is involving me in his punishment/humiliation kink..
.... I did not sign up on CM to be dragged into this sort of bullshit


Who dragged you into this? I'm sure you had the option of not getting involved by just exiting the thread(s) and not giving it any further thought...

Iskander...


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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 4:04:38 AM   
Wolfie648


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quote:

Every time a person attempts to explain a situation to another person, there is always  -- I repeat, always  -- an inherent spin that is placed on the facts.   More often than not, this is done unintentionally  -- even unconsciously -- by the fact-giver.   No matter how hard you may try to be fair in relating what happened, these people weren't there!  They simply cannot fully comprehend and appreciate the nuances of the dynamic that infused our interaction.

 
Amen.
 
O wait I'm not religious.
 
Not that I'm defending either side mind you.
 
D (owner of j).

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 4:33:53 AM   
Estring


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Iskander

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Demanding you post this latest thread is involving me in his punishment/humiliation kink..
.... I did not sign up on CM to be dragged into this sort of bullshit


Who dragged you into this? I'm sure you had the option of not getting involved by just exiting the thread(s) and not giving it any further thought...

Iskander...




Lol. Some people just can't "resist" being dragged in.

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 4:36:52 AM   
KatyLied


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Public humiliation kinks are starting to bore me.  

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 5:31:54 AM   
gypsylee


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this is just weird. it's like some kinda BDSM Jerry Springer Show or Judge Judy or something.

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 5:58:36 AM   
MissUnleaded


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LOL GypsyLee.  That's exactly how I felt.  There's a lot wrong here.

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 5:59:19 AM   
RedSavageSlave


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quote:

ORIGINAL: gypsylee

this is just weird. it's like some kinda BDSM Jerry Springer Show or Judge Judy or something.


Too funny... and WAYYY too accurate :)

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 6:01:41 AM   
MrDiscipline44


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LOL, you shouldn't get agry at someone else for your own inability to walk away from a thread, julia.

Oh, btw. Do you remember my little post about her being a hypocrite?  LOL

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 6:28:43 AM   
PlayfulOne


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Mr D,

Don't try and apply reason to that,  if one walked away they would be unable to shout their idignance.  It's a message board, everytime you post you involve others,  when you read the post you agree to be involved.
Less we forget Julia is the Queen of "nice nasty", saying nasty things to people but sugar coating it to pretend her innocence or being unable to actually interpet what the message was and going off on a wild tangent of criticism.

To the OP,

You failed to mention  before that he stopped to let you, that doesn't make you a "captive" then does it?
How about this, maybe you should have kept your head a little better rather than starting an altercation at that moment.  How about tyring a simple, "Sir, may I drive please?"  and saving the discussion on the behavior for a time when everyone is calmer and not under the influence.  but then that cuts out the drama doesn't it.

K

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 6:56:20 AM   
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quote:

this is just weird. it's like some kinda BDSM Jerry Springer Show or Judge Judy or something.

yup! And that is exactly why this place is sooooo entertaining!


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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 7:34:02 AM   
gypsylee


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ORIGINAL: happypervert

quote:

this is just weird. it's like some kinda BDSM Jerry Springer Show or Judge Judy or something.

yup! And that is exactly why this place is sooooo entertaining!



yeah, i mean i love watching Jerry and all, but i dunno, this gives me the creeps.

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RE: i surrender - 9/30/2006 7:45:05 AM   
juliaoceania


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iskander

quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
Demanding you post this latest thread is involving me in his punishment/humiliation kink..
.... I did not sign up on CM to be dragged into this sort of bullshit


Who dragged you into this? I'm sure you had the option of not getting involved by just exiting the thread(s) and not giving it any further thought...

Iskander...




Lol. Some people just can't "resist" being dragged in.


You know estring, sticks and stones....sticks and stones... you are such a peach!

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