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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/7/2006 6:16:02 AM

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my poste in a previous thread ;that seems to answer your question

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I ask thou...What would a person consider sick.. or to express this in a less derogatory manner.. what would you consider as an unhealthy activity?

Myself... I don't consider in general any activity as inherently unhealthy except for a very few exceptions. IE Suicide.

But, I do consider a person as unhealthy when they knowing engage in activities that WILL and DOES cause HARM to their Well-Being. This Harm can be physical, emotional, intellectual and even spiritual. I would also note that Harm could be rather subject in of itself. IE... some one could consider a\tatoo as a Harmful effect upon their person while another may not consider that as such. But, if you consider tatooing as harmful to yourself and you engage in this activity... then I would consider you unhealthy. It's not the activity.. but the willingness of a person to Harm themselves by making choices that bring this about.

For me... It' is a moral principle to take actions that maintain and enhance my well-being not to harm it.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/7/2006 6:39:19 AM

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I admit that I do things now, and think of doing things, that a year ago I would not have even considered doing. However, there is a limit to what I will do. Fantasy is one thing and reality is another, and I see no point in doing something just to do it.

Everyone seems to be in agreement that "as long as it is between consenting adults" anything goes. But if you are a responsible Dominant, you know that you hold a great deal of influence and power over your submissive (if you are in a relationship) and that you are ultimately responsible for their mental, emotional and physical well-being. Some practices, such as the wedding scenario- to me, has the potential to be unhealthy. STD's can be spread through oral contact.

I have no objection to anything others want to do. However, for myself, I prefer to remember who I am as a person, where I want to take myself as a Dominant, and what I am trying to accomplish in my personal journey into BDSM. I want to grow in a positive manner, and keep my sense of self esteem, while also strengthening the bonds and respect I have with my submissive.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/7/2006 6:49:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

Whenever I see these posts I always wait for the inevitable 'I don't agree with underage sex/sex with a minor' standard response.

But why on EARTH do people insist time and again to say that?

Why do people come here and even contemplate that paedophillia - and that is what we are talking about here - has ANYTHING to do with BDSM.

It is really statements like that which perpetuate the myth that such practises are BDSM related. They are not.

As for the op - what others do is up to them. Nothing is anymore sick, better, normal, abnormal, abhorant, critical *fill blank word here* than another. Everything is subjective - and really, what concern is it of anyones who likes what or doesnt like it, except for the people involved?

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Yes, I agree. To me it's a given. It would be like saying "Murder, arson, bank robbery etc... are limits". It's not a limit, it's common sense that you don't go there.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/7/2006 7:15:13 AM

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Trust me, common sense ain't all that common.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/7/2006 7:20:55 AM

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Trust me, common sense ain't all that common.

Now that's an understatement.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/7/2006 6:09:00 PM

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Trust me, common sense ain't all that common.

hmmmmm well then, maybe I need to greatly lengthen my list of hard limits.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/8/2006 8:55:25 PM

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All of the things you listed could be acceptable in some places, imo. The real question revolves around consent and social context.

"Sick" to me involves pathological behavior, nonconsensual behavior, or behavior that prevents one from living a more or less normal life including earning a living, forming relationships and friendships, etc. Check the DSM IV under sado-masochism for a list of diagnostic criterion.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/8/2006 9:53:48 PM

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I'm glad I didn't attend that reception.

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I have heard of a Dom* and sub being married and at the reception she* was told to suck every dick and lick every pussy in the room.

Me too.

She should have been tied down over the alter with the shreaded remains of her wedding dress while the groom's party lined up behind the (add the man of god of your choice here) to take turns packing wedding cake up her ass.

*WhiteRadiance text has been edited to suit my own damn needs!

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/9/2006 10:01:23 AM

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I keep on seeing "If it is not illegal " Will someone please tell me in what state are all of our kinks legal.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/9/2006 10:42:46 AM

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I think for sure my tastes have changed over the past year or so. Things I would have never thought of, don't bother me at all now. I know that to most of my friends, just the act of me submitting to a man is sick.

I try not to judge anyone for what they do, it's not my "thing" but that doesn't mean there isn't pleasure in it for them. To each their own, as long as they leave me to mine, I will happily leave them to theirs.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/9/2006 10:53:34 AM

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ORIGINAL: Aileen68

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ORIGINAL: becca333

Trust me, common sense ain't all that common.

Now that's an understatement.

Understatement of the year, IMHO.

But seriously now....no monkies at all???!! That's just cruel and unusual punishment. *grins*

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/9/2006 11:30:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: WhiteRadiance

Is there anything we can do within the "lifestyle" that will not be accepted?

Yes, depending on where it is on the globe you are doing it, and who you are including in your doing of it.

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Do kinksters have the right to say they dislike certain activities, find them distasteful, abusive, or damaging?

depending on what gender you might be, religion you might adhere to and/or where upon the globe you are saying it, you may or may not have the legal or perceived "right" to speak up about your preferences as to what others engage in.

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Case in point:

I have heard of several instances of Dom/mes punishing a slave by making them xxxxxxxxxxxxxx.

I have heard of a Domme and sub being married and at the reception he was told to suck every dick and lick every pussy in the room.

I have heard of a Master making his slave take a shit in front of a group of people.

Are there any here who find these things unacceptable, and if so, why? Would you do these things, or have you done them?

there are many things that this slave could not have imagined, before her relationship with Master, that she would EVER find acceptable that she now engages in on a daily basis.

Case in point:

when we met, there were things about this slave that Master found unacceptable--pubic hair, for instance--so this slave makes sure she doesn't have any on a regluar basis, SOLELY to please Him. to some people, an absence of pubic hair is repulsive or a pain in the ass to upkeep, but the arguement that it is sick appears to be based on questioning the desire for a physical representation of a pre-pubescent state--sans pubic hair.

an arguement can be made (and has been made regularly by the Psychiatric Community over the course of time) that anyone who consensually engages in S&M or D/s activities is one sick pup, be it a good hardy flogging, controlling another's speech, the use of a human toilet, calling the one you have sex with "Daddy" or demanding a clean shaven pussy.

it is NOT this slave's position that the above mentioned activities constitutes "sick", but there are many, in and out of this "lifestyle" who condemn anything that blows their own mind. they are certainly entitled to their opinion, however, this slave doesn't agree that it should go so far as putting laws on the books or alienating family members based on puritanical kink to the detriment of labelling someone else "sick" and in need of therapy, rescue or intervention.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/9/2006 2:23:33 PM

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To ME, I will react to the following

If I see someone who through age/experience/position uses those to manipulate people I find that abuse and depending on the severity I will speak out.
Breaking someone down emotionally or physically with the intent of removing someones ability to resist.
Playing off partners against each other in order to get one's way at the clear expense of another
Doing something permanent like branding a slave at an inappropriate time such as with a very young girl or with a woman you met six months ago

Again, for ME, it isn't the act, it is the motivation behind it.

I manipulate emotions all the time but I TRY and do it for the ultimate benefit of both myself and my partner. Again, this isn't something that is black and white but for me it is quite real. I know when I am manipulating someone for my own greedy ends and I know the outcome for the other is going to be some sort of fallout and I avoid it when I can.
Breaking someone down emotionally or physically with the intent of removing someones ability to resist. There is a vast difference between saying a partner is a worthless piece of cum soaked trash and saying she is MY cum soaked trash. Again the difference is subtle but huge.
Playing off partners against each other in order to get one's way at the clear expense of another. I see a great deal of this in the scene, WAY too much and is one of the things that sickens me deeply. I have many many faults, this however has never been one of them.
Doing something permanent like branding a slave at an inappropriate time such as with a very young girl or with a woman you met six months ago. In the "I am so extreme" competition this one gets violated all the time.

Just like slapping a woman across the face can be hot and simply raising a hand abuse, what you see and what is really going on can be harder to discriminate.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/9/2006 6:32:50 PM

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When my dad picks his nose and wipes it on the side, or back fo the couch. Really it's just gross hehe.

On a more serious level. I don't find things "sick," I find I don't enjoy them, or they aren't my kink, or I'm just not interested. There are some things I find that are just morally wrong, but they have nothing to do with the BDSM lifestyle-fetishes-kinks

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/10/2006 6:16:34 AM

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having just read the first page of this thread i thought i would add my own little comment lol
Personally i have my own limits that are limits for me becasue they either dont do anything for me in a power / sex/ domination way or becasue they are illegal.
i remeber being asked by another mistress once if " my bitch took dog cock"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it certainly opened my eyes to how involved people can get and i guess i can understand how limits and things that are maybe very extreme can at some point become beome a reality but for myself anything involving anyone underage or an animal and blood or skat is to me wrong , but thats just my opinion.

I am fairly sure that with the right person i will push all my current boundaries at some point and begin to bore of what i do now and i will get more extreme but i cant imagine it happening anytime soon.

I find it does worry me though sometimes that becasue there so many people out therer that are so extreme i might not find who i am looking for

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/10/2006 8:12:08 AM

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hmmm what do i consider sick, lifestyle wise? well, my list probably differs from most. perhaps it's due to being a slave for the past 6 yrs, or perhaps i'm just perverted, but there are a great many things, i.e. scat, blood/cutting, physical use of one under 18, things involving non-humans, etc., that many find sick and which i do not, or at least not without some further more devious content involved. by the same token, the few things which i do consider to be "sick" are rather tame in the eyes of most. namely, anything involving a female Dominant or male submissive...i'm an old-fashioned, non-PC kinda submissive gal, and that sort of power dynamic just screams unnatural and "eww" to me. but, i don't necessarily think negatively of those who may identify as such, and don't think laws or anything should be passed to halt their activities...i just don't wanna see it, hear about it, be around it. and somewhat in the same category, i find any sort of homosexual (whether male-male or fem-fem) sexual (lifestyle-wise) or bdsm interaction to be sick...basically, because it involves one person being in a position of dominance or submission who, by my definition of what is right and natural, shouldn't (whether a male being submissive or a female being dominant).

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/10/2006 12:39:59 PM

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Hey Mnottertail,
That's the reason I get jelious, everytime I see a BALLOON being blown up!

As for the others, I would like someone to let me know ahead of time, so I can skip that part of the cerimony.

I would never do those things to, but then again a lot of people here think Cross Dressing or anything Cyber, is as bad as those thing mentioned. GO FIGURE !

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/10/2006 12:48:25 PM

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I have not read the thread, so forgive Me in advance if this has been said.

In My opinion, anything that is consensual between two adults over the age of 18 is, in My eyes, acceptable and totally up to them to hash out with a few exceptions.

1) The actions must adhere to the Law of the land.
2) Their scene must not involve anyone else unless each person being involved has given their consent to do so.
3) The actions must be safe, sane and consentual. Many people seem to forget the sane part. Less forget the safe and others think consentual just means them and their partner. Not so.

Other than that, game on as far as I am concerned.

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RE: What do you consider sick? - 10/10/2006 3:54:54 PM

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As long as it's between consenting adults, and new perment harm done, its ok. .

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