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DomKen -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 10:28:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

will someone please give george bush a blow job so we can impeach him

I regret that I have but one mouth to give for this country...

No, sorry I'm willing to do most anything for the USA but not that.




CrappyDom -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 10:33:10 PM)

Yep, there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

I mean it isn't like you can say Raygun Bush and Bush ran the deficit sky high and a Democrat ran it the other way.

It isn't like you can say Republican invade oil rich countries like Somalia and Iraq but get offended if someone invades a country just to stop genocide.

It isn't like you can say Republicans are willing to do anything to get elected and would even cheat if that would help.

It isn't like you could say Republicans would turn a blind eye while our country was attacked and then use it as a political hammer to beat their policies down our throat.

Anybody who thinks the Democrats are saints is a fool, anyone who can't see the difference between Democrats and Republicans is intellectually lazy and is rationalizing that laziness.

Politics is an ugly business and has been since the civic leaders poisoned their first critic.  That still doesn't prevent the truth in the fact that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Thanks to all of those on all sides who actually work for what they believe in, there is real integrity in that.




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 10:35:12 PM)

Ken, I agree with you. I'm not a religious person and I don't want to see it mixed into government like Dems and Repubs do.
I want a government that follows our Constitution as closely as possable with regards to trade, border security, wars, spending.
I'm just sick and tired of the Dems and Repubs.
The U.S. Taxpayer is getting screwed at every turn by them not by The Constitution Party or any other Party.
And as for Congressman Foley being gay or alchoholic or an abuse victim I don't see what that has to do with anything.
Does he think a judge and jury will go "easy" on him because he says he's gay? Or an alchoholic? Or a Victim of child abuse?
That was my point.




DomKen -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 11:16:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Ken, I agree with you. I'm not a religious person and I don't want to see it mixed into government like Dems and Repubs do.
I want a government that follows our Constitution as closely as possable with regards to trade, border security, wars, spending.
I'm just sick and tired of the Dems and Repubs.
The U.S. Taxpayer is getting screwed at every turn by them not by The Constitution Party or any other Party.

Dems mix religion into government? Got an example? Just one will do.

You claim to be all for the US Constitution but openly support a party that clearly wants to obliterate it. You are either a liar or so completely clueless tha you shouldn't be allowed out by yourself.

I'm no fan of the GOP but it at least sort of believes in the principles upon which this nation was founded. The Constitution party does not. 




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 11:23:04 PM)

OK Ken, I can see you'd rather flame those who you don't agree with than engage in intelligent discourse.




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 11:28:46 PM)

Evidently Ken forgets Clinton comming out of church every sunday with that big bible posed in his left arm and Clinton's big buddy Jerry Falwell "contributing" $100,000 to Clinton's re-election campaign. Oh, and what's his name The Reverand Jesse Jackson's many dinners in the White House.
Oh, and after he got caught lying under oath about a blow job there was something about Clinton "consulting with his spiritual advisors every week" in the White House I would assume.




DomKen -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/3/2006 11:35:08 PM)

Falwell gave money to the Clinton campaign? Got any documentation of that?

The rest don't sound like mixing government and religion to me. Going to church is a first ammenment right as is having whoever you want over for dinner.

Now compare that to the "Constitution" party which wants to introduce biblical law into the US.

BTW if you want intelligent discourse you might try engaging in such. So far all I've ever seen out of you is slogans and bad logic.




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 12:11:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

I rarely post on politics, but I wanted to echo the folks (Sinergy, PlayfulOne, others) who called out Popeye for gay-bashing (and Popeye can serve here as a stand-in for the entire Republican leadership).  What does Foley's sexual preference matter?  For that matter, what does his alcoholism and his "I was abused during childhood" claim matter?  He is a hypocrite of the first order and a liar.  The fact that he is trying to wrap himself in a "poor little victim me" flag and some are letting him get away with it is the issue.  The other issue of course is that the Republican House leadership apparently knew about this "problem" for a year or so, and did nothing.  Because they desperately wanted to save the seat in a difficult election.

E.


Emporer, I've been called out for gay bashing???
How is repeating what was said on the news gay bashing?
*I* didn't say it *The News Agencies* said it!
Are the News Agencies gay bashing by saying that Cong Foley is gay?
I thought "Gay Bashing" was when someone said something bad about gays?
Again, "DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER."




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 12:19:53 AM)

The reason people may have jumped on you is because his being gay is completely inconsequential in this case.   His being gay is only important to Christian nuts who think being gay is as much of a sin as being a pedophile.   I was watching this story on TV with another Christian adult  who said the same thing....  He's gay anyway, and I just don't get the insanity that equates grown adults doing their thing with a congressman abusing lil ones.   M




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 1:05:51 AM)

Blktall, again, I didn't say it the News Agencies reported that his lawyers said it.
Sounds like *Leftist Intolerance* has reared it's ugly head in here.
The News agencies also called him "An Alcoholic", should I, as a recovering alcoholic take "offense" to that?




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 1:28:17 AM)

I didn't take offense that someone called him gay...  Being gay is not an offense in my book.
I was just telling of having this very conversation with a Christian nutter at work who said "well he's gay anyway."  I replied, his being gay is not a problem, his pedophilia is;  he replied "it is a problem in the book."   I used to think Christianity was a wonderful thing, now am having my doubts.   M




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 1:35:46 AM)

Well, I agree with you there. I also don't care for the Leftist Intolerance.
That's why I don't like the Democrats or Republicans.
They're both intolerant groups!
Watch them slam each other right up to the elections!
The Christian Right and the Leftist Intolerants are like peas in a pod.
Problem is not all the Christian Right are Republicans!




Sinergy -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 5:21:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

will someone please give george bush a blow job so we can impeach him


From what I have been able to determine, I am not sure there is anybody currently in office representing the Republican party who could find George W. Bush (or even their own) penis with both hands.

Their mouths seem to be too busy making lame ass excuses for their criminal
and/or incompetent activities.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy




PlayfulOne -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 10:32:29 AM)

Popeye,

The issue that several people asked, that you side stepped by claiming to onbly be the messenger, was why you felt the need to toss his being gay into the fray.  Your failure to address that has lead many to believe it was an attempt at gay bashing.

You took a dig at anyone who may not have your idea of God.  I asked a simple question, Do you understand why "In God We Trust" is on the money and why "Under God" is in the Pledge?  You side stepped that also, so one would have to believe your just tossing out digs at people and the statment about Foley being gay are in the same vein.

K




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 11:23:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PlayfulOne

Popeye,

The issue that several people asked, that you side stepped by claiming to onbly be the messenger, was why you felt the need to toss his being gay into the fray.  Your failure to address that has lead many to believe it was an attempt at gay bashing.

You took a dig at anyone who may not have your idea of God.  I asked a simple question, Do you understand why "In God We Trust" is on the money and why "Under God" is in the Pledge?  You side stepped that also, so one would have to believe your just tossing out digs at people and the statment about Foley being gay are in the same vein.
That type of charge made against something so inocuous reeks of the tactics of the Politically Correct Goosesteppers.
I wonder if Emporer would make the same charge if I said that Foley "was Alcholic".
He then goes on to say that I can represent the Republican contingent when I have stated repeatedly in this site that I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat but an Independant "Not Declared" voter.
It would seem that the Republicans have no advantage on smear tactics.

K


Playful one,

Playfull one, when I typed in that Foley was gay it had "just" broke on the news by his lawyer. I was watching the T.V. at that very moment. At that time I didn't know whether it was true or whether his lawyer was using it as some type of gambit in his defense like the "Alcoholism" claim which now has been reduced to "Closet Alcoholic" and which now some in the news are having doubts about altogether.
As for me reporting that the news said that Foley was gay I really don't see how that was gay bashing.

Playfullone, ok, no I don't know why "In God We Trust" is on our money.
But you're going to tell us, right?




popeye1250 -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/4/2006 11:59:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

Yep, there is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats.

I mean it isn't like you can say Raygun Bush and Bush ran the deficit sky high and a Democrat ran it the other way.

It isn't like you can say Republican invade oil rich countries like Somalia and Iraq but get offended if someone invades a country just to stop genocide.

It isn't like you can say Republicans are willing to do anything to get elected and would even cheat if that would help.

It isn't like you could say Republicans would turn a blind eye while our country was attacked and then use it as a political hammer to beat their policies down our throat.

Anybody who thinks the Democrats are saints is a fool, anyone who can't see the difference between Democrats and Republicans is intellectually lazy and is rationalizing that laziness.

Politics is an ugly business and has been since the civic leaders poisoned their first critic.  That still doesn't prevent the truth in the fact that all it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Thanks to all of those on all sides who actually work for what they believe in, there is real integrity in that.


Crappy Dom, I largely agree with you.
I'm just sick and tired of both Repubs and Dems and the way they conduct our country's business.
And their "policies."
And luckily I'm not alone.
I want real change.




thompsonx -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/6/2006 8:20:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

will someone please give george bush a blow job so we can impeach him


I am patriotic enough, but after that you will have to kill me... seriously.


How about we just give you a bottle of listerine and our eternal gratitude?




juliaoceania -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/6/2006 8:41:16 AM)

No... the horror of that experience is something I would never fully recover from




pinkee -> RE: An open letter to Speaker Dennis Hastert (10/6/2006 12:35:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CrappyDom

What a bunch of whiners.  "throw them all out" "our current system sucks" "the two parties are the same" etc.

What the fuck did any of you do in the last six months politically?  Did you donate time or money to a candidate?  Did you walk a precinct or man a phone bank?

You want decent candidates, then get off your fat asses and go support one.  The reason we get shitty candidates is because we have shitty lazy voters who wait till the last minute to pop their heads up, they read a couple articles the week before and go and vote, if they even bother voting.

We get shitty candidates because people want to believe you can lower taxes and fight a war or that government is the solution to every problem.  There ARE candidates out there who don't try and feed us pablum but WE in the collective sense don't vote for them.

Over the last six months I have donated money, volunteered, spoke to people, attended rallies, held signs, held house parties to raise money and awareness.  What have YOU done?  I don't say that to toot my own horn, it is simply a challenge to do more.

I got to shake hands with a man I have never even seen in person before, Wesley Clark.  I worked for him in '04 and spent days calling people in every early primary.  He may, and I hope he does, run in 2008 and I will again work for him.  That is how it works, it is a long term battle and you don't always win today but the goal is to win more and more.

So whatever party you support, get out there and help the best of them get elected to local office, then state and finally federal.  Don't expect success the first year, politics is a long term game.


i worked every election cycle until 2004, and stopped only because i was ill at the time.  i completely agree with CrappyDom....and remind P/pl that is also matters whom is elected on the local and state levels, not just the national one.
 
BTW, so as not to hijack the thread:
 
Dear Speaker Hastet:
 
You are a disgrace and a morally bankrupt man.  Do U/us A/all a favor and resign immediately.  Never again run for public office, including dog catcher.  If you fail to do as asked, i sincerely hope you are impeached for ethical violations asap.

pinkee




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