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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/10/2006 11:59:03 AM

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Microsoft doesn't load Doom, or word on your DNS server by default. And, if you are building a dedicated DNS server, and follow there whitepages, you won't have much of the other things as well.

It loads hooks into the registry at boot time for almost everything you might ever want to run... These exist in memory whether you plan on using the software or not.

Sure, I can do reg hacks and get rid of it, it just irritates me that it does that.

Microsoft's solution to any performance degradation is to buy bigger and better equipment.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/10/2006 5:02:16 PM

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ShadowMster > Bill Gates did nothing for the PC? If that is the case, I'll protest that neithere has anyone else.
> Bill made it easy enough to use, that people who would have never had one 20 years ago now
> do. And because of the much larger market, costs have dropped like a brick.

You are confusing Bill Gates with Gary Kildall, Steve Wazniak, Steve Jobs, makers of PC clones, and
hundreds of other hardware manufacturers and software programmers. It never ceases to amaze me
how gulible people can be. Sun Man-in-the-Moon, Hitler, Stalin, L. Ron Hubbard, and PT Barnum
were right about people easily being fooled and manipulated.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

(You're better than Comedy Central).

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/10/2006 7:59:59 PM

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Unfortunately, he has more re-runs than Comedy Central. Maybe his fall line-up is just late.

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/12/2006 11:56:12 AM

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People think Bill Gates is a smart guy, when it was
mostly his lack of ethics that made him what he is.

This is otherwise known as business acumen.

Its definitely an interesting history, though, the whole triumph of the nerds story.

More than anything, Gates took advantage of IBMs lack of preparedness to market a PC.

IBM could have insisted on buying the software, too.

One little known fact is that Bill Gates wrote a 3-page memo to APPLE suggesting that they lease out their operating system, but the Apple "genuises" ignored his suggestion --- a costly error that almost led Apple over the cliff into obscurity.

Back to your thesis, tho, Gates was just acting like the good Capitalist he proved to be. A good Captalist doesn't want to compete in the marketplace, he wants to control the market.

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/12/2006 8:22:47 PM

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Good is not the word. Dominant and successful and rich are terms that come to mind.

Adept possibly, shrewd of course, many many adjectives come to mind, but not good.

T

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/12/2006 9:00:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Good is not the word. Dominant and successful and rich are terms that come to mind.

Adept possibly, shrewd of course, many many adjectives come to mind, but not good.

T

How dare he be successful. What an evil, evil man...

http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/17/2006 8:21:14 AM

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Yes, all of this is old news: much of the griping had to do with how MS took an operating system designed as a graduate thesis, and turned it into unstable, Byzantine bloatware. Nobody cares anymore since Gates finally wised up stole the Linux Kernal, a much better OS.

The concept of principle over profit went out during Reagan, I believe - too bad, Gates probobly set software development back twenty years.

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/18/2006 4:32:34 PM

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Slick Billy has a Linux kernel ? In what, XP looks like an NT kernel. Is it in Longhorn or Vista or something ?

I finally did get a chance to play with Linux, and I was impressed. It even ran Java to get on IRC. With 98SE I had to do all kinda crap to get it to see my DSL, Linux found it with no sweat, pretty much like XP. It even found my soundcard and seemed to have adequate video drivers. Not just multiple windows, Linux gives multiple desktops.

Pretty slick.

T

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/18/2006 4:46:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Amaros

Yes, all of this is old news: much of the griping had to do with how MS took an operating system designed as a graduate thesis, and turned it into unstable, Byzantine bloatware. Nobody cares anymore since Gates finally wised up stole the Linux Kernal, a much better OS.

Im not sure I would call it "stealing" the Linux kernel.

One can download it for free from almost anywhere.

What he did was acquire something he had no involvement or support of the
sweat of others to develop and is using his business acument to sell it to
all and sundry with no credit or money for the ones who wrote it.

I love open source...

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/18/2006 4:48:27 PM

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Slick Billy has a Linux kernel ? In what, XP looks like an NT kernel. Is it in Longhorn or Vista or something ?

I finally did get a chance to play with Linux, and I was impressed. It even ran Java to get on IRC. With 98SE I had to do all kinda crap to get it to see my DSL, Linux found it with no sweat, pretty much like XP. It even found my soundcard and seemed to have adequate video drivers. Not just multiple windows, Linux gives multiple desktops.

Pretty slick.

T

I put Linux onto a Sun engine, then loaded up (cant remember the name right now) a virtual computer on it.

Installed Windoze XP on the virtual computer.

All this so I could run Carmageddon at work.

There are those who would claim I had way too much free time on my hands.

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RE: Bill Gates did nothing for PCs - 10/19/2006 6:23:28 AM

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People think Bill Gates is a smart guy, when it was
mostly his lack of ethics that made him what he is.

This is otherwise known as business acumen.

Its definitely an interesting history, though, the whole triumph of the nerds story.

More than anything, Gates took advantage of IBMs lack of preparedness to market a PC.

IBM could have insisted on buying the software, too.

One little known fact is that Bill Gates wrote a 3-page memo to APPLE suggesting that they lease out their operating system, but the Apple "genuises" ignored his suggestion --- a costly error that almost led Apple over the cliff into obscurity.

Back to your thesis, tho, Gates was just acting like the good Capitalist he proved to be. A good Captalist doesn't want to compete in the marketplace, he wants to control the market.

IBM was blindsided due to their insistance on quality - they collaborated with Gates to develop OS/2, Gates talked them into releasing a beta version as Windows, and the rest is history.

IBM's customers were, and still are, banks, etc., who cannot afford to invest is shit that's sown half the time - they could not back windows, it would have destroyed their reputation for support and stability.

Window, or rather DOS, was a boon to the third party software development industry, a common OS that was hacker freindly, pretty much anybody with the slightest amount of programming ability could write software for it - I wrote a number of apps myself on Turbo Pascal, some of which I still use.

Once the Windows GUI finally got to the point that actually worked - what's this, ten years later? the underlying OS was so complicated that you had to be MS certified, and recieve the inside gouge to get anything to work more thna half assed, and if MS found out you were porting to other OS's, they cut you out of the loop.

I still have apps on the drawing board, it was just too much effort to get them to get along with the Windows GUI - C++ is a snap compared to MS object libraries, which is like the biggest bag of junk you've ever seen, just a big headache - you had to pay MS so they'd tell you how to sort through all that crap, and that's when they had your ass.

In this way, Gates made sure that competing OS's wouldn't get supporting apps, and retained control of the installed user base - they also killed the third party software development that made them a household name in the process.

Good business? Maybe, he got rich, everybody else got screwed, good for Gates, bad for everybody else, and bad for the industry in general, no matter how you slice it.

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