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Phoenixandnika -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 9:10:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Aine

To me, yeah, we're Americans.  But the REAL Americans are those who were here first.  And once we get into all that....now we're just talking semantics.



I found this statement comical for many reasons. Who was here 1st? Wasn't it the Native Americans, so by your own statement UNLESS your Native American your not a REAL American? 




Amaros -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 9:38:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

I found this statement comical for many reasons. Who was here 1st? Wasn't it the Native Americans, so by your own statement UNLESS your Native American your not a REAL American? 


I watched a show on the Discovery channel last night, and it appears that Europeans crossed an ice bridge into North America long before the Asians crossed the land bridge, and were assimilated into that later wave of migration - there are apparently DNA markers in Native Americans that are also found in European populations.

I'd hate to see that turn ugly in a political sense: what it means is that yes, we are all brothers and sisters.

It seems to me, you and me,
Are chasing something.
What it is does anybody here want to know?
It seems to you, you and me,
Are forgetting something,
When love is so easily forgotten.
And if I pick you up, will you drag me down?
If I run to you, will you turn around?

Rise and fall turn the wheel 'cause all life
Is really just a circle.

Big Head Todd and the Monsters



Iskander -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 9:47:47 AM)

I'm sure if it was up to them, they wouldn't be Americans either..
They didn't chose that name... Heck, Americans didn't chose the name of the country either.. [8D]

But thats just splitting hairs... [8|]

Iskander...




Tikkiee -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 9:53:42 AM)

I have never been one to mince words, whether speaking to someone in RL or online. And yes, it has gotten me in trouble more times than I care to say [8D] I always make it a point though that when speaking or typing, I always use the word I...as in ME...to avoid confusion about generalities. If someome else can not make the distinction there, then as far as I am concerned, that is their problem and not mine ( which is why I am probably in trouble with what I say 99% of the time )



Lordandmaster -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 12:31:19 PM)

I DID look up the etymology in OED.  It says this:

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Prob. an alteration of NEGER n., after classical Latin niger (see NIGER n.1); cf. earlier NIGRO n., NIGRITE n.1 Cf. post-classical Latin niger black person (1582 in a Spanish colonial source). Cf. also Swedish [image]http://proxy.library.upenn.edu:8411/graphics/parser/gifs/mb/dag.gif[/image]niger (1758), prob. a borrowing from English (although this may perh. represent a borrowing of NEGER n.).


Then it lists a bunch of examples, and goes on to say:

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For coincidence of the word in some dialects with NIGGARD n. cf. [image]http://proxy.library.upenn.edu:8411/graphics/parser/gifs/sb/gamma.gif[/image] forms and etymological note s.v.


Did you get that?  COINCIDENCE?


As for LOD's question about "Negroid": that's a much later word.  "Negro" entered the English language from Spanish in the sixteenth century; "Negroid" was derived from it, and isn't attested before 1844.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Amaros

As for the etymology, look it up in the OED.



Aine -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 1:26:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Amaros

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

I found this statement comical for many reasons. Who was here 1st? Wasn't it the Native Americans, so by your own statement UNLESS your Native American your not a REAL American? 


I watched a show on the Discovery channel last night, and it appears that Europeans crossed an ice bridge into North America long before the Asians crossed the land bridge, and were assimilated into that later wave of migration - there are apparently DNA markers in Native Americans that are also found in European populations.

I'd hate to see that turn ugly in a political sense: what it means is that yes, we are all brothers and sisters.

It seems to me, you and me,
Are chasing something.
What it is does anybody here want to know?
It seems to you, you and me,
Are forgetting something,
When love is so easily forgotten.
And if I pick you up, will you drag me down?
If I run to you, will you turn around?

Rise and fall turn the wheel 'cause all life
Is really just a circle.

Big Head Todd and the Monsters


I guess my point wasn't along these lines though, if it's been proved, then it kind of backs up my point in the first place.  To the one  who responded to me:

I never said one thing about American Indians.  Hell, I can definitely see how they could be implied, as that is the point that has been implied for generations, I will take what Amaros has said and elaborate more on my original point.

I'm Irish American.  I'm of Irish blood, I'm second generation IrishAmerican.  But are the Irish pure blood?  Nope.  I've got European blood in me too.  How many of us are pure of blood?  How many of the humans are or ever were pure blood?  We're still finding out who was where first.  I never once said I knew who was where first, so leave the American Indians out of it.

Thanks.



redpetals -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 1:38:34 PM)

fyi
the native americans  that we all know..migrated here also and there were other native americans here (2 thousand years ago) that migrated south out of  their  way..
it is the way  of the world,,



Aine -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 1:43:34 PM)

I think we've established that.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 1:56:07 PM)

What was the title of that show?

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

I watched a show on the Discovery channel last night, and it appears that Europeans crossed an ice bridge into North America long before the Asians crossed the land bridge, and were assimilated into that later wave of migration - there are apparently DNA markers in Native Americans that are also found in European populations.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 2:11:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Amaros

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenixandnika

I found this statement comical for many reasons. Who was here 1st? Wasn't it the Native Americans, so by your own statement UNLESS your Native American your not a REAL American? 


I watched a show on the Discovery channel last night, and it appears that Europeans crossed an ice bridge into North America long before the Asians crossed the land bridge, and were assimilated into that later wave of migration - there are apparently DNA markers in Native Americans that are also found in European populations.

I'd hate to see that turn ugly in a political sense: what it means is that yes, we are all brothers and sisters.

It seems to me, you and me,
Are chasing something.
What it is does anybody here want to know?
It seems to you, you and me,
Are forgetting something,
When love is so easily forgotten.
And if I pick you up, will you drag me down?
If I run to you, will you turn around?

Rise and fall turn the wheel 'cause all life
Is really just a circle.

Big Head Todd and the Monsters


I guess my point wasn't along these lines though, if it's been proved, then it kind of backs up my point in the first place.  To the one  who responded to me:

I never said one thing about American Indians.  Hell, I can definitely see how they could be implied, as that is the point that has been implied for generations, I will take what Amaros has said and elaborate more on my original point.

I'm Irish American.  I'm of Irish blood, I'm second generation IrishAmerican.  But are the Irish pure blood?  Nope.  I've got European blood in me too.  How many of us are pure of blood?  How many of the humans are or ever were pure blood?  We're still finding out who was where first.  I never once said I knew who was where first, so leave the American Indians out of it.

Thanks.


What do you consider to be a "real" American? 



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 2:15:28 PM)

It was called "Ice Age Columbus:  Who were the first Americans?"

I watched the first hour.  Basically they were saying that there is evidence that people from now middle Europe crossed over into now East coast/Mid Atlantic around 17,000 years ago, making people habiting the Americas about 5,000 years earlier than previously thought (the ones who came from now Asia into now Canada/West coast).




Aine -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 2:20:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

What do you consider to be a "real" American? 


Other than what's been proved by science?  I don't know and I never said I did know.  Yeah, we're current Americans, but I'm calling out semantics on this argument because of the African American argument from earlier.  Who is really an American if you want to get down to the nitty gritty?  Who knows?  It's all opinion, and context of the words and personal definitions.  There is not end-all of what or who an American is.  We choose those definitions for ourselves and choose what offends us because it goes against what we think is right.



felineone -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 2:22:41 PM)

                  "African Americans" is a term I find rather odd.. I've lived in Europe and never heard the term "African Dutch" or "African German", here in Oz I've never heard "African Australian" either.. To me it just sounds like a PC way of maintaining 'segregation'..

Iskander...


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I don't refer to myself as European-American either.. I agree that it just accentuates differences. What country my ancestors came from is just not that important these 200 + years later.



ownedgirlie -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 2:29:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aine

quote:

ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

What do you consider to be a "real" American? 


Other than what's been proved by science?  I don't know and I never said I did know.  Yeah, we're current Americans, but I'm calling out semantics on this argument because of the African American argument from earlier.  Who is really an American if you want to get down to the nitty gritty?  Who knows?  It's all opinion, and context of the words and personal definitions.  There is not end-all of what or who an American is.  We choose those definitions for ourselves and choose what offends us because it goes against what we think is right.


I agree, and I don't have an answer, either.  I wasn't asking to be argumentative.  I was curious, based on your comment about real Americans being the ones who were here first, what you meant by that.  Maybe it was sarcasm and I didn't get it (wouldn't be the first time).



Aine -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 2:39:07 PM)

It's understandably odd for those of you that do not live and have not lived in America.  While you may consider it as apointof segregation, and while some may mean it, namely sects of people like the KKK, most of us do NOT  take offense to it.  Isn't that what really matters here?

We're extremely multi-cultural and we're proud of that.  We celebrate our heritages.  I celebrate the fact that I come from Irish lineage.  And Italian lineage.  It's not a way to separate ourselves, it's a way to embrace both things, that we were born in America, but come from different places and we try to share that with others.



popeye1250 -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 5:19:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It was called "Ice Age Columbus:  Who were the first Americans?"

I watched the first hour.  Basically they were saying that there is evidence that people from now middle Europe crossed over into now East coast/Mid Atlantic around 17,000 years ago, making people habiting the Americas about 5,000 years earlier than previously thought (the ones who came from now Asia into now Canada/West coast).




I saw a show similar to that some years ago and they found after taking DNA samples from ancient bones thousands of years old that about 40% of the DNA samples had Celtic/Irish DNA in them.
Seems the Irish really got around!
Listen to some Native/American flute music then listen to some Irish flute music.
Same for the drum/ bodhrein.



Lordandmaster -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 5:23:06 PM)

Thanks.  I see that various white-supremacist websites are making a big deal over this.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It was called "Ice Age Columbus:  Who were the first Americans?"



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 5:50:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Thanks.  I see that various white-supremacist websites are making a big deal over this.


LOL yeah because travelling tribes making it across a land bridge from one end of the country a few thousand years than from the other end make things so much more superior.  Sheesh.



Aine -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 5:54:20 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: popeye1250

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

It was called "Ice Age Columbus:  Who were the first Americans?"

I watched the first hour.  Basically they were saying that there is evidence that people from now middle Europe crossed over into now East coast/Mid Atlantic around 17,000 years ago, making people habiting the Americas about 5,000 years earlier than previously thought (the ones who came from now Asia into now Canada/West coast).




I saw a show similar to that some years ago and they found after taking DNA samples from ancient bones thousands of years old that about 40% of the DNA samples had Celtic/Irish DNA in them.
Seems the Irish really got around!
Listen to some Native/American flute music then listen to some Irish flute music.
Same for the drum/ bodhrein.


Plus there are plenty of people that may confuse current Irish folkrock for current American Country music.  Heck, my boyfriend did.  It's great speculation that that is where country got some of it's roots.



becca333 -> RE: Sick of PC (10/8/2006 8:13:03 PM)

Actually the Americas were first settled by Australians.

It's true, I read an article about it.



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