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quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve "Agitators"...as YOU call them are the ONLY people who ever changed things for the better in this country. Now, I would have to disagree with that. Lots of good folks that look for common ground with others, and work in a law-abiding and peaceful way make this country better all the time. And yes, sometimes the agitators do good too.

stef -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 1:44:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve "Agitators"...as YOU call them are the ONLY people who ever changed things for the better in this country. Nonsense. People help change things for the better all the time without levying unprovable claims and counting on the people's fear and mistrust of the government in lieu of proof. The great agitators in history didn't assume that role to sell their books or DVDs like Jones and Rense are doing. That alone should make you question their motives for their actions at least a little bit. quote: If you want to go around and believe what the mainstream media pukes out on the TV every night and what they call "news" go for it. Not taking what people like Jones and Rense are preaching as gospel has nothing to do with the mainstream media, especially since I watch almost none of it. It has to do with verifying things before I'm willing to believe them. Like I said in my earlier reply to you, it's possible that the technology necessary for the production of those spaceplanes exists, I'm just not going to run around saying that they do exist based solely on the word of a couple of internet shock jocks. It's just not enough. quote: I know that they're lying.You have a MUCH better chance of learning the TRUTH through the internet, because you can get not only a 2nd opinion. You can get a 22nd opinion. So..AGAIN..depends on what YOU call the truth. Opinions of people pushing an agenda are hardly unbiased opinions and hardly "truth." If you want to believe them without any *HARD PROOF, that's your cross to bear, but I'm not quite so quick to convince when a single incident of hearsay is the only "proof" available. quote:* Well...YOU were the one calling me the names after all, instead of actually engaging in critical thinking and constructive criticism. I didn't call you any names in this exchange and parroting back the words of Jones and Rense is not "critical thinking". If you want to engage in any thinking, please feel free to respond to the questions I asked in my previous post. I'll re-state them here for you to make it easier for you to reply: quote: quote: Are you saying there ISN'T highly classified (not revealed to the public) military or intelligence gathering devices weapns, and/or aircraft circling the planet right now? I don't believe I said anything of the sort. What I said was, I would like to see proof of these supposed space planes before I'm willing to believe THEY are circling the planet right now. It appears to be proof that no one can provide. There's many questions by members of the HE physics community as to whether such objects would even survive re-entry and maintain tracking/communication control through the plasma sheath that would surround an object re-entering the atmosphere at that velocity. In addition, the kinetic energy produced by a projectile hitting a mass at that speed would redirect most of the KE back into the projectile, destroying it before it was transferred to the target. Can you provide any information that would contradict the above concerns? and quote: quote: I would say that someone who was formerly in the CIA and accidentally revealed this type of technology in an argument stands a good chance of being accurate. Why? CIA employees are suddenly good sources of classified information if they say something you want to hear? That doesn't set off warning bells for you? Besides, if some CIA drone actually did let slip highly classified information to Charlie Sheen of all people in a green room, that man would be the discionary definition of fucked and Alex and Charlie surely would have perished in "accidents" by now. Isn't that how our current administration handles things? How about it? Let's see some of that critical thinking instead of ignoring the questions. ~stef

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 2:37:16 PM)
Heh heh...I don't need Alex Jones or Jeff rense to KNOW that governemnts throughout history TERRORISE their own people and tend to be CORRUPT. BTW...Jones rcommends that you make copies and distribute his videos for FREE. I wonder if FOX NEWS wouldlet you do that wwith their video transcripts. I think NOT. Bravo for Alex getting the TRUTH out and making a living doing it. Hes a brilliant documentary maker. Also the SAME reasons why governments COLLAPSE. A combination of public apathy/blind trust and wall-to-wall corruption. If YOU can't see that Stef....thats YOUR BLINDFOLD. Accept the consequenses for that.

stef -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 3:32:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Heh heh...I don't need Alex Jones or Jeff rense to KNOW that governemnts throughout history TERRORISE their own people and tend to be CORRUPT. What does this have to do with our conversation? quote: BTW...Jones rcommends that you make copies and distribute his videos for FREE. I wonder if FOX NEWS wouldlet you do that wwith their video transcripts. I think NOT. You have to buy them to copy them, and that's at least partly where his motiviations lie. Fox News has nothing to do with it. quote: Bravo for Alex getting the TRUTH out and making a living doing it. Hes a brilliant documentary maker. Opinions vary. quote: Also the SAME reasons why governments COLLAPSE. A combination of public apathy/blind trust and wall-to-wall corruption. What does this have to do your your inability to address the point I made earlier? quote: If YOU can't see that Stef....thats YOUR BLINDFOLD. Accept the consequenses for that. I'm blindfolded because I don't accept things without some semblance of reason or proof? Don't you think that's just a little bit backwards? So you're not even going to address the concerns I brought up? I guess that's because you have no answer then and you're just taking the coward's way out by repeatedly attempting to change the subject. Based on your previous visit here under your 'Sissyslave71' identity, I can't say that I'm surprised but I had hoped you had found even the tiniest shred of integrity but it instead appears that you're completely unable to think your yourself and have to rely on people like Jones and Rense to tell you what to think. That's incredibly disappointing. Come on Dani, prove me wrong and address the issues I brought up. What are you afraid of? ~stef

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 3:57:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef So you're not even going to address the concerns I brought up? I guess that's because you have no answer then and you're just taking the coward's way out by repeatedly attempting to change the subject. Based on your previous visit here under your 'Sissyslave71' identity, I can't say that I'm surprised but I had hoped you had found even the tiniest shred of integrity but it instead appears that you're completely unable to think your yourself and have to rely on people like Jones and Rense to tell you what to think. That's incredibly disappointing. Come on Dani, prove me wrong and address the issues I brought up. What are you afraid of? ~stef Oh here we go..the Strawman argument. I have Nothing to prove to you but to expose your abusive attitude towards me past and present. As well as others who have come and gone here at collar me.

stef -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 4:34:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Oh here we go..the Strawman argument. Have someone explain to you what a strawman argument is before wrongly accusing someone of using one. Asking you to provide proof is hardly a strawman argument. quote: I have Nothing to prove to you but to expose your abusive attitude towards me past and present. The only thing you're exposing is that you can't defend "your" position. How about it Dani? Here are those questions, one more time: quote: quote: Are you saying there ISN'T highly classified (not revealed to the public) military or intelligence gathering devices weapns, and/or aircraft circling the planet right now? I don't believe I said anything of the sort. What I said was, I would like to see proof of these supposed space planes before I'm willing to believe THEY are circling the planet right now. It appears to be proof that no one can provide. There's many questions by members of the HE physics community as to whether such objects would even survive re-entry and maintain tracking/communication control through the plasma sheath that would surround an object re-entering the atmosphere at that velocity. In addition, the kinetic energy produced by a projectile hitting a mass at that speed would redirect most of the KE back into the projectile, destroying it before it was transferred to the target. Can you provide any information that would contradict the above concerns? and quote: quote: I would say that someone who was formerly in the CIA and accidentally revealed this type of technology in an argument stands a good chance of being accurate. Why? CIA employees are suddenly good sources of classified information if they say something you want to hear? That doesn't set off warning bells for you? Besides, if some CIA drone actually did let slip highly classified information to Charlie Sheen of all people in a green room, that man would be the discionary definition of fucked and Alex and Charlie surely would have perished in "accidents" by now. Isn't that how our current administration handles things? Come on Dani, give it a try instead of whipping out the victim card for a change. ~stef

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 4:46:02 PM)
There is no proof ON PAPER. That DOESN'T mean that they don't exist. Unless you BELIEVE every thing the government tells you. Does that make you happy? ME, I, MYSELF....believe that it is VERY possible that the technology exists and even MORE we aren't told. I will go as far as to say we have been sold so many lies over the past 100+ years it is VERY difficult to know the real truth. One thing IS certain...they don't care about us..and they NEVER did. Distrusting the government is the most humanistic thing you can do. We owe it to our anscestorsand to future generations.

stef -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 6:40:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve There is no proof ON PAPER. That DOESN'T mean that they don't exist. Unless you BELIEVE every thing the government tells you. Does that make you happy? It's certainly a step in the right direction. While the lack of evidence doesn't conclusively prove the lack of such a platform, it *certainly* doesn't mean that it exists. Aside from that one instance mentioned on the webcast, have you seen/heard any thing else that would possibly corroborate the existance of such a platform? quote: ME, I, MYSELF....believe that it is VERY possible that the technology exists and even MORE we aren't told. I've already said that I think the technology could be there but the science on the weapon side seems to have some glaring problems that I haven't seen solved. That's why I was asking if you knew of any other hard data. I have no doubt there are other things in the works that we know nothing about, and I don't necessarily have a problem with that. Secrecy does have it's place. quote: I will go as far as to say we have been sold so many lies over the past 100+ years it is VERY difficult to know the real truth. True enough, but I was never questioning that. quote: One thing IS certain...they don't care about us..and they NEVER did. I don't think that's true at all. Of course there are people in the government whose reasons for being there are less than humanitarian, but I don't think it's necessarily a systemic issue. quote: Distrusting the government is the most humanistic thing you can do. We owe it to our anscestorsand to future generations. Maintaining a *healthy* skepticism is always a good idea but I don't think completely discarding everything they say is any better than believing everything they say. Both extremes are frought with peril. That's why I like to do my own research and not take what is handed to me on a platter by *any* group with an agenda to pursue and why I was asking for proof. ~stef

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 6:43:37 PM)
Fair enough. DARPA and Skunk works are pumping out some insane stuff...but i don't know if they would be behind it. It seems like it would be a much higher level.... super secret government Black ops type of project. Can't say i share your optimism about governments though. At the LOWER levels...fine....but NOT at the TOP of the Pyramid.

Sinergy -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 7:06:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Yeah...and in the 1960s they said that the SR-71 didn't exist either. . Hello A/all, Interesting article in popular science last month about a bunch of unexplained sonic booms which were detected on various scientific sites. While the US government states they are not developing a new technology, the sonic boom signatures prove it was some form of plane going about Mach 6 at 80,000 feet. They also seem to indicate the technology is, if I remember correctly, scramjet engine technology since they are a series of repetitive booms. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy

WyrdRich -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 7:19:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sinergy quote: ORIGINAL: sissifytoserve Yeah...and in the 1960s they said that the SR-71 didn't exist either. . Hello A/all, Interesting article in popular science last month about a bunch of unexplained sonic booms which were detected on various scientific sites. While the US government states they are not developing a new technology, the sonic boom signatures prove it was some form of plane going about Mach 6 at 80,000 feet. They also seem to indicate the technology is, if I remember correctly, scramjet engine technology since they are a series of repetitive booms. Just me, could be wrong, but there you go. Sinergy More likely a pulse detonation engine if we are talking about mach 6. Check out "Aviation Week and Space Technology" from the early 90's for this one. At that time, it was known as Project Aurora. Leaves the strangest looking contrail you've ever seen.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 8:43:49 PM)
quote: Somone should probably start inventing that technology and the robotic space planes so we'll have them to use in this scenario. Heh.... Your level of cynicism tells that you MUST understand how I feel with regard to a battery-powered laptop and the mythical cave that supposedly exits in the border region of Pakistan / Afghanistan. Actually.... I find ''meteor'' bombs and robotic space planes much more plausible than the mythical cave scenario. - R

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 8:46:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: Somone should probably start inventing that technology and the robotic space planes so we'll have them to use in this scenario. Heh.... Your level of cynicism tells that you MUST understand how I feel with regard to a battery-powered laptop and the mythical cave that supposedly exits in the border region of Pakistan / Afghanistan. Actually.... I find ''meteor'' bombs and robotic space planes much more plausible than the mythical cave scenario. - R Cut to the scene with USAma Bin Laden running around the cold afganistan hills with a kidney dialysis machine still attached to him...dodging the bombs Ol' Bushie said he was going to "smoke em out" with. You really have to wonder what kind of mindless Hollywood washout writer makes this stuff up for the GOV.

UtopianRanger -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 9:08:16 PM)
quote: You really have to wonder what kind of mindless Hollywood washout writer makes this stuff up for the GOV. Four scrawny-ass Abdullahs armed with ''box cutters'', each weighing between a buck forty and a buck seventy, taking over a plane filled with mostly Americans, is one thing.....but a six foot six dude wearing pajamas and long beard, masterminding terrorist plots all over the world with a battery-powered laptop from a mythical cave, is entirely a different ball game. - R

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 9:12:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger quote: You really have to wonder what kind of mindless Hollywood washout writer makes this stuff up for the GOV. Four scrawny Abdullahs armed with ''box cutters'', each weighing between a buck forty and a buck seventy, taking over a plane filled with mostly Americans, is one thing.....but a six foot six dude wearing pajamas and long beard, masterminding terrorist plots all over the world with a battery-powered laptop from a mythical cave, is entirely a different ball game. - R [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

juliaoceania -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/8/2006 9:24:56 PM)
I feel as though the constitution has been abrogated ruthlessly. I was as upset as they are that our government tossed habeas corpus aside like so much trash. I worry about a police state. I do think they cross a line when they talk about illuminati when they cannot prove it, and interview people like David Icke, and little green men.. it hurts their credibility when they actually talk about important viable things That is just my opinion

Chaingang -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/9/2006 12:45:05 AM)
A lot of things that later turn out to be true seem lunatic and fringe at first. The problem I see identified in this thread is the leap from what is merely speculative to what seems like an asserted conclusion - and that's the crux of the conflict between Stef and Sissy. Myself, I like speculation. Risk planning is always based on "what if" scenarios. And it's a fact that the government conceals information from us, a fact that is readily admitted by the existence of things like the NSA and the CIA. As a consequence, speculative viewpoints abound to fill the resulting vacuum of information created by government secrecy. I don't believe the government has legitimate reasons for secrecy on any subject and I think it hampers the workings of the republic.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/9/2006 7:52:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chaingang A lot of things that later turn out to be true seem lunatic and fringe at first. The problem I see identified in this thread is the leap from what is merely speculative to what seems like an asserted conclusion - and that's the crux of the conflict between Stef and Sissy. Myself, I like speculation. Risk planning is always based on "what if" scenarios. And it's a fact that the government conceals information from us, a fact that is readily admitted by the existence of things like the NSA and the CIA. As a consequence, speculative viewpoints abound to fill the resulting vacuum of information created by government secrecy. I don't believe the government has legitimate reasons for secrecy on any subject and I think it hampers the workings of the republic. Very astute Chaingang.... Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. Some people think speculation is bad. Another thing is sometimes when you show someone else an unconventional truth...you are shining the light in their face...painful and unwanted, hence...many times you will get attacked. I see this happen on the boards a lot actually. The reason why the government and these powerbrokers are so secretive is quite frankly they are afraid of us. Why are they called "the hiddden elite". Thats why they have allof these secretive meetings wwhere the press aren't allowed. Information DOES get leaked, however by insiders. But they are scared. Because if the majority of the American people knew what they were up to...they'd be calling for their heads in a guillotine. Or worse.

juliaoceania -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/9/2006 8:05:53 AM)
quote: Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. Some people think speculation is bad. Another thing is sometimes when you show someone else an unconventional truth...you are shining the light in their face...painful and unwanted, hence...many times you will get attacked. I see this happen on the boards a lot actually. The reason why the government and these powerbrokers are so secretive is quite frankly they are afraid of us. Why are they called "the hiddden elite". Thats why they have allof these secretive meetings wwhere the press aren't allowed. Information DOES get leaked, however by insiders. But they are scared. Because if the majority of the American people knew what they were up to...they'd be calling for their heads in a guillotine. Or worse. When I wanted to show people truth, I never showed them Alex Jones, I showed them the sources Alex Jones used. If his sources do not hold up, he does not hold up. I am one of these open minded individuals that can listen to alternative information sources and dismiss the way out there stuff to attempt to discern more relevant information... but when you use these sorts of sources exclusively you tend to get trashed and make people more resistant to your information. Some of this information is hard to swallow using more credible sources, why make that bitter pill easy to reject by presenting it in a way that people have an easy time rejecting it? I have not weighed in on your threads sissy, because for one I know where you get your information and have been able to gleen a gem here and there from the same sources... but if you are going to share this type of information, be sure to back yourself. Of course you are going to be attacked and easily dismissed when you present information from people who claim our leaders worship weird owl gods at bohemian grove (Alex Jones) or people who do shows with David Icke (Rense). I am not flaming you at all, I am just stating what happens in a debate when you use these sources.

sissifytoserve -> RE: Alex jones/jeff rense interview (10/9/2006 8:27:26 AM)
You don't have to believe it. AllI ask I people show me the same courtesy I show them when commenting on their articles presented. I'm all for healthy skeptical debate. But whenpeople start calling me a "kook"or "Tin foil hat" cospiracy theorist....makes me wonder why I even bring these articles to the forum in the first place. God knows we have anough artricles posted here on the far right wing side. How about a little blance?

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