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Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 1:55:32 PM   
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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 2:01:31 PM   
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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 2:10:32 PM   
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I didn't put this in humor as I felt it was a good lean in to the discussion of how we see "handicapped".

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 2:17:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Handicapped is an unsuitable word IMO - it just seems to conjure up this image of someone who cant do anything for themselves.

I prefer "hindered", which to me implies that one is capable, but finds some things more difficult.

Like me today - the arthritis in my hip has given me a very unfetching limp. To describe me as handicapped from it, means to me that I cant walk at all. Hindered means I can walk, albeit with said unfetching gait.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 2:21:03 PM   
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I am more interested in why the usage of the word handicapped is there...
Really looking forward to your response - and whether its a cultural thing or a personal one.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 2:28:31 PM   
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Handicapped is an unsuitable word IMO - it just seems to conjure up this image of someone who cant do anything for themselves.

I prefer "hindered", which to me implies that one is capable, but finds some things more difficult.

Like me today - the arthritis in my hip has given me a very unfetching limp. To describe me as handicapped from it, means to me that I cant walk at all. Hindered means I can walk, albeit with said unfetching gait.

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Oh pick-pick PICK!  Just using a general term.  Insert what you wish. This gentleman had a birth defect of the hips. and what he accomplished amazed me. 
 
People see a cane or a crutch and right away they see a "disability or handicap" of some sort.  It takes a lot to adjust to these  external appliances..and sometimes you get to play with them also. 
 
It's all about ones perspective.  I use a cane and a power chair at times. I cope with the power chair by crossing my  legs as if I'm in a recliner at home.  It gives a more "acceptable" appearance FOR ME. 
 
We handicap ourselves in our minds more than our bodies do at times. 

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 2:44:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh Lotus! I like to pick - did you think about that? LOL!

I take a folding stick with me everywhere - it seems to be some sort of magic charm, as so far as long as I have had it with me, I've never needed it - though with my handicap/disability/hindrance/whatever being unpredictable in when it will strike, I'm sure to need it at some point.

In the meantime, it can be a useful prop though! Do you know how many cigarettes you can smuggle inside one!?
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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:03:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		What term should we use?  Disabled?  Other-wise-abled?  Challenged?  Remember when the word was crippled?  invalid?  I never liked those words.  I worked for years in an environment that served the disabled.  This was in the 80's and 90's, I don't know what the pc term is today.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:09:37 PM   
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As the mother of a son who's endured a multitude of labels...one of which used to be 'multi-handicapped', I can tell you the PC word of late is 'challenged'.
 
I'll never forget the dressing down I got by some jerk of a brand-new theripist for using the 'H' word, as he called it.  <sigh>

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:11:20 PM   
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First let me say, I hate PC - because it never wants to use a description which is straightforward. For instance, vertically challenged is simply a daft way of saying short, surely, and doesnt at all remove the possibility to use the term in a derogatory way. In fact, the use of PC terms where I live is now fairly normal in insult - ie, "the tonally challenged gentleman" rather than "that nxxxxer", and seems to add to the effectiveness of it. Thus the whole PC thing has fallen on its face IMO - it hasnt prevented offence, its merely replaced one term with another.

But when it comes to using a more apt word for something - this isnt PC. I just think that handicapped, and the even worse disabled, are not apt words.

Edited after reading Bearlee's post - "challenged" ; now that is a useless PC term. It doesnt do the job of describing the person, and it can be and is regularly used to cause offence, regardless of the intent in deriving it.

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< Message edited by LadyEllen -- 10/10/2006 3:13:30 PM >

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:16:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm PC-challenged.. forgive me.

and if you did notice.. I put the world "Handicapped" in parenthesis right after REDEFINING..
 
We call the 'normal' people  TABs.  It means..Temporarily Able Bodied.  We all become encumbered along the way-  either mentally, spiritually, physically or all of the above. 
 
Its  really aggravating to be wheeling through a mall and having to have your face at ass-height and a gaggle of asses are strolling in front of you thinking that if they pretend you are not there trying to get by, is being polite.  There are times I wish I had one of those canned pushbutton Air Horns to wake them up.  But I wait for an opening and put my chair in high gear and buzz past them.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:16:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, disabled certainly isn't perfect.  I can remember pulling files in order to find out what "disability" a client had (it wasn't always evident, especially in the emotional/mental realm, not to mention the education realm, where a student can have specific learning disabilities).

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:25:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I'm PC-challenged.. forgive me.


I cant, I'm forgiveness impaired.....

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:26:33 PM   
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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:33:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I like the word "impaired" too.  I've heard it most often used with visually-impaired and hearing-impaired.  It's much better than challenged.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:33:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have been doing ADA evaluations for years.   For anyone interested the website is http://www.access-board.gov/ for the access board.

With the exception of some mental disabilities, I believe that just about anyone can do just about anything.  In one study I read, the average cost for ADA accomodiations was minimal for a company.   Like me,   My left shoulder dislocates on a regular basis.   Didn't stop me from being in the Army.  Just looks funny from time to time.

I also find it interesting how people with physical challenges seem to work things out.


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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:34:09 PM   
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Well, I wasnt picking, I am genuinely interested which is why I asked Lotus.
In the UK - handicapped isn't an acceptable word by those who are labelled it... so I wanted to know if it was a cultural difference or not.  People classed as having a disability respond negatively to the use of the phrase handicapped, which is why I was struck by Lotus using it, and usually respond positively to the word disabled - not because they cannot do a specific thing, but that they are unable to due to the restraints that surround them, not themselves - which even includes my daughter and son with certain aspects of their life. Again I am interested in the cultural exchange/difference.
 
 
Its not really about whats pc... its how someone who is 'impaired' on some level likes to be addressed and finds acceptable.  I know many 'special needs' parents who loathe that word, yet its commonly 'pc',
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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 3:48:51 PM   
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Seriously.  What's wrong with mentally retarded?  It means the person is behind, literally, which is true.

Granted, it has become an insult, but any word will be used as an insult once it is ingrained in the minds of the people who want to use it.

If we can't say "n*****," we say "n****."  When that goes out we say "b****," then "c*******," and finally "a****** a*******."  I hear that one's borderline too, mostly because it's too short. 

How about we find a word, everyone agrees that it means something (Like handicapped) and if someone wants to call my kid handicapped, I punch his fucking lights out?

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 4:03:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mentally retarded is an insufficient term then Benji.

I was in the top class at high school in every subject - except maths.

Does this mean that everyone in the classes below me was mentally retarded? They were behind after all. Does it mean that I, in the top class for everything else, was retarded because I was behind in maths?

One also has to consider that many of those considered formerly as mentally retarded, are not uniformly behind their peers either.

Personally, I think anyone who uses words like retard in insult, are mentally retarded - the description fits them perfectly. Smashing their lights out might be an option, however IMO they dont have much light to smash out in the first place.

I await your predictably smartass response - you can be amusing Benji, but some things are not suitable for humour?

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 4:30:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

How about retarded? 

Seriously.  What's wrong with mentally retarded?  It means the person is behind, literally, which is true.



therrrrrrrrrrrre ya go Benji: 

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