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Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:20:28 PM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		    Apologists, Blamers, Pouters and Whiners; there are plenty of other threads for your useless and counterproductive input.  This one is just for ideas about how we can safely get our guys the hell out of there.

    Let's start a whole new TV network for the country with Jerry Springer in charge of development.  Get the citizens TALKING instead of shooting.  Talk radio too.  Couldn't hurt and we certainly have the technology available.
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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:25:38 PM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		I find your suggestion here about as helpful as I did your comment about demolitions in the other thread.  At least if you want to start a SERIOUS thread about solutions, try throwing out some SERIOUS ideas instead of ridiculous statements like the below. 

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This one is just for ideas about how we can safely get our guys the hell out of there.

   Let's start a whole new TV network for the country with Jerry Springer in charge of development.  Get the citizens TALKING instead of shooting.  Talk radio too.  Couldn't hurt and we certainly have the technology available.


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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:30:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Impeach Bush is the sanest and most productive way of getting our troops out alive.  Then, once out of office and away from the levers of power we try Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove and several others for treason and hang them on Capital mall.

We then bring in the people who actually predicted the problems we face today and work with those people to find out what if any solutions are left.  We then fund as much of that work as possible with the estates of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Rove.  We then establish a tax on Republicans to pay for their war.  In addition, we as a nation appologize to Jimmy Carter for ever calling him our worst president and ask him to once again give his speech on energy and then announce that we are going to reestablish the plan he put in place to get our nation free of dependence on foreign oil some three decades ago.

We then go to the united nations and in concert with our real allies like Germany and Britain, we do our best to put Iraq back together again.  The troops we use will be largely Republican since they are not allowed deferments of any sort and if their parents recieved a deferment during Vietnam they are drafted automatically. 

Can't be any more insane than fighting the war on Al Queda by invading one of Al Queda's few enemies in the middle east and choosing as allies, the two most loyal Al Queda countries.

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:32:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		     I'm completely serious LadyMorgynn.  Let's ram some free expression right down their throats.  It is just one little step in what will doubtless be a long road, but is would be a positive step.

    Let the Kurds, Sunni and Shia get up on a stage and throw chairs at each other if that is what it takes.  Let them hear the voices the Death Cult Imams want to silence.

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:37:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		First we do no further harm.

We just up and leave.

The oil belongs to Iraq and doesn't need our "help" I think.

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:40:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I really like it.  In this particular instance, I would support a change in policy to allow public hangings.  

Hey Crappy, how's your Cuban?  We'll probably wind up over in Gitmo, keep an eye out for me, will ya?

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Impeach Bush is the sanest and most productive way of getting our troops out alive.  Then, once out of office and away from the levers of power we try Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove and several others for treason and hang them on Capital mall.



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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:41:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		     Well Crappy, impeaching Bush would immediately give us President Cheney.  I doubt he would go quietly.  Not to mention that the Dems actually have to get a supermajority in the Senate now that they set the filibuster everything precedent.

    

     

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:42:17 PM   
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EXIT. Leave, grab our stuff and GO.

The consequences afterwards and blood will be on the hands of those who sent us to Iraq in the first place.

Military tribunals should follow.

A multi-national force would be sent in to help set up the infrastructure...much like the Marshall plan of post WW2.

After that....its up to the IRAQis...what they want. There will be a SET TIME for when they will leave.

If they want ethnic strife and division there is NOTHING we can do about it.






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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:46:25 PM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		You don't really believe our government (hello? BUSH????) is going to just walk away and allow Iraq control over their own oil, do you? 

You and I don't agree on what constitutes "harm," but you have given me a lot to think about, and I do respect your opinion on that (although I of course reserve the right to disagree and argue with you about it <g>), and I even in fact agree with you, even while I disagree.  That is, I agree with your reasoning, but disagree with your solution.  Anyway, I find your posts very thought-provoking.

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First we do no further harm.

We just up and leave.

The oil belongs to Iraq and doesn't need our "help" I think.


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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:50:18 PM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		As an American, I believe we are collectively responsible.  No, I am not personally responsible for Bush, or his little war of opportunity, but I do feel morally obligated, as an American, to keep more people from dying there from the havoc my own country created, and to protect the populace from suffering more under the anarchy that would ensue on an abrupt withdrawal of the invading forces (ours).

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EXIT. Leave, grab our stuff and GO.

The consequences afterwards and blood will be on the hands of those who sent us to Iraq in the first place.


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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:53:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		     Immediate pull-out is an option.  I think it would be a disaster but that is JMO.  I heard that same suggestion a few weeks ago from a soldier who was part of the initial invasion.

    

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:54:31 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Status: offline 		oh Bull....if anyone is responsible...its the draft-dodging chickenhawks in the Whitehouse and all the Armchair quarterbacks screaming "rah-rah" when baghdad was getting "smart-bombed" (yeah right) and being turned into a radioactive DU wasteland.

I sure-as-hell aint responsible for that.

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 4:55:10 PM   
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Apologists, Blamers, Pouters and Whiners; there are plenty of other threads for your useless and counterproductive input.  This one is just for ideas about how we can safely get our guys the hell out of there.


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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 5:02:31 PM   
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I really like it.  In this particular instance, I would support a change in policy to allow public hangings.  

Hey Crappy, how's your Cuban?  We'll probably wind up over in Gitmo, keep an eye out for me, will ya?

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Impeach Bush is the sanest and most productive way of getting our troops out alive.  Then, once out of office and away from the levers of power we try Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Rove and several others for treason and hang them on Capital mall.




You ridicule Rich for his idea (which wasn't a winner of one, by the way), but you're all for hanging men and women in public? Goodbye, credibility.

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 5:03:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yanno, Crappy, if it were that easy, why would we still be there?  Oh, right.

Actually, I think Crappy's dead on, except for the draft Republicans part.  I think in going forward, we would have to identify who got what from it, take 10 times their gains away (remember, a huge number of regular americans profited inadvertantly, such as employees of Haliburton etc)

But taking away more than they gained (provided it's over, say, $20 000) would probably set a good future precedent for dealing with similar crimes.  You steal, lose more than you gained.  You embezzle, buh bye savings x 10.

And then you identify the decision makers.  The liars.  The people who blindly followed orders.  You repeat Nuremberg.  20 people get killed, others get life, others will flee to Argentina, but the people who made the decisions get to face the consequences.

We didn't let them get away with blindly following orders then, you won't get away with it now. 

Then disband the Republican party.  Disband the Democrats.  Give America 10 parties, a real choice.  Give 'em a Nazi Party, a Green Party, a Marijuana Party, Conservatives, Liberals, and Commies. 

There goes half the name calling in your country. 

But for the rest, Crappy, dead on.

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 5:07:38 PM   
WyrdRich


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Status: offline 		      Sorry you feel that way Julia.  I was actually hoping to get a variety of constructive thoughts from a diverse set of viewpoints.  I suppose it could get a tad warm in here.

      Knowing your concern about the possibilities of a future draft, I thought you would certainly have some ideas for finding a real solution to the mess.  Who knows, maybe we could e-mail the whole thread off to Bush and Rove.

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Apologists, Blamers, Pouters and Whiners; there are plenty of other threads for your useless and counterproductive input.  This one is just for ideas about how we can safely get our guys the hell out of there.


I knew this was flamebait...have fun kids


    

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 5:08:36 PM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		I understand that.  I DO.  But... geez.  Doesn't anyone here have ANY compassion for the victims in all this?  Doesn't anyone grasp at all the consequences to human lives in the hundreds of thousands, in terms of death, sickness, starvation, on a pullout now?  Where are all the bleeding hearts who went on and on against the sanctions on Iraq (I wasn't one of 'em), which caused far less suffering, btw, than our invasion.  Geez, doesn't anyone CARE???? 

WE did this... AMERICA.  It's OUR goverment, folks, like it or not.  We can deny personal responsibility, but not collective responsibility.  We can't just pull out and leave all those people to fend for themselves in the kind of turmoil that would erupt in the vacuum left.  Yes, the war itself was a criminal act.... to just pull out now would be even more criminal... it would be an act of barbaric inhumanity unequaled in our country's history.

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oh Bull....if anyone is responsible...its the draft-dodging chickenhawks in the Whitehouse and all the Armchair quarterbacks screaming "rah-rah" when baghdad was getting "smart-bombed" (yeah right) and being turned into a radioactive DU wasteland.

I sure-as-hell aint responsible for that.


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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 5:09:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, leave tomorrow, announce we are leaving and see if the UN wants to take over... cancel the contracts to rebuild Iraq and let Iraqis rebuild Iraq

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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 5:10:30 PM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		Only traitors to America.  No, really, I figured if he could throw around ridiculous and pointless tongue-in-cheek ideas in what he purports to want to be a serious thread, so could I.  I would never support public hangings (or any hangings for that matter)... and yet, the degree of disenfranchisement I feel with those people mentioned, makes the idea regrettably appealing. 

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You ridicule Rich for his idea (which wasn't a winner of one, by the way), but you're all for hanging men and women in public? Goodbye, credibility.


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RE: Iraq: For Solutions only - 10/1/2006 5:15:26 PM   
LadyMorgynn


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Status: offline 		Which is actually a very good idea for starters (except the UN deal opens up a whole 'nother can of worms).... but I can't see the Powers That Be on Capitol Hill allowing that to happen, any more than they would allow Iraq to form their own government, or control their own oil.  Ain't gonna happen.  But I do favor not allowing American contractors (or their subsidiaries) to rebuild Iraq; let the Iraqi's do it themselves so that the piranhas in our country and government do not receive any benefit.

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Yes, leave tomorrow, announce we are leaving and see if the UN wants to take over... cancel the contracts to rebuild Iraq and let Iraqis rebuild Iraq


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