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US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 8:32:52 AM   
NorthernGent


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16 US intelligence agencies have concluded:

Terrorism is a reaction to foreign policy and occupation rather than a radical ideology (the mythical Islamo-fascists). This is based on actual surveys and research in Iraq and is a very useful study because the inference is:

1) The whole notion of we must attack them because they want to attack us is propaganda.

2) We are giving up our civil liberties because of Government manipulation.

It is time for people to finally admit that the threat to us comes from our Governments' policies and if we have gripes about our societies then the people who deserve to answer these charges are those in Government.



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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 8:41:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		      Funny how everyone who likes quoting the leaked NIE leaves out the part about how a loss or withdrawal in Iraq would result in a boost to terror recruiting and more terrorism. 

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 8:59:59 AM   
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Why did we need 16 agencies to tell us this?

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16 US intelligence agencies have concluded:

Terrorism is a reaction to foreign policy and occupation rather than a radical ideology (the mythical Islamo-fascists).


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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:03:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		That too is pretty obvious. The terrorists were not IN Iraq, we opened the door to that by attacking, making Iraq a prime base of operations for terrorists to take advantage of the JUST fury and grief of a ravaged populace.

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     Funny how everyone who likes quoting the leaked NIE leaves out the part about how a loss or withdrawal in Iraq would result in a boost to terror recruiting and more terrorism. 


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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:16:54 AM   
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The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
Stewart: You know the drumbeat of criticism leveled at President Bush for his handling of Iraq? Well it's taken its toll. And Monday in Philadelphia following his speech at the World Affairs Council, Bush found himself forced to turn to desperate measures.
Bush in Philadelphia: I got a little extra time on my hands, so I thought I might answer some questions.
Woman asking question: Mr. President, I would like to know why it is that you and others in your administration keep linking 9/11 to the invasion of Iraq when no respected journalist or Middle Eastern expert confirms that such a link existed?
Bush: What did she say? I missed the question. Sorry. I didn't— I beg your pardon. I didn't hear you, seriously.
Stewart [imitating robot]: Beep, beep. Does not compute. Beep, beep, beep.

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:19:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Buckley Says Bush Will Be Judged on Iraq War, Now a `Failure'

By Heidi Przybyla and Judy Woodruff
March 31 (Bloomberg) -- William F. Buckley Jr., the longtime conservative writer and leader, said George W. Bush's presidency will be judged entirely by the outcome of a war in Iraq that is now a failure...

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:22:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		The first step in the process of getting the people behind a war is to demonize the enemy... without mutual understanding wars never stop.

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:24:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read that post by you in another thread already, bills944. How many more copies of that post in how many more threads are you going to make, or have made already? A hundred, a thousand, or a million? It gets to be boring very quickly. Methinks you need some toilet training.

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:43:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn

duh.

Why did we need 16 agencies to tell us this?

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney09302006.html

16 US intelligence agencies have concluded:

Terrorism is a reaction to foreign policy and occupation rather than a radical ideology (the mythical Islamo-fascists).



Some of us don't LadyMorgynn but others do.

A helping hand goes a long way - hence the post.  For some, they need to see something in black and white in order to take the plunge and move away from the notion of the benevolent US and British Governments who wouldn't dream of acting without our best interests in mind.

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:46:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		     They are doing a fine job of demonizing themselves.  We "torture" with things the people on this site do for fun (and then prosecute those responsible), they torture with power tools and release video of dumb suburban kids being beheaded.

     Useless apologists can (and do) post all day long about what fine and hospitable people Muslims can be and it won't alter the fact that a Death-Cult based in that same religion has declared war on us.


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The first step in the process of getting the people behind a war is to demonize the enemy... without mutual understanding wars never stop.


    

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:47:17 AM   
bills944


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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:49:20 AM   
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     Funny how everyone who likes quoting the leaked NIE leaves out the part about how a loss or withdrawal in Iraq would result in a boost to terror recruiting and more terrorism. 


You're confusing the root cause of terrorism with a by-product of occupation and invasion. 

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:52:22 AM   
bills944


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Status: offline 		Here's a new/different one for you
 
Buckley: Bush Not A True Conservative
CBS News Exclusive: Buckley Criticizes President For Interventionist Policies
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/22/eveningnews/main1826838.shtml

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 9:55:49 AM   
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    They are doing a fine job of demonizing themselves.  We "torture" with things the people on this site do for fun (and then prosecute those responsible), they torture with power tools and release video of dumb suburban kids being beheaded.

    Useless apologists can (and do) post all day long about what fine and hospitable people Muslims can be and it won't alter the fact that a Death-Cult based in that same religion has declared war on us.


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The first step in the process of getting the people behind a war is to demonize the enemy... without mutual understanding wars never stop.


   


Have you read the report, Wyrd. Your own intelligence agencies are telling you what you refuse to believe. Replying with the "they behead people" line is simply not good enough and weak. I invite you to have a good read of it.

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 10:03:30 AM   
bills944


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Status: offline 		I don't give a krud what they do over there, that's their business, if they want to slaughter and torture each other let them.  I don't give a damn, I'm not interested in their stupidity.  We have people over here who need health care and kids who need to go to college and who can't afford it.

The money spent on the war could have been spent to secure the borders, the airports, the shipping ports, train stations, nuclear facilities etc.  I like Buckley, he's a conservative and he knows what he's talking about.  It will take 30 years to "win"
staying over there is a waste of money and a waste of time, besides 60 or 70% of them, Iraqis, want Americans out

If they have a civil war or we need to go back over there or back in there again  then we can do that, but for now they need to get out and see what happens.  I'm not interested in staying in that stupid country for 30 years, because that's how long it's going to take to stabilize that stupid place and nobody wants to stay there that long.

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 10:03:54 AM   
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My question was more rhetorical, or at best tongue-in-cheek.

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ORIGINAL: LadyMorgynn
duh.

Why did we need 16 agencies to tell us this?

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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent
Some of us don't LadyMorgynn but others do.


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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 10:06:59 AM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		I'm no apologist!  The US foreign policies of the last centure are DIRECTLY responsible for the horrific events of 9/11 and the rise of terrorism in the Middle East.  WE declared war on THEM long ago.  What we see now is the result.

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    Useless apologists can (and do) post all day long about what fine and hospitable people Muslims can be and it won't alter the fact that a Death-Cult based in that same religion has declared war on us.    


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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 10:16:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		    I do believe it North.  I'm just drawing a different conclusion from the facts and opinions presented.  Many times in my life, I've found myself in bad situations I didn't create, that could have been avoided if the person/s in charge applied the least bit of common sense to begin with.  You go from where you are to the best outcome you can get. 

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 10:16:40 AM   
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Has anyone else in here given up their "Civil Liberties?
Where would you go to do that? Is there some paperwork I'd have to sign? A form maybe?

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RE: US National Intelligence Estimate - 10/1/2006 10:19:17 AM   
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I'm no apologist!  The US foreign policies of the last centure are DIRECTLY responsible for the horrific events of 9/11 and the rise of terrorism in the Middle East.  WE declared war on THEM long ago.  What we see now is the result.

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ORIGINAL: WyrdRich
   Useless apologists can (and do) post all day long about what fine and hospitable people Muslims can be and it won't alter the fact that a Death-Cult based in that same religion has declared war on us.    



     And your solution is...?

     

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