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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 4:52:49 PM

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Mentally retarded is an insufficient term then Benji.

I was in the top class at high school in every subject - except maths.

Does this mean that everyone in the classes below me was mentally retarded? They were behind after all. Does it mean that I, in the top class for everything else, was retarded because I was behind in maths?

One also has to consider that many of those considered formerly as mentally retarded, are not uniformly behind their peers either.

Personally, I think anyone who uses words like retard in insult, are mentally retarded - the description fits them perfectly. Smashing their lights out might be an option, however IMO they dont have much light to smash out in the first place.

I await your predictably smartass response - you can be amusing Benji, but some things are not suitable for humour?

Don't make me go on my diatribe about humour always being appropriate, otherwise we create taboos. Believe me, I can go on and on on that topic.

Now, as with any term (differently abled, disabled, hindered, handicapped, not as abled as the other guys) there has to be a "norm." If I were the last human on earth, I would be neither smart nor stupid, tall nor short, fat nor skinny, nothing. Almost every measure of human ability is relative to other humans.

As to the "Not uniformly behind" thing, of course they're not! However, in many critical areas they are behind, and therefore, the term is used.

I don't think anyone would object to comments like "He has the mind of a 5 year old" (Okay, of course someone would! Otherwise, PC would have stagnated at "disabled") or, to coin a new phrase, "behind." (Which really means the same thing: the mind of someone a few years behind him in age) So why is another term so offensive, beyond its use in insulting ways?

And as to my smartass retort, I think it's you who started with punching out nonexistant lights.

Yours,

benji the retarded Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 5:20:41 PM

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The Veterans Administration calls us "Disabled Veterans".
I don't have a problem with that.
And there's all kinds of degrees of disability as well.
I've seen guys who could walk around very well who were rated at 100% disabled for whatever reason.
Then I've seen guys missing an arm who were rated at 60%.
And then there's the guys who were horribly injured or burned who can still do things so it's all relative I guess.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 5:56:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

How about retarded?

Seriously. What's wrong with mentally retarded? It means the person is behind, literally, which is true.

Granted, it has become an insult, but any word will be used as an insult once it is ingrained in the minds of the people who want to use it.

If we can't say "n*****," we say "n****." When that goes out we say "b****," then "c*******," and finally "a****** a*******." I hear that one's borderline too, mostly because it's too short.

How about we find a word, everyone agrees that it means something (Like handicapped) and if someone wants to call my kid handicapped, I punch his fucking lights out?

Yours,

benji

Allow for the following little gripe, I have a thorn in my arse of late.

Why do these analogies always fall back on people of my ethnic make-up? especially when the n word was placed upon the people for vastly different reason's than the word retarded was put into place. But, by all means, all those that wish to use those terms should do so whenever the mood strikes. It really helps one put things into perspective and not loose sight of how people really think.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 6:07:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: RosaB

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

How about retarded?

Seriously. What's wrong with mentally retarded? It means the person is behind, literally, which is true.

Granted, it has become an insult, but any word will be used as an insult once it is ingrained in the minds of the people who want to use it.

If we can't say "n*****," we say "n****." When that goes out we say "b****," then "c*******," and finally "a****** a*******." I hear that one's borderline too, mostly because it's too short.

How about we find a word, everyone agrees that it means something (Like handicapped) and if someone wants to call my kid handicapped, I punch his fucking lights out?

Yours,

benji

Allow for the following little gripe, I have a thorn in my arse of late.

Why do these analogies always fall back on people of my ethnic make-up? especially when the n word was placed upon the people for vastly different reason's than the word retarded was put into place. But, by all means, all those that wish to use those terms should do so whenever the mood strikes. It really helps one put things into perspective and not loose sight of how people really think.

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Fly down to Florida, I bet RosaB would tie you down to the bed and BEAT YOUR ASS!
Right Rosa? lol

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 6:07:56 PM

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I can see where you're coming from, but my point could be made with fat people (Fat, obese, large, bbw, laterally challenged) or dwarves (midgets, short people, little people) and so on and so forth.

However, as with many things in language, which is in line with my other point, most people are familiar with the evolution of the terms for the "people of colour's" race. So, just as I feel retards are best called retards (From the French late) common experience of my readership makes me work with the example everyone is most likely to grasp.

Oh, how it must feel to have a language where no one gets mad at others for communicating.

Yours,

benji

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 6:11:14 PM

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Now look at what he said!
Rosa! You gonna put up with that?
Beat his ass!!!

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 6:20:07 PM

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Yeah, I got that roundabout hit. LOL. Its all good, my arse even feels a little better now that I got that grip off my chest. But ya know, Popeye, you are quite the instigator aren't you, you devil

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 6:28:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

The Veterans Administration calls us "Disabled Veterans".
I don't have a problem with that.
And there's all kinds of degrees of disability as well.
I've seen guys who could walk around very well who were rated at 100% disabled for whatever reason.
Then I've seen guys missing an arm who were rated at 60%.
And then there's the guys who were horribly injured or burned who can still do things so it's all relative I guess.

Now in my case, I do see my self with a handicap. I am able however to work around it. Therefore, being termed DISbabled would not be accurate in my case. But do I take offense to what anyone calls it? No. Because people are using what they identify with from their perspective.

Anyhow.. I was impressed with what the guy could do with the modified crutches.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 6:47:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: RosaB

Allow for the following little gripe, I have a thorn in my arse of late.

Why do these analogies always fall back on people of my ethnic make-up?

I think it's because the N word was the first word that was able to be effectively "eradicated" from the English language and made to be super-taboo. So, it is used as an ultimate example of a "bad word"

Cracker and Honky are still used because I guess we need to keep being punished for something that was part of a history of the white race (or Europeans as we are now being called). how much longer.. I dunno. I figure if I don't give it "energy"..it'll fade away. I know where the term Cracker came from.. but Honky??? That's just too weird to be upset about :)

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especially when the n word was placed upon the people for vastly different reason's than the word retarded was put into place. But, by all means, all those that wish to use those terms should do so whenever the mood strikes. It really helps one put things into perspective and not loose sight of how people really think.

We live in a world where we bleep out words like shit and fuck.. yet have no problem with screaming out bitch and whore. (Ds excepted) It seems most anything relating to derogatory female references or our reproductive system is OK. But bodily functions aren't. I'm glad. I wouldn't want my turd to get offended.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 6:59:47 PM

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This thread reminded me of a bumper sticker I saw once:

"Your words, attitudes, and actions impact my life more than my disability."

(from the www.disabilityisnatural.com website)

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 7:26:22 PM

LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

This thread reminded me of a bumper sticker I saw once:

"Your words, attitudes, and actions impact my life more than my disability."

(from the www.disabilityisnatural.com website)

Very good!

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/10/2006 8:48:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

...common experience of my readership makes me work with the example everyone is most likely to grasp.

Oh, how it must feel to have a language where no one gets mad at others for communicating.

B I N G O , benji!!!

All those years ago, when I used the 'H' word (it was nearly 20 years ago), it was still a very popular, understood word which communicated (then) very well what we were discussing there in that theripist's office.

Today? Hey, I'm 58 years old; 'handicapped' works for me; but I have better maners than to use the 'n' word or even to call another 'retard'. <sigh> Maybe it's an age thing...or perhaps a communication thing. Maybe it's all in the delivery?

beverly

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 8:57:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

I think it's because the N word was the first word that was able to be effectively "eradicated" from the English language and made to be super-taboo. So, it is used as an ultimate example of a "bad word"

Thanks LotusSong, that is just about one of the best ways I've ever heard it explained, really gives me a new way of seeing the usesage..

Rosa

And as far as Topic, I too struggle with impairments that I've learned to work around, but have caused me to give up running a company that gave me such joy in running and I'm not quite sure what the most appropriate label for some of us inidividual should be at this point.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 9:04:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: RosaB
And as far as Topic, I too struggle with impairments that I've learned to work around, but have caused me to give up running a company that gave me such joy in running and I'm not quite sure what the most appropriate label for some of us inidividual should be at this point.

Ron's Slave? Just a suggestion, love........don't shoot the lustfull.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 12:34:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: RosaB
And as far as Topic, I too struggle with impairments that I've learned to work around, but have caused me to give up running a company that gave me such joy in running and I'm not quite sure what the most appropriate label for some of us inidividual should be at this point.

Ron's Slave? Just a suggestion, love........don't shoot the lustfull.

Ron

You evil twisted delusional man that I adore.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 12:45:52 PM

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Almost every measure of human ability is relative to other humans.

Hello A/all,

Judge Smails (Ted Knight) "Tie, how do you measure yourself with other golfers?

Tie Webb (Chevy Chase) "By height."

Kinda says it all, really.

Sinergy

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 1:13:21 PM

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You evil twisted delusional man that I adore.

Watch out! I gave him my "spanking technique". He's locked, loaded and itching to try it!

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 2:06:40 PM

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Disabled works for me, it's descriptive - I remember when that became "differently abled" - I'm all for human dignity, no mater what your circumstances might be, but it gots a little ridiculous sometimes.

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 2:54:39 PM

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You evil twisted delusional man that I adore.

Watch out! I gave him my "spanking technique". He's locked, loaded and itching to try it!

Well, I hope that technique works for monkeys, cause that's all that will get spanked in my presences. LOL Unless.............

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RE: Redefining "Handicapped" - 10/11/2006 3:38:44 PM

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Well, I hope that technique works for monkeys, cause that's all that will get spanked in my presences. LOL Unless.............

No doubt he has experience in "spanking the monkey" :) LOL

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